Is it me or did I miss something somewhere in the PL world?
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Z_I_L_L_A
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All these records that are out there now are 100's of pounds higher than 12 years ago. There is different equipment used different angles used, anything to break the records. I watched some benching and they don't go very far down and it looks more like a decline than a flat bench with the size of the arch. This slingshot thing they wear, what happen to the blast shirt. One of my reps is 3 of theirs. 1000 lb. benchers, 12 years ago it was 750. In my county there was 2 people benching 500+ me and another guy, now they are all over the place. I haven't seen a problem with the squats or the deads though. Is it just me?
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the slingshot is cool becuse you can remain with the natural move ment i have one i use it in place of negatives ..but better shirts with more people buying/training in them the use of bands being more commonplace..but your right i havent seen a blast shirt in like 5 years not long after i really got into it ..i know i havent been around the block for a long time but i mean look at jay cutlar compared to arnold or reg park compared to the old circus guys ...the nfl baseball..highschool atheletes the records go up every year in everything0
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The squat and dead hasn't changed at all, but the bench has. It looks more like a decline bench now.0
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well..the deadlift equipment cant assist asmuch..but ive seen a ton of 650-800lbs squats in all sorts of gyms around ..as far as raw squats i dont see tomany over 7 actually i dont see too many over 6...........and if your talking form only..yeah the new ply shirts really make you touch your uppper abs not chest the form has changed a ton on the gear0
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well..the deadlift equipment cant assist as much
That probably explains all the equipped lifters I see that have squats that are a couple hundred pounds higher than their deadlift.0 -
This ends up being why I enjoy watching raw lifters more. The movements seem much more natural.0
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some of the recent squat "records" I have seen look very iffy as well.0
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the slingshot is cool becuse you can remain with the natural move ment i have one i use it in place of negatives ..but better shirts with more people buying/training in them the use of bands being more commonplace..but your right i havent seen a blast shirt in like 5 years not long after i really got into it ..i know i havent been around the block for a long time but i mean look at jay cutlar compared to arnold or reg park compared to the old circus guys ...the nfl baseball..highschool atheletes the records go up every year in everything
I've seen guys using the slingshot in the gym. If it is something that will prevent me from getting injured, because my joints suck right now, I wouldn't mind using one. One of my other PL friends UDail is a judge and is very knowledgeable, any questions about PL he is a lot of help.0 -
alot of guys have mixed feelings on the slingshot..i like it becuse the negitives were really putting pain to my inflamation in my forearms so its nice to have a change of pace other than board pressing or jm's ..ill shoot UDail a message if i can find him on here ..im going up to get certified by Svend Karlsen this weekend for functional strongman coaching then im gonna start the process of getting west side cert. its gonna be a rough one but i cant wait to see how much i learn from it ...what federation is UDail from.. theres so damn many of em0
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well..the deadlift equipment cant assist as much
That probably explains all the equipped lifters I see that have squats that are a couple hundred pounds higher than their deadlift.
the squat and the bench shirts/suits use a nice tight spring effect using the weight agains the shirt/suit ..where as a deadlift suit only reaction is you sitting into it and then pulling off of it at the bottom like a really tight strong box then after the break it bassicly is only keeping you tight so it does a hell of a lot less in means of assistance0 -
This ends up being why I enjoy watching raw lifters more. The movements seem much more natural.
i agree with you here..but its still just amazing to see a guy like donnie thompson squating suit or not..just a massive man doing a massive number ..sometimes you still just wanna see that big number0 -
alot of guys have mixed feelings on the slingshot..i like it becuse the negitives were really putting pain to my inflamation in my forearms so its nice to have a change of pace other than board pressing or jm's ..ill shoot UDail a message if i can find him on here ..im going up to get certified by Svend Karlsen this weekend for functional strongman coaching then im gonna start the process of getting west side cert. its gonna be a rough one but i cant wait to see how much i learn from it ...what federation is UDail from.. theres so damn many of em
Just go on my profile under friends and pic him out of my selection. I'm not sure what federation he is under. I love the WSM competition, glad to see Shaw get it last year. I'd like to start going to some PL competitions just to see where I stand. Hope they have some vendors there.0 -
Howdy:
I currently judge THSPA (Texas High School) and I judge/compete in NASA (drug free upequipped or singly ply).
