Girl Scout cookie ban
MassiveDelta
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http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/01/13/ventura-girl-scout-14-calls-for-cookie-boycott-over-radical-homosexual-agenda/
My question is should the parents of the 7 year old be brought up on child endangerment charges for mental and emotional abuse.
I have 5 children 3 of them are past the age of 10. I assure you that even my 11 and 13 year olds aren't capable of making a decision like that and quite frankly they change their mind about what color toothbrush they want in a given week. The severe repercussions this could have on the psyche of that 7 year old boy is terrible.
My question is should the parents of the 7 year old be brought up on child endangerment charges for mental and emotional abuse.
I have 5 children 3 of them are past the age of 10. I assure you that even my 11 and 13 year olds aren't capable of making a decision like that and quite frankly they change their mind about what color toothbrush they want in a given week. The severe repercussions this could have on the psyche of that 7 year old boy is terrible.
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I hate popcorn, but this is going to be good.......0
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Since we've got people on watch with popcorn in hand, I'll bite. I would support the "cutting of ties" with any organization that does anything in conjunction with Planned Parenthood.
Now, regarding Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts........can't we just have "Scouts" and let the groups be co-ed?0 -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/bobby-montoya-girl-scouts_n_1033308.html
I wanted to find out more about the child in question. I read the article, I did not watch the video. I would see your point about abuse if the parents were forcing the child into a transgender role, this doesn't appear, superficially anyway, to be the case. I refer to the gay friends I have that say they knew from a very young age that they were gay, I would believe therefore that there are some children who know from a young age that they are transgendered. I don't think anyone could say for certain if that's the case with this child until they reach maturity though.
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First of all, it's a free country and people are welcome to boycott anything they want. Believe me, no boy scout organization even makes it on to my front lawn before I am shutting the door in their faces.
What I find mostly sick and perverted about stuff like this is when parents use their kids as props for their ideological agendas. There is a guy in the Chicago area who is an atheist and has done some of the same thing - pushing his kids into the spotlight as part of his protests about church/state issues.
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That's disgusting.
I didn't listen to the video (at work) but read the article. Any 14 year old who says "Radical Homosexual Agenda" has a parent filling their head with hate and ugliness.
And why are they saying the 7 year old in question is a boy if "he's" transgender? Now I'm not 100% up to speed on everything dealing with the trans community but here's what I do know. They exist. They're human beings and they deserve the same rights and respect afforded to anyone else.
Just because they were born a little different in the areas of hormones and genitals is no excuse to discriminate against them. And you can see society only gets uptight about this because it has something to do with sex. We don't discriminate against people with other birth defects/issues. They're not trying to kick anyone with a cleft palate out of the scouts. But let something a little out of the ordinary happen to the private parts and people get all uncomfortable inside and want the person to hide in a closet for the rest of their lives.
Transexual/transgender people exist. Therefore they are deserving of rights and respect. If you've got a differing opinion I can't wait to hear it.0 -
That's disgusting.
I didn't listen to the video (at work) but read the article. Any 14 year old who says "Radical Homosexual Agenda" has a parent filling their head with hate and ugliness.
And why are they saying the 7 year old in question is a boy if "he's" transgender? Now I'm not 100% up to speed on everything dealing with the trans community but here's what I do know. They exist. They're human beings and they deserve the same rights and respect afforded to anyone else.
Just because they were born a little different in the areas of hormones and genitals is no excuse to discriminate against them. And you can see society only gets uptight about this because it has something to do with sex. We don't discriminate against people with other birth defects/issues. They're not trying to kick anyone with a cleft palate out of the scouts. But let something a little out of the ordinary happen to the private parts and people get all uncomfortable inside and want the person to hide in a closet for the rest of their lives.
Transexual/transgender people exist. Therefore they are deserving of rights and respect. If you've got a differing opinion I can't wait to hear it.
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That's disgusting.
I didn't listen to the video (at work) but read the article. Any 14 year old who says "Radical Homosexual Agenda" has a parent filling their head with hate and ugliness.
