Anyone familiar with food allergies causing anger?
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Food does not cause rage.
At most, a sugary food would cause slight irritability due to sugar spike and drop.
Serotonin is a neurochemical. It is not produced in the stomach. It's produced and released in the brain.
I think your husband needs to see a therapist, because since you've said he gets so angry he wants to punch a wall, that is dangerous behavior. What if the target becomes you?
WRONG on so many levels.
To say nutrition (aka FOOD) does not affect the body is completely ridiculous. (The brain IS PART OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, though I do understand that health "professionals" seem to resist recognizing that fact.) For example, I supposedly had Binge Eating Disorder, severe bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, chronic anxiety, PTSD etc. However, when I stopped eating a grain/sugar based diet these health problems vanished (PTSD and anxiety did not completely vanish, but are now totally manageable), and very quickly. I spent years in therapy and was prescribed meds at times for these issues and nothing ever worked. Why? Because I was malnourished. The brain does very strange things when it is nutrient deficient. Considering our modern diet and that most of us are malnourished starting from before birth, I don't wonder at all why humans are having so many issues with brain health.
If you don't agree that food can affect the body (including the brain) why are you in the Paleo forum? Because the vast majority here are living proof that what we eat does affect us on a physical level (which includes the brain!).0 -
WRONG on so many levels.
To say nutrition (aka FOOD) does not affect the body is completely ridiculous. (The brain IS PART OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, though I do understand that health "professionals" seem to resist recognizing that fact.) For example, I supposedly had Binge Eating Disorder, severe bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, chronic anxiety, PTSD etc. However, when I stopped eating a grain/sugar based diet these health problems vanished (PTSD and anxiety did not completely vanish, but are now totally manageable), and very quickly. I spent years in therapy and was prescribed meds at times for these issues and nothing ever worked. Why? Because I was malnourished. The brain does very strange things when it is nutrient deficient. Considering our modern diet and that most of us are malnourished starting from before birth, I don't wonder at all why humans are having so many issues with brain health.
If you don't agree that food can affect the body (including the brain) why are you in the Paleo forum? Because the vast majority here are living proof that what we eat does affect us on a physical level (which includes the brain!).
I'm part of this group to get a bird's eye view of the lifestyle. I'm also part of a vegan group, mainly to get some recipes to incorporate more vegetables into my diet.
But according to yourself, my differing opinion automatically should have me ejected?
I do apologize for an earlier piece of misinformation though. I recognize that yes, serotonin is produced in both the brain and the GI tract (I was mistakenly confusing it with Oxytocin, my bad). I'm not above correcting any misinformation on my part.
For your personal post, I did not say that food didn't affect the physical body. It's pretty common sense that not eating nutrient dense foods would be unhealthy for a person in the long run. I merely said food does not cause rage. Rage is a rather extreme emotion, rather than just irritability (which I've seen can appear after a drop in sugar levels and such). And what is pizza, really? Cheese, bread, vegetables, meat, and oil.
I guess I don't see how your previous diet which included grains and sugars caused you to have malnutrition. Without some sort of medical condition that prevents efficient storage of nutrients (or gluten intolerance), the only way I see someone being malnourished is by eating a diet low in nutrient density. How are we malnourished from birth? Breast milk or formula would take care of any nutrients a baby needs.
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When it comes to gluten (not saying it is, just using it as an example, because it's the most documented), even the quickest notice of symptom relief is generally at least 24 hours ( http://trulyglutenfree.co.uk/2011/03/09/how-long-to-get-gluten-out-of-the-body/ ), often with more following for days, weeks, and even months, depending on the nature of the symptoms. There's not only precedent, but 3 days isn't out of the realm of possibility. Also, the physiological state of stress slows and stops digestion, meaning it can take longer for a given foreign substance to enter the rest of the body. Reduced stomach acid and bile also means food takes longer to digest and isn't necessarily entirely digested. Given that my husband had his gallbladder removed several years ago, suffice it to say, he doesn't produce sufficient bile.
