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I've seen several people advise that calories for the week overall are what's important. I'm not sure, but if you just need to go over one or two days, maybe you can balance it (without going below 1200) on the other days of that week? Another way could be to find low-calorie treats, for example the great three ingredient…

Did McDonalds always serve that option? The reason why they have been changing their menu to include lower calorie items is... consumer pressure. They serve healthier options because consumer groups demand it, not because people smugly sat around saying 'it's personal responsibility!'

They have not had the same menu items for three decades, unless you go to a very special vintage mcdonalds. They have certainly not had the same salad (or any salad) on their menu for three decades. Please quote your source for the 3%. Also, that is not a global figure. McDonalds have been adopting their menus around the…

That's very mature yourself there! Thanks for trying to deliberately twist my words, you were good but the guy who actually made up a quote did better.

Your attitude towards consumers is duly noted. Reforming McDonalds instead of doing what you told me to do if I didn't like it, which was to stay away, actually preserves more jobs. If people want to eat healthy and can eat healthier there, then they will go there. Frankly, we've had this argument before. on page 9.

You, sir, are either deliberately twisting my words or haven't understood what you've read.

You're making a completely speculative argument in favour of McDs profits, and you're willing to make those assumptions because you want to avoid even the possibility of a risk to McDs profits, on the basis that McDs profits are more important than the human beings who eat their food. What a strange argument.

It's really sad that your idea of freedom means zero corporate responsibility to consumers. Who helped to get you the information that let you know that McDonalds is not a healthy option? Also, toy companies aren't supposed to make toys that put your kids in danger! What kind of a weird consumer hell do you live in?!

The only reason why you know that is IN the food, the only reