Cain, Did he do it? Does it matter now? Does anyone care?
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Grimmerick
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Herman Cain, Did he sexually harass those women or is it just a ploy to take him out of the running? If so why are they *****ing so many years later and trying to sue for a **** load of money? Sounds suspicious to me........discuss or argue it's groups so whatever you want 
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The evidence points to him doing it, and yes, it is a ploy to take him out of the running. That is after all, what politics is all about. All of them have skeletons in their closets, but the ones who can keep it hidden comes out ahead. I am sure even Rick Perry has a few, but time itself will tell if they can be contained.0
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If we wait until candidates without skeletons are found, it'll be a cold day in hell before we have another election!0
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I will vote for the first politician that comes out and says, I smoke pot, Sleep with random women like a rock star, I make way too much money, but I am still a ethical person when it comes to my job and I know what I am doing and do it well. That guy will get my vote0
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I will vote for the first politician that comes out and says, I smoke pot, Sleep with random women like a rock star, I make way too much money, but I am still a ethical person when it comes to my job and I know what I am doing and do it well. That guy will get my vote
Sounds like a plan!0 -
Harassment is a gray line. I think the ladies that are honoring the confidentiality clauses may or may not have had a legitimate claim to sexual harassment. That women that came out yesterday... she is just lying!
And, yes, they are trying to dig up some dirt from his past because he is a viable candidate for the White House. If you have ever listened to this man's talk show, you would know that he knows what he is talking about.0 -
So they paid them a years wages for nothing?Harassment is a gray line. I think the ladies that are honoring the confidentiality clauses may or may not have had a legitimate claim to sexual harassment. That women that came out yesterday... she is just lying!
And, yes, they are trying to dig up some dirt from his past because he is a viable candidate for the White House. If you have ever listened to this man's talk show, you would know that he knows what he is talking about.0 -
He did it. And I dont care.0
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So they paid them a years wages for nothing?Harassment is a gray line. I think the ladies that are honoring the confidentiality clauses may or may not have had a legitimate claim to sexual harassment. That women that came out yesterday... she is just lying!
And, yes, they are trying to dig up some dirt from his past because he is a viable candidate for the White House. If you have ever listened to this man's talk show, you would know that he knows what he is talking about.
I used to work in HR and dealt with a number of sexual harassment situations. It is not uncommon at all for a company or organization to pay off someone who claims sexual harassment against an upper level executive. It is considered cheaper than dealing with the fall out and the effect on the bottom line with shareholders especially. The case of the women who sign off on confidentiality agreements, we will just never know. This new chick seems like an opportunist to me.0 -
So they paid them a years wages for nothing?Harassment is a gray line. I think the ladies that are honoring the confidentiality clauses may or may not have had a legitimate claim to sexual harassment. That women that came out yesterday... she is just lying!
And, yes, they are trying to dig up some dirt from his past because he is a viable candidate for the White House. If you have ever listened to this man's talk show, you would know that he knows what he is talking about.
I used to work in HR and dealt with a number of sexual harassment situations. It is not uncommon at all for a company or organization to pay off someone who claims sexual harassment against an upper level executive. It is considered cheaper than dealing with the fall out and the effect on the bottom line with shareholders especially. The case of the women who sign off on confidentiality agreements, we will just never know. This new chick seems like an opportunist to me.
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So they paid them a years wages for nothing?Harassment is a gray line. I think the ladies that are honoring the confidentiality clauses may or may not have had a legitimate claim to sexual harassment. That women that came out yesterday... she is just lying!
And, yes, they are trying to dig up some dirt from his past because he is a viable candidate for the White House. If you have ever listened to this man's talk show, you would know that he knows what he is talking about.
I used to work in HR and dealt with a number of sexual harassment situations. It is not uncommon at all for a company or organization to pay off someone who claims sexual harassment against an upper level executive. It is considered cheaper than dealing with the fall out and the effect on the bottom line with shareholders especially. The case of the women who sign off on confidentiality agreements, we will just never know. This new chick seems like an opportunist to me.
I do not see what is so special about him as to why they would continue to pay off women for him. And even if they do pay to keep it from going further doesn't mean that their claims had no validity.
I don't know if the new chick is an opportunist or not. If I was in her exact shoes, I might come forward. If what she says is true, that is assault. And her being a registered Republican I wouldn't want a man like that representing my party. I guess time will tell what kind of woman she is.0 -
I think he did it too. What the woman said yesterday is sexual assault. Which makes me care.He did it. And I dont care.
I think it also matters in the cases of politicians who want to take away reproductive rights from women and who want to prevent equality for people in the gay and lesbian community. I think its important to point out the hypocrisy. 0 -
So they paid them a years wages for nothing?Harassment is a gray line. I think the ladies that are honoring the confidentiality clauses may or may not have had a legitimate claim to sexual harassment. That women that came out yesterday... she is just lying!
And, yes, they are trying to dig up some dirt from his past because he is a viable candidate for the White House. If you have ever listened to this man's talk show, you would know that he knows what he is talking about.