Also, the idea that what you ingest has no bearing on the rest of your body is ludicrous. If that were the case, oral medication would not exist, at all (because it wouldn't work). Nor would a ketogenic diet basically remove the chance of seizures in epileptics. And again, there are numerous neurological problems that have been linked to food intolerances ( http://www.glutenfreesociety.org/gluten-free-society-blog/gluten-in-the-diet-triggers-many-neurological-problems/ ). Precedent.
Hmm, I checked out those links, and they were both pretty much geared towards people who were either gluten-sensitive or gluten intolerant. Not that gluten itself was evil. It is educating me more on what types of side effects occur in these individuals, so I thank you for the link. And I also apologize, as I said in the previous post, I was confusing two neurochemicals; serotonin is indeed produced in both the brain and the GI tract.
But unless I missed it on the websites I didn't see any peer-reviewed study to back up the claim that gluten took that long to be removed from the body, or that gluten had any negative bearing on individuals who were not already gluten-sensitive or gluten intolerant to being with. So I'm taking some of this information with a grain of salt.
So I guess in the long run, a food allergy test would be the best option to find out what food type, if any, your husband and son may be allergic to.
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As for PIZZA TIME I recommend Against The Grain pizzas, which you can usually find in Whole Foods or preferably (cheaper) at Vitamin Cottage/Natural Grocers, and some supermarkets have them. These are completely gluten free but with none of the usual GF gross stuff - just eggs, cheese and tapioca flour, spices. I don't eat them often because they are very heavy but when I want pizza they are SUPER DELISH without me having to eat bread at all. Against the Grain also makes some decent rolls and bagels also for those times when you just really want some bread.
That actually sounds like the recipe we generally use when we make our own pizza crust (the recipe we use is in the first response here - http://paleohacks.com/questions/102842/chebe-pizza-crust.html ). I found it takes some getting used to the flavor/texture, as well as how to cook it so it turns out right, but otherwise, it's pretty good.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS RECIPE! I don't usually type in caps but I am super excited!
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I guess I should also respond to the original post...because I did skim through and read/follow the responses. I think that the poster is correct that food can influence moods/personality. In my opinion, it could be either a lack of nutrients, food sensitivities/allergies, or food choices contributing to something else... like a thyroid imbalance. It could be one of a million things, so if I were you, I would just replace the less healthy ingredients and have homemade yummy pizza all the time! I would also take a high-quality multi-vitamin and/or supplement any individual nutrients the doctor suggests. I have been feeling less than focused/alert lately, but I'm finally feeling a little better since I started a quality multi-vitamin. It might be a placebo effect, but either way it's working for the time being to improve my mood/energy.0 -
WRONG on so many levels.
To say nutrition (aka FOOD) does not affect the body is completely ridiculous. (The brain IS PART OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, though I do understand that health "professionals" seem to resist recognizing that fact.) For example, I supposedly had Binge Eating Disorder, severe bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, chronic anxiety, PTSD etc. However, when I stopped eating a grain/sugar based diet these health problems vanished (PTSD and anxiety did not completely vanish, but are now totally manageable), and very quickly. I spent years in therapy and was prescribed meds at times for these issues and nothing ever worked. Why? Because I was malnourished. The brain does very strange things when it is nutrient deficient. Considering our modern diet and that most of us are malnourished starting from before birth, I don't wonder at all why humans are having so many issues with brain health.
If you don't agree that food can affect the body (including the brain) why are you in the Paleo forum? Because the vast majority here are living proof that what we eat does affect us on a physical level (which includes the brain!).
I'm part of this group to get a bird's eye view of the lifestyle. I'm also part of a vegan group, mainly to get some recipes to incorporate more vegetables into my diet.
But according to yourself, my differing opinion automatically should have me ejected?
I do apologize for an earlier piece of misinformation though. I recognize that yes, serotonin is produced in both the brain and the GI tract (I was mistakenly confusing it with Oxytocin, my bad). I'm not above correcting any misinformation on my part.