For the slingshot I can see it working as a training aid. I still prefer raw lifting (traditional wraps and belt). Equipment has gone a long way in making all lifts go up. Just the percentage in the bench is more and there are so many bench press specialist now.
Hope that helps, send a friend invite if you would like.
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Given I've only been watching YouTube videos of powerlifting meets here and there, and still am ignorant about how it all works with different federations, but does anyone else notice a lot of squats that come nowhere close to legal depth get counted?0
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The depth of the squat is the single most talked/complained about topic in powerlifting. Personnally I like this definition. The top of the knee is slightly above the crease the body and the leg make. Different federations have other definitions. The argument over depth of squat has made bitter enemys between lifters and federations.
Watching videos can be very misleading as the angle is seldom correct to actually see the depth.
But I do agree alot of squats do get a white light when they need to go slightly deeper.
By the way, in my profile pic I am not at full depth.0 -
The depth of the squat is the single most talked/complained about topic in powerlifting. Personnally I like this definition. The top of the knee is slightly above the crease the body and the leg make. Different federations have other definitions. The argument over depth of squat has made bitter enemys between lifters and federations.
Watching videos can be very misleading as the angle is seldom correct to actually see the depth.
But I do agree alot of squats do get a white light when they need to go slightly deeper.
By the way, in my profile pic I am not at full depth.
I agree with the definition. However, it seems like the judges are not enforcing that definition.0 -
The slingshots aren't used in comp though (as far as I know... WABDL would laugh if somebody tried to do that!). ... thats really for training purposes only. We've done similar things using bands and rubber straps. The blast shirt is def old news, lol! That was my initial shirt and its not worth its weight at all compared to my other shirts. Denim used to be more popular as well, not any more. The shirts alone have become very complicated, each time I get a new shirt I have to spend months adapting my technique (which isn't the best yet anyway) to the new shirt. Each lifter has to really find out what works best for them, then find the shirts that work the best for their style.
The arches in the bench are really good though, I admire somebody who has acquired a strong prominent arch because it takes a lot of work to get. Other than that, everythings subjective. The depth of somebody's squat is just as subjective in comps and various powerlifting associations as the judges and lifters are and to be honest I can imagine that it might have been the same back in the day, we just didn't see it because of lack of internet.
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I am simply a curious beginner to lifting with a powerlifting bent (as opposed to bodybuilding) but I was wondering if the squat regulations also apply to somebody going *deeper* than the crease. I've been following Rippetoe's guidelines and I go pretty low because it feels better on my knees than the parallel-ish squats I see many folks doing.0
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I am simply a curious beginner to lifting with a powerlifting bent (as opposed to bodybuilding) but I was wondering if the squat regulations also apply to somebody going *deeper* than the crease. I've been following Rippetoe's guidelines and I go pretty low because it feels better on my knees than the parallel-ish squats I see many folks doing.
As far as regulations go, there's nothing wrong with going deeper (I've heard in the USAPL meets, that some do this on purpose because the judges are a lot more stringent on proper depth). However, going *kitten* to grass will mean you're moving less weight than going to just the legal depth of parallel.0 -
If you talk to someone about their squat depth they get instantly defensive and butt hurt. For me, there is only one type of squat - the Olympic backsquat. Even if I have to go lighter I refuse to budge on form.
The world of power lifting has gotten ridiculous. You have girls claiming they bench 225 only to post a video or pictures and they might as well be wearing 19 ply bench shirts. Give me a break, it took me a year of solid lifting at the age of 15, starting from barely being able to do 115, before I could bench 225 and seeing that hard-earned progress is what I found motivating. I usually only follow the federations that allow a weight belt and chalk. That's where the real strength is and the people who appreciate excellent form and pure power. Maybe I'm a purist because I've always been about the raw lift which, at times, has been to my detriment as well (see: my lower back). There are no legal short cuts in strength gains.0 -
There was a good article by someone about the difficulties of geared lifting and the intensity they do put in; as well as the ridiculous crushing internal pressure the squat suits and bench shirts put on lifters. The problem (from my limited time at following the sport) seems to be the feds just letting competitors get away with a cheated squat. I don't know what the fed gets out of it, but it's become pretty ridiculous. It's obviously not because of the equipment because there are geared lifters that squat to parallel and below.0