I used to work in HR and dealt with a number of sexual harassment situations. It is not uncommon at all for a company or organization to pay off someone who claims sexual harassment against an upper level executive. It is considered cheaper than dealing with the fall out and the effect on the bottom line with shareholders especially. The case of the women who sign off on confidentiality agreements, we will just never know. This new chick seems like an opportunist to me.
I do not see what is so special about him as to why they would continue to pay off women for him. And even if they do pay to keep it from going further doesn't mean that they claims had no validity.
I don't know if the new chick is an opportunist or not. If I was in her exact shoes, I might come forward. If what she says is true, that is assault. And her being a registered Republican I wouldn't want a man like that representing my party. I guess time will tell what kind of woman she is.
He was the President/CEO of the National Restaurant group when this occured and he had previously been the President/CEO of Godfather Pizza. A company or organization will almost always protect its most expensive commodity, ie: it's exec. They are paid a ton, they have huge contracts and they are not easy to replace. It is cheaper to pay off someone then to replace the exec. Plus if something like this gets out your stock tanks and will take other similar stocks with it on the way down. Again, it is cheaper to pay off someone then to deal with a huge lose of revenue. Most of the women who where paid off only made in the $50, 000 range. I am not saying this is right. I am just trying to explain why a company/organization does these things.
I might be more likely to believe this new gal, if this accusation had happened this decade and if Gloria Allred was not standing directly to her left. Highly suspect.0 -
I think he did it too. What the woman said yesterday is sexual assault. Which makes me care.He did it. And I dont care.
I think it also matters in the cases of politicians who want to take away reproductive rights from women and who want to prevent equality for people in the gay and lesbian community. I think its important to point out the hypocrisy.
You know, I am an independent. I believe in pro-choice and I want equality for my LGBT friends, BUT from a fiscal standpoint, my views are entirely Republican. As an independent, I have to vote based on the platform that I believe is the most detrimentally important to the nation as a whole for this time period. I believe that issue is unequivocably the economy. Therefore, I'm going to support the candidate that makes the most sense about how to direct our nation's economy. The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me. Ensuring that women who want abortions can afford them and that my LGBT friends can keep their homes or pay their medical expenses... that is the issue that is most important to me, and the standpoint that I am voting from.0 -
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
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The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.0 -
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.0 -
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.0 -
I don't know exactly how all of this was brought out in the media. But these women did complain at one point or another. But then again, Cain wouldn't know that would he? He didn't even know they were paid off. *rolleyes* This guy is way out of his league.
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.0 -
I don't know exactly how all of this was brought out in the media. But these women did complain at one point or another. But then again, Cain wouldn't know that would he? He didn't even know they were paid off. *rolleyes* This guy is way out of his league.
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.
And you think that it is not possible, in a position of power, that someone could make a false complaint against another individual just to get the pay off. As the previous poster stated, very often companies just simply pay the settlement to avoid the costs of defending a top official. I'm not even certain that the NRA investigated the initial claims.0 -
I don't know exactly how all of this was brought out in the media. But these women did complain at one point or another. But then again, Cain wouldn't know that would he? He didn't even know they were paid off. *rolleyes* This guy is way out of his league.
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.
And you think that it is not possible, in a position of power, that someone could make a false complaint against another individual just to get the pay off. As the previous poster stated, very often companies just simply pay the settlement to avoid the costs of defending a top official. I'm not even certain that the NRA investigated the initial claims.
Of course it is possible. But I find it highly unlikely that all of these claims are false. Not to mention, all of these other men who are running have been in positions of power but they don't have women crawling out of the woodwork to falsely accuse them. I don't think its quite as easy as pointing a finger and getting a big payout, no questions asked.0 -
I don't know exactly how all of this was brought out in the media. But these women did complain at one point or another. But then again, Cain wouldn't know that would he? He didn't even know they were paid off. *rolleyes* This guy is way out of his league.
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.
And you think that it is not possible, in a position of power, that someone could make a false complaint against another individual just to get the pay off. As the previous poster stated, very often companies just simply pay the settlement to avoid the costs of defending a top official. I'm not even certain that the NRA investigated the initial claims.
Of course it is possible. But I find it highly unlikely that all of these claims are false. Not to mention, all of these other men who are running have been in positions of power but they don't have women crawling out of the woodwork to falsely accuse them. I don't think its quite as easy as pointing a finger and getting a big payout, no questions asked.
I don''t konw what this latest gal is asking for, but the other women received money in the 30-50K range. That is not a lot of money and it was probably the equvilant of their income at the time. It is highly likely that their claims were less of a predatory nature than the ones being made by the woman who as gone public. We have to remember that telling a dirty joke can be seen as sexual harrassment. I think that he had to have known a claim was made against him, but I don't doubt for a second that he may have been unaware of the resolution and he simply may have not known in order to be able to claim later that he never knew....It's called plausible deniability.0 -
I don't know exactly how all of this was brought out in the media. But these women did complain at one point or another. But then again, Cain wouldn't know that would he? He didn't even know they were paid off. *rolleyes* This guy is way out of his league.