For your personal post, I did not say that food didn't affect the physical body. It's pretty common sense that not eating nutrient dense foods would be unhealthy for a person in the long run. I merely said food does not cause rage. Rage is a rather extreme emotion, rather than just irritability (which I've seen can appear after a drop in sugar levels and such). And what is pizza, really? Cheese, bread, vegetables, meat, and oil.
I guess I don't see how your previous diet which included grains and sugars caused you to have malnutrition. Without some sort of medical condition that prevents efficient storage of nutrients (or gluten intolerance), the only way I see someone being malnourished is by eating a diet low in nutrient density. How are we malnourished from birth? Breast milk or formula would take care of any nutrients a baby needs.
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No, I'm not saying you necessarily should be ejected. But your views are not inline with Paleo views, and this is a Paleo forum. I expect to encounter extreme opposition to Paleo views in the General forums, but not here.
Asserting that a grain/sugar based diet could not cause malnutrition... is ignorant. Grains (especially the processed products that dominate the current diet) inhibit absorption of many nutrients in the intestinal tract. Add that to a an almost entirely processed food diet that most Americans and Canadians consume.... can lead to malnutrition. The fact that the majority of people are sick and fat supports my view. Malnutrition does not mean a shortage of calories, it means inadequate intake of necessary nutrients.
Exactly, the SAD diet IS low in nutrient density! Eureka!
(Suggestion: accept a person's personal experience as "real" instead of trying to debunk it because YOU don't believe it's possible.)
You do know that composition of breast milk relies on the health of the mother and that what the mother ate, or didn't eat, affected the foetus during development? Formula would take care of "any nutrients a baby needs". Are you for real? Honestly, by saying something like that I KNOW that my response is falling on deaf ears... and yet I persist.....
You would benefit from expanding your view. Check out the research of Dr. Weston A. Price, I assure you it's credible and very informative. His research can no longer be duplicated so it's very important in the scope of understanding human health and nutrition and where things have gone so wrong.
FYI, Paleo and vegan philosophies do not go well together. Yes a Paleo diet is often plant based (but doesn't have to be, for example the Inuit) in regards to volume, but is usually animal based in regards to calorie ratio. Not speaking for everyone by any means.0 -
Hmm, I checked out those links, and they were both pretty much geared towards people who were either gluten-sensitive or gluten intolerant. Not that gluten itself was evil. It is educating me more on what types of side effects occur in these individuals, so I thank you for the link. And I also apologize, as I said in the previous post, I was confusing two neurochemicals; serotonin is indeed produced in both the brain and the GI tract.
But unless I missed it on the websites I didn't see any peer-reviewed study to back up the claim that gluten took that long to be removed from the body, or that gluten had any negative bearing on individuals who were not already gluten-sensitive or gluten intolerant to being with. So I'm taking some of this information with a grain of salt.
So I guess in the long run, a food allergy test would be the best option to find out what food type, if any, your husband and son may be allergic to.
Edit: because typos, ayy
Might I suggest learning more about about Paleo, and food intolerances, then?
While it's estimated that 1% of the population has Celiac, it's estimated that more than 80% of them remain undiagnosed or misdiagnosed. Non-celiac gluten sensitivity is even worse, because unlike Celiac, there is no blood test you can do (because gluten sensitivity does not trigger antibodies to be created like Celiac does), and estimates suggest that as much as half to 2/3 of Americans have some level of gluten sensitivity, and even optimistic estimates put it at 6-7%. The only way, currently, to diagnose non-Celiac gluten sensitivity is through elimination (and good luck getting the doctor to sign off on that, given that the vast majority of doctors don't even know about Celiac, and many think NCGS doesn't exist at all, and your odds are even worse if you don't present in the stereotypical manner).
I mention that to say this -- it's unknown whether my husband has any food sensitivities, which is also largely why I asked here. There are so many things in something like pizza that a person could be sensitive to that I was hoping to find someone with a similar experience that was able to find the root cause, so that I might be able to have somewhere to start. Not having a doctor's diagnosis, or a blood test, to "prove" something does not mean a person does not have a given health issue.