And why are they saying the 7 year old in question is a boy if "he's" transgender? Now I'm not 100% up to speed on everything dealing with the trans community but here's what I do know. They exist. They're human beings and they deserve the same rights and respect afforded to anyone else.
Just because they were born a little different in the areas of hormones and genitals is no excuse to discriminate against them. And you can see society only gets uptight about this because it has something to do with sex. We don't discriminate against people with other birth defects/issues. They're not trying to kick anyone with a cleft palate out of the scouts. But let something a little out of the ordinary happen to the private parts and people get all uncomfortable inside and want the person to hide in a closet for the rest of their lives.
Transexual/transgender people exist. Therefore they are deserving of rights and respect. If you've got a differing opinion I can't wait to hear it.
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I was hoping for a good debate, but it looks like we're all in agreement on the transgender issue.0
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Well as much as I love a good debate I'll take it as a sign of progress that no one is saying they should be excluded. That's nice!
And really I'll always laugh at attempts by the scouts to discriminate against homosexuals. I mean is there anything gayer than scouts? The neckerchiefs and little shorts...
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
It's not the law of the land, but it is the moral foundation upon which our nation was founded.
You don't have to make it any more complicated than this.0 -
I so hope a heterosexual Eagle Scout reads this and comes at you!And really I'll always laugh at attempts by the scouts to discriminate against homosexuals. I mean is there anything gayer than scouts? The neckerchiefs and little shorts..
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I so hope a heterosexual Eagle Scout reads this and comes at you!And really I'll always laugh at attempts by the scouts to discriminate against homosexuals. I mean is there anything gayer than scouts? The neckerchiefs and little shorts..
Jokes.
The great irony is that the evidence strongly suggests that Baden-Powell himself was gay. (Actually that might not seem ironic at all).0 -
That's disgusting.
I didn't listen to the video (at work) but read the article. Any 14 year old who says "Radical Homosexual Agenda" has a parent filling their head with hate and ugliness.
And why are they saying the 7 year old in question is a boy if "he's" transgender? Now I'm not 100% up to speed on everything dealing with the trans community but here's what I do know. They exist. They're human beings and they deserve the same rights and respect afforded to anyone else.
Just because they were born a little different in the areas of hormones and genitals is no excuse to discriminate against them. And you can see society only gets uptight about this because it has something to do with sex. We don't discriminate against people with other birth defects/issues. They're not trying to kick anyone with a cleft palate out of the scouts. But let something a little out of the ordinary happen to the private parts and people get all uncomfortable inside and want the person to hide in a closet for the rest of their lives.
Transexual/transgender people exist. Therefore they are deserving of rights and respect. If you've got a differing opinion I can't wait to hear it.
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That little girl spewing hate, breaks my heart. And how exactly is the Girl Scouts in league with Planned Parenthood? I dont understand that connection.0 -
I think what that 14 year old girl did is disgusting,shes the one we should be worried about.0
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My question is should the parents of the 7 year old be brought up on child endangerment charges for mental and emotional abuse.
I have 5 children 3 of them are past the age of 10. I assure you that even my 11 and 13 year olds aren't capable of making a decision like that and quite frankly they change their mind about what color toothbrush they want in a given week. The severe repercussions this could have on the psyche of that 7 year old boy is terrible.
Let me just say that every single transgender/transvestite I have known which is a lot have known since they were tiny children that they identify as girl.The emotional scars from having to hide who they are are real trauma.I have read many stories on this child these parents are not forcing him to play with dolls,dress like a girl ect they just let him be who he wants to be.How is that abuse?0 -
So this would not be the topic to try to sell my daughters cookies?0
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So this would not be the topic to try to sell my daughters cookies?
I'm so looking forward to buying cookies this year. I'm buying twice as many just because.0 -
So this would not be the topic to try to sell my daughters cookies?
I'm so looking forward to buying cookies this year. I'm buying twice as many just because.
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That's disgusting.
I didn't listen to the video (at work) but read the article. Any 14 year old who says "Radical Homosexual Agenda" has a parent filling their head with hate and ugliness.
And why are they saying the 7 year old in question is a boy if "he's" transgender? Now I'm not 100% up to speed on everything dealing with the trans community but here's what I do know. They exist. They're human beings and they deserve the same rights and respect afforded to anyone else.