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.
And you think that it is not possible, in a position of power, that someone could make a false complaint against another individual just to get the pay off. As the previous poster stated, very often companies just simply pay the settlement to avoid the costs of defending a top official. I'm not even certain that the NRA investigated the initial claims.
Of course it is possible. But I find it highly unlikely that all of these claims are false. Not to mention, all of these other men who are running have been in positions of power but they don't have women crawling out of the woodwork to falsely accuse them. I don't think its quite as easy as pointing a finger and getting a big payout, no questions asked.
Well like I said, only one woman came forward with an accusation. The others were dug up by journalists. Let's keep in mind that these accusations are 15 years old. There have been no complaints against since then. No one that has worked on his radio show has ever complained of inappropriate behavior. Is it impossible to believe that who he was 15 years ago is not the man he is today? Can you honestly say that you are the same person that you were 15 years ago?0 -
So you do think it is possible that he did all this. And yes, I do think that it matters that he did this, even if it was 15 years ago.
I don't know exactly how all of this was brought out in the media. But these women did complain at one point or another. But then again, Cain wouldn't know that would he? He didn't even know they were paid off. *rolleyes* This guy is way out of his league.
The candidate's individual beliefs, whether they be hypocritical or not, are not a concern to me.
The next POTUS will more than likely be able to appoint the next SC Justice. If someone can not keep their hands to themselves (especially when it is unwanted) yet they want to dictate what I can do with my body, they have no business being in any kind of power position over the electorate imo.
I'll skip over the rest because I would go too far OT and I'll save it for another thread
True. But you don't know that these allegations are true. You don't know that this lady yesterday isn't just looking to cash in on 15 minutes of fame. You can't honestly tell me that you take everything you hear at face value.
I think the women who slept with Tiger Woods were trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame. I still think he slept with them though. I think four women coming out (in one way or another) to say that this man was grossly out of line is more than a coincidence.
Not that it matters. I think Herman Cain has about as much shot at getting to run in the General Election as I do.
But only one of those women came out (that lady yesterday). The others were discovered after journalists poured through the NRA's records and discovered these settlements. Those women didn't come forward. They were brought forward by the media, and that chick yesterday, suddenly wanted to file a lawsuit for something that happened 15 years ago, but it didn't seem to bother her at the time.
And you think that it is not possible, in a position of power, that someone could make a false complaint against another individual just to get the pay off. As the previous poster stated, very often companies just simply pay the settlement to avoid the costs of defending a top official. I'm not even certain that the NRA investigated the initial claims.
Of course it is possible. But I find it highly unlikely that all of these claims are false. Not to mention, all of these other men who are running have been in positions of power but they don't have women crawling out of the woodwork to falsely accuse them. I don't think its quite as easy as pointing a finger and getting a big payout, no questions asked.
Well like I said, only one woman came forward with an accusation. The others were dug up by journalists. Let's keep in mind that these accusations are 15 years old. There have been no complaints against since then. No one that has worked on his radio show has ever complained of inappropriate behavior. Is it impossible to believe that who he was 15 years ago is not the man he is today? Can you honestly say that you are the same person that you were 15 years ago?
All of these candidates are going to be vetted by the media (and the DNC, RNC, and anyone else who is running)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/11/08/142134820/earlier-cain-accuser-is-republican-longtime-government-employee
"Kraushaar, 55, a career federal employee and registered Republican who characterizes herself as an independent, currently works as a communications director at the U.S. Treasury Department.
The release of her name also came after the restaurant association, acting on a request by Kraushaar's lawyer, Joel Bennett, freed her last week from a confidentiality agreement signed when she settled her harassment case against Cain and left the association with a cash payment in June 1999. Bennett on Friday read a statement on behalf of Kraushaar, who alleged the incidents involving Cain were "a series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances from the CEO."
Bennett on Tuesday offered no further comment, but said he and Kraushaar "stand by the statement issued last Friday."
It sounds like woman A wanted to make it known that this happened.0 -
I absolutely think he did it, and he is pretty much done.......
I for one don't care.....I would have voted for Donald Trump....0 -
I will vote for the first politician that comes out and says, I smoke pot, Sleep with random women like a rock star, I make way too much money, but I am still a ethical person when it comes to my job and I know what I am doing and do it well. That guy will get my vote
Me, too! :drinker:0 -
I honestly don't care about the candidates personal life (so long as they didn't do something totally horrible like murder, or anything involving a child.) I care more about what they stand for.
Therefore, I will not vote for Cain, not because of anything in his personal life, but because I really disagree with Conservative values.0 -
OH! Actually just read the post, and yeah, sexual harassment would be a bad enough thing for me to say "I'm not going to vote for this person."0
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It's irrelevant from a political standpoint. He's not qualified to be President.
As a citizen, he should be taken to court and then we'll find out.0
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