Also, regarding your request for a "peer-reviewed study to back up the claim that gluten took that long to be removed from the body" -- well, good luck with that, because the studies don't look for that. They look for the antibodies, which will arguably last quite a bit longer than the trigger. Again, though, ask anyone who's found themselves to be gluten sensitive in any way, and you'll generally see a lag time of at least 24 hours for symptoms to start easing up, and longer times the farther removed you get from the GI tract (ie - immediate GI symptoms like heartburn typically go away first, then the "brain fog," then the joint pain and skin issues, and so on). Again, though, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence -- just because a peer-reviewed study hasn't been done on something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And I never once said that gluten was evil (an inanimate object can't really be "evil"; it can, however, be something that isn't good for human consumption, kind of like a myriad of other compounds that exist in nature, like lead or tar, or even things other animals can eat, such as certain varieties of mushrooms and the animals that eat them). I have no idea where you got that from, other than that this is a Paleo board. In that context, gluten isn't the only reason Paleo avoids grains (and your responses here suggest that you don't know this, nor do you know the nature of grains and legumes and the reasons Paleo avoids them). That comes back to learning more about the details of Paleo beyond the "no grains, no legumes (and some plans, no dairy)" Paleo 101 basics.0 -
WRONG on so many levels.
To say nutrition (aka FOOD) does not affect the body is completely ridiculous. (The brain IS PART OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, though I do understand that health "professionals" seem to resist recognizing that fact.) For example, I supposedly had Binge Eating Disorder, severe bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, chronic anxiety, PTSD etc. However, when I stopped eating a grain/sugar based diet these health problems vanished (PTSD and anxiety did not completely vanish, but are now totally manageable), and very quickly. I spent years in therapy and was prescribed meds at times for these issues and nothing ever worked. Why? Because I was malnourished. The brain does very strange things when it is nutrient deficient. Considering our modern diet and that most of us are malnourished starting from before birth, I don't wonder at all why humans are having so many issues with brain health.
If you don't agree that food can affect the body (including the brain) why are you in the Paleo forum? Because the vast majority here are living proof that what we eat does affect us on a physical level (which includes the brain!).
I'm part of this group to get a bird's eye view of the lifestyle. I'm also part of a vegan group, mainly to get some recipes to incorporate more vegetables into my diet.
But according to yourself, my differing opinion automatically should have me ejected?
I do apologize for an earlier piece of misinformation though. I recognize that yes, serotonin is produced in both the brain and the GI tract (I was mistakenly confusing it with Oxytocin, my bad). I'm not above correcting any misinformation on my part.
For your personal post, I did not say that food didn't affect the physical body. It's pretty common sense that not eating nutrient dense foods would be unhealthy for a person in the long run. I merely said food does not cause rage. Rage is a rather extreme emotion, rather than just irritability (which I've seen can appear after a drop in sugar levels and such). And what is pizza, really? Cheese, bread, vegetables, meat, and oil.
I guess I don't see how your previous diet which included grains and sugars caused you to have malnutrition. Without some sort of medical condition that prevents efficient storage of nutrients (or gluten intolerance), the only way I see someone being malnourished is by eating a diet low in nutrient density. How are we malnourished from birth? Breast milk or formula would take care of any nutrients a baby needs.
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No, I'm not saying you necessarily should be ejected. But your views are not inline with Paleo views, and this is a Paleo forum. I expect to encounter extreme opposition to Paleo views in the General forums, but not here.
Asserting that a grain/sugar based diet could not cause malnutrition... is ignorant. Grains (especially the processed products that dominate the current diet) inhibit absorption of many nutrients in the intestinal tract. Add that to a an almost entirely processed food diet that most Americans and Canadians consume.... can lead to malnutrition. The fact that the majority of people are sick and fat supports my view. Malnutrition does not mean a shortage of calories, it means inadequate intake of necessary nutrients.
Exactly, the SAD diet IS low in nutrient density! Eureka!
(Suggestion: accept a person's personal experience as "real" instead of trying to debunk it because YOU don't believe it's possible.)