Just because they were born a little different in the areas of hormones and genitals is no excuse to discriminate against them. And you can see society only gets uptight about this because it has something to do with sex. We don't discriminate against people with other birth defects/issues. They're not trying to kick anyone with a cleft palate out of the scouts. But let something a little out of the ordinary happen to the private parts and people get all uncomfortable inside and want the person to hide in a closet for the rest of their lives.
Transexual/transgender people exist. Therefore they are deserving of rights and respect. If you've got a differing opinion I can't wait to hear it.
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That little girl spewing hate, breaks my heart. And how exactly is the Girl Scouts in league with Planned Parenthood? I dont understand that connection.
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My boys are both Boy Scouts. (Oldest is just about the rank before Eagle. Just some details to take care of.) Fortunately, we found a group that isn't overly religious with more intellectuals than people who can only think what their church tells thm to think. (When we were looking for troops in the area when we moved here last year we did find a troop like that. I practically ran screaming from the meeting. :laugh: )
Oh, and if anyone's parents should be brought up on charges it's the parents of that girl. It's a shame her heart is so ugly and hardened at such a young age.0 -
Just wanted to say that being transgendered does not mean the person has something wrong with their genitalia. My cousin is transgendered - born a girl, now living as a man and has legally changed his name.
I didn't bother to go to that link, cause I'm pretty sure I'll find it upsetting and disgusting.0 -
This isn't weather the the little boy should be in girls scouts its weather the parents are making the error by forcing the organization to allow him. Most importantly I dont care how "fair" it maybe be to be all inclusive. subjecting that little boy to a troop where every other little girl is going to be like "hey whats that little boy doing here" That is going to be very traumatic. I dont care what you all say if you think that wont or didn't happen you have forgotten what grade school was like.
Little boys have cooties. Little boys who want to be little girls WHOA! Big cooties! I read through some stuff on transgender and it explains how even a child as young as 4 knows what they are supposed to be . I can assure you even a 7 year old girls also knows that little boy needs to be wearing a cub scout uniform.
As for why their aren't one sole group called scouts. For starters Boys scouts starts at age 11-12 so they are older. The cub scout program is more suitable and I'm not sure you would find a lot of little boys enjoying craft time with the girls scouts. Boys and girls are different let them be different stop trying to make every one the same and stop trying to force them to accept things that are not natural for them. Little boys dont want to do girl things and vise versa.
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This isn't weather the the little boy should be in girls scouts its weather the parents are making the error by forcing the organization to allow him. Most importantly I dont care how "fair" it maybe be to be all inclusive. subjecting that little boy to a troop where every other little girl is going to be like "hey whats that little boy doing here" That is going to be very traumatic. I dont care what you all say if you think that wont or didn't happen you have forgotten what grade school was like.
Little boys have cooties. Little boys who want to be little girls WHOA! Big cooties! I read through some stuff on transgender and it explains how even a child as young as 4 knows what they are supposed to be . I can assure you even a 7 year old girls also knows that little boy needs to be wearing a cub scout uniform.
As for why their aren't one sole group called scouts. For starters Boys scouts starts at age 11-12 so they are older. The cub scout program is more suitable and I'm not sure you would find a lot of little boys enjoying craft time with the girls scouts. Boys and girls are different let them be different stop trying to make every one the same and stop trying to force them to accept things that are not natural for them. Little boys dont want to do girl things and vise versa.
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Ridiculous! You think it's "natural" for girls to do "crafts" and for boys NOT to? Neither are true. The only reason boys like to do "boy" things is because they are conditioned to. From the moment they are born, gender roles are forced upon them. It's a product of society and nothing more.0 -
Yup. Scouts are coed in Europe. It works because they aren't as uptight as most Americans.This isn't weather the the little boy should be in girls scouts its weather the parents are making the error by forcing the organization to allow him. Most importantly I dont care how "fair" it maybe be to be all inclusive. subjecting that little boy to a troop where every other little girl is going to be like "hey whats that little boy doing here" That is going to be very traumatic. I dont care what you all say if you think that wont or didn't happen you have forgotten what grade school was like.
