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Quite ironic you say that when you are the one that's doing it. You went on and on about my posts being full of assumptions then you said well maybe it's "like obfuscate." I don't know. Sounds like all signs point to you...

Nope not assuming she does. Just not assuming she doesn't so won't say what I believe to be basic info if not asked. That's not an assumption. There are benefits to drinking green smoothies for 10 days. I've stated some of them above. Whether the pros outweigh the cons is a cost benefit analysis that every individual has…

Yes I like them too :)

@queenliz99 im not sure if you are using the term assumption correctly. There were none in my last post.

Hmm ok. I'll wait for the someone to point out assumptions I've made in this post.

I didn't see where the OP thinks cleanses are necessary. It's what she wants to do and feels helps her. Please point out where she said it is necessary. Also tell me where I have an assumption. Even if she thinks it's necessary that does not mean she doesn't understand weight loss. Some people need that motivation to start…

Really? What assumption did I make?

You don't know that. Your post is full of assumptions. Losing weight even if water is a start to weight loss. Arguing over what term to call it is futile. In addition, you are assuming the plan is to go right back to eating unhealthy after 10 days. You're assuming she will go back to eating poorly. If she starts eating…

No I'm not saying anything about whether you want to call it cleansing or not. I'm saying that those that do what some perceive as gimmicks on here are not all set up for failure. They aren't all unaware of CICO. Some people do benefit from having a more drastic start to their weight loss. That's all im saying. There's…

I don't think she thinks smoothies are a "plan to health"

You're assuming that the OP doesn't understand CICO. If realistic expectations about what they are doing are established, they are doing it in a healthy way, and they have weighed their pros and cons, it's not setting the person up for yo-yo. Some people are motivated and encouraged by seeing the scale move even if it's…

Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.

It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.

I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.

There is the usual imprecise post by members that recite incomplete and inaccurate characterizations of what actually happened.

It's possible. You can have a closed and private profile and their or friends can be the same way.

I am not sure if this is a serious question, but if we are communicating in a PM, I will/would not divulge that information. Nor will/would I tell you what we discussed.

It's not unnecessary for some people to do things like this to get themselves started. I've already said that if you have realistic expectations of what the gimmick will do, you are aware of the pros and cons, and you do it in a healthy way, they then it's not a bad idea. I used a "gimmick" to start my journey years ago. I…

I don't think anyone said smoothies are needed. But if done in a healthy way, nothing wrong with them to jumpstart a weight loss journey. I'd also talk to the OP about this too should they want to.

True. Don't think we have seen it on this thread. I personally said I'd discuss juicing in a PM.

True. No one ever said that people couldn't do harmful things while drinking smoothies. My point is that drinking smoothies can be done without "starving" and therefor to automatically dismiss them as an option for SOME people to start their weight loss goals is over broad and unnecessary.

I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working…

But I don't think they said that the OP NEEDS a cleanse or "gimmick." But I agree that many that start with these things don't stay focused. However the same is true with many people that try to lose weight without the gimmicks.

How is that false hope? The claim with cleanses is that they will help you lose weight. The claims aren't that the weight you lose will mostly be fat and no water. They don't claim that they aren't difficult for some or that you magically lose 60 pounds in 10 days from it. Accordingly if you complete a cleanse, despite…

Sometimes I do message. This time I did not want to because there is the possibility that the OP is still following along and/or I want those reading the thread to see there are others with different views.

How is it false hope? Do you think that all of these people that start a cleanse believe that they don't have to do any work after they complete the cleanse? Many of them know that they will need to continue to consume less calories than they expend.

Lol I wish. These are the types of things that some people think about when losing.

Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's…

Same!

Agreed!