You do know that composition of breast milk relies on the health of the mother and that what the mother ate, or didn't eat, affected the foetus during development? Formula would take care of "any nutrients a baby needs". Are you for real? Honestly, by saying something like that I KNOW that my response is falling on deaf ears... and yet I persist.....
You would benefit from expanding your view. Check out the research of Dr. Weston A. Price, I assure you it's credible and very informative. His research can no longer be duplicated so it's very important in the scope of understanding human health and nutrition and where things have gone so wrong.
FYI, Paleo and vegan philosophies do not go well together. Yes a Paleo diet is often plant based (but doesn't have to be, for example the Inuit) in regards to volume, but is usually animal based in regards to calorie ratio. Not speaking for everyone by any means.
Note to Rhine - Akima mentions that Price's research can't be duplicated, because his research area was in the lives of indigenous populations, most of whom have since been "Westernized" and no longer eat their traditional diet (the Okinawans actually suffer from the same issue -- the diet that they're so famous for is actually alien to them and has only been their diet since WWII). There is some limited research still going on with the Australian Aboriginals, the Maasi people, and probably a few South American tribes, but the vast majority of people now eat a neolithic, if not altogether Western, diet.0 -
I have Celiac disease. When I get glutened, I become a total *kitten*. A lot of anger and no filter.
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I have Celiac disease. When I get glutened, I become a total *kitten*. A lot of anger and no filter.
Considering that Celiac disease is so underdiagnosed and gluten sensitivity even more so, that makes sense. There are a lot of angry people around.0 -
Late to this thread! Annatto, a natural plant-based food colouring very commonly found in cheeses to give them their bright yellow colour, has been linked to outbursts of rage and head banging incidents. I believe it's number 160b in the ingredient lists.0
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Wow... look at the comments section under this one. Rage caused by food colouring?
http://fedup.com.au/factsheets/additive-and-natural-chemical-factsheets/160b-annatto
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I have 2 children with autism and food almost definitely effects them. When my oldest was 12 I did a lot of research regarding food and ASD he went on a gluten,Casein,MSG and aspartame free diet. He was on this diet for about 10 months we stopped because my husband felt it was too expensive and there were no benefits to it. It was time consuming (I know better now) and difficult when we ate out. Looking back on it now when we reintroduced all the above his ASD became much worse, he became angry, aggressive, depressed and started self harming. We had 2 years of hell for everyone (mostly for Marcus) with many hours in therapy, he was withdrawn from school and home educated. I felt useless as a mother (when your 4 year old comes to you and tells you her brother has cut his feet and their is blood everywhere what do you do protect the four year old from psychological damage or deal with the physical injury). It wasn't a great time. He is now 18 and thankfully in a much better place, he has recently expressed feeling of depression and guess what he eats crap' looking back I should have put him straight back on the diet but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
My other son has aspergers and ADHD if he has food colourings especially blue we all know about it. He was lactose intolerant as a baby and he naturally avoids dairy he has some but declines icecream, yoghurt etc he says it doesn't make him feel good.
I am dairy/gluten intolerant I recently reintroduced both and major depression yesterday. So for my family food makes a big difference. I have to find a way to clean up my children's diets they all are sugar addicted I don't know how to do this without looking like a big meanie. Sorry this post is long.1 -
I have a similar issue as you describe about your husband. I have a random anger issue that I have been tracking for nearly 2 years. It starts a few hours after some meals and can last for days. There is no rhyme or reason for it, no outside influence to justify the emotion. I actually came across this thread while trying to research it.
My current guess is that it is some kind of reaction to rice for me. I've been tracking every food ingredient I eat for months and rice is the most consistent ingredient when I have issues.
Have you found any answers?1 -
I have a similar issue as you describe about your husband. I have a random anger issue that I have been tracking for nearly 2 years. It starts a few hours after some meals and can last for days. There is no rhyme or reason for it, no outside influence to justify the emotion. I actually came across this thread while trying to research it.
My current guess is that it is some kind of reaction to rice for me. I've been tracking every food ingredient I eat for months and rice is the most consistent ingredient when I have issues.