Little boys have cooties. Little boys who want to be little girls WHOA! Big cooties! I read through some stuff on transgender and it explains how even a child as young as 4 knows what they are supposed to be . I can assure you even a 7 year old girls also knows that little boy needs to be wearing a cub scout uniform.
As for why their aren't one sole group called scouts. For starters Boys scouts starts at age 11-12 so they are older. The cub scout program is more suitable and I'm not sure you would find a lot of little boys enjoying craft time with the girls scouts. Boys and girls are different let them be different stop trying to make every one the same and stop trying to force them to accept things that are not natural for them. Little boys dont want to do girl things and vise versa.
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Ridiculous! You think it's "natural" for girls to do "crafts" and for boys NOT to? Neither are true. The only reason boys like to do "boy" things is because they are conditioned to. From the moment they are born, gender roles are forced upon them. It's a product of society and nothing more.0 -
As for why their aren't one sole group called scouts. For starters Boys scouts starts at age 11-12 so they are older. The cub scout program is more suitable and I'm not sure you would find a lot of little boys enjoying craft time with the girls scouts. Boys and girls are different let them be different stop trying to make every one the same and stop trying to force them to accept things that are not natural for them. Little boys dont want to do girl things and vise versa.
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The reason I was never a "girl scout" is because I would rather do everything the boy scouts were doing. I was not a "transgender" child but I wanted to do "boy" things for as long as I can remember0 -
As far as the initial question goes. To say that the parents should be brought up on child endangerment is ridiculous. It never says that the parents pushed the transgender girl to join girl scouts, it simply says that the group decided to let her join. If my child wants to be part of a group that generally doesn't allow them (regardless of if it's for sex, color, or creed) and that group choses to let them then I will permit my child to participate (assuming it's a reasonable cause). Why should someone be brought up on child endangerment for allowing their child to express his or herself?0
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This isn't weather the the little boy should be in girls scouts its weather the parents are making the error by forcing the organization to allow him. Most importantly I dont care how "fair" it maybe be to be all inclusive. subjecting that little boy to a troop where every other little girl is going to be like "hey whats that little boy doing here" That is going to be very traumatic. I dont care what you all say if you think that wont or didn't happen you have forgotten what grade school was like.
Little boys have cooties. Little boys who want to be little girls WHOA! Big cooties! I read through some stuff on transgender and it explains how even a child as young as 4 knows what they are supposed to be . I can assure you even a 7 year old girls also knows that little boy needs to be wearing a cub scout uniform.
As for why their aren't one sole group called scouts. For starters Boys scouts starts at age 11-12 so they are older. The cub scout program is more suitable and I'm not sure you would find a lot of little boys enjoying craft time with the girls scouts. Boys and girls are different let them be different stop trying to make every one the same and stop trying to force them to accept things that are not natural for them. Little boys dont want to do girl things and vise versa.
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Ridiculous! You think it's "natural" for girls to do "crafts" and for boys NOT to? Neither are true. The only reason boys like to do "boy" things is because they are conditioned to. From the moment they are born, gender roles are forced upon them. It's a product of society and nothing more.
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If the transgender child sees theirself as a girl, then she should be allowed to joing the girl scouts. If the parents are pushing it just to prove a point then shame on the parents. I think bringing parents up on child endangerment charges is reidiculous.
IMO I think it would be ridiculous to have just "scouts" for both sexes in one group. Little girls don't want little boys hanging around them, speaking as a former girl scout. It is a nice safe environment for girls, I am assuming it is also one for boys in their group. What about overnight camping trips and sleep overs? Want your little girl sleeping with the boys? We did have co-ed functions and even those were annoying when I was 7 - 12. After that we looked forward to them, so imagine what the sleep overs would be then!
Just let the kids be kids and leave the other crap out of it.0 -
I would support the "cutting of ties" with any organization that does anything in conjunction with Planned Parenthood.
Please elaborate further - I'm intrigued! Does the Scouting movement have ties with PP? Seems like an odd pairing...0 -
I stopped buying GS cookies a long time ago. Overpriced. I'm all for helping out with a good cause but they are ridiculous.0
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