Have you found any answers?
@Dragonwolf is still around. Here's hoping she replies soon.0 -
Coffee and alcohol both put me in rare form. Alcohol is by far the worst and one of the main reasons I quit drinking about 6 years ago. I only drink coffee once a week and thempn only an Americano which seems to have less of an impact. Tea doesn’t do this though so it’s not the caffeine.0
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wanderinjack wrote: »Coffee and alcohol both put me in rare form. Alcohol is by far the worst and one of the main reasons I quit drinking about 6 years ago. I only drink coffee once a week and thempn only an Americano which seems to have less of an impact. Tea doesn’t do this though so it’s not the caffeine.
Out of curiosity, how soon do you feel the anger?
(Anyone who wants to answer)
Is it immediate/soon? Or something like 6 hours later, or next day?
I only ask because I'm trying to figure out a food intolerance issue of my own, and I'm thinking it's a 2-3 day delay before my symptoms (tinnitus etc.) appear.0 -
Within an hour and lasts several0
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wanderinjack wrote: »Within an hour and lasts several
That doesn't sound fun at all.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I have a similar issue as you describe about your husband. I have a random anger issue that I have been tracking for nearly 2 years. It starts a few hours after some meals and can last for days. There is no rhyme or reason for it, no outside influence to justify the emotion. I actually came across this thread while trying to research it.
My current guess is that it is some kind of reaction to rice for me. I've been tracking every food ingredient I eat for months and rice is the most consistent ingredient when I have issues.
Have you found any answers?
@Dragonwolf is still around. Here's hoping she replies soon.
Unfortunately, we never did figure it out. The cause of that kind of incident was too infrequent to be able to pin it down, and we quit having access to that particular pizza shop, I think. Hubby also went on Zoloft for GAD, which has greatly changed his mood "set point" and makes him less prone to such episodes overall.
Given his sensitivity to a few other herbs/spices, I suspect they may have used something that most other places don't and that we don't generally use.0 -
Food can definitely effect your biochemistry and trigger emotional and physiological reactions. It's not necessarily an "allergy" reaction, but how the biochemistry of a particular food responds with your individual biochemistry. Your body's biochemistry can be affected by the food, your gut flora, your physiology and, chemicals, pesticides, dyes, and mold that could be on or in the food. With most food issues you have to test by trial and error. There are some blood tests, but most aren't 100% accurate. If you repeatedly have a reaction to the same type of food or the same restaurant then there's something in it your body doesn't like. If you can't find a reasonable reason for an unexplained emotional reaction or physiological sensation it's probably something you ate, drank, or breathed in.
I have noticed that If I eat processed foods, especially grain-based foods my moods get very wonky and I can have unexplainable anxiety, depression, irritability, and a tendency to over-react any where from a few minutes after eating to a few days later. Mild to moderate food allergies or food sensitivities often show up in odd ways such as flu-like symptoms, and mood and behavior changes. Theses types of reactions usually aren't immediate and may show up anywhere from a few hours to a few days after ingesting the offending food.
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I just saw that this was a revived thread, but I'd already skimmed all the replies, so I thought I'd go ahead and share my anecdote. My sister has a milk "allergy" (maybe more sensitivity? I'm not sure). She is three years older than me, and I remember having to avoid her in order to not get beat up after she'd had any kind of dairy besides butter. It wasn't lactose; there was a protein in it that she reacted to. The timing was similar to some of the others described above, a few hours after ingestion. I remember my dad coached her soccer team, and would purposely feed her cheese or ice cream about 2 hours before a game because she would be that much more aggressive on the field.
Edited to add: We're both in our 30s now, and while she is mature enough to not try to beat me up anymore (that and I could totally take her now, lol), she does still avoid dairy because it never stopped being rage inducing. We were at a kid's birthday party just a few days ago, and I had handed her a plate with cake and ice cream on it. She gave me a funny look, and I said, "what? I don't live with you anymore." And she kinda laughed and ate a few bites of it. I finished the rest of her ice cream.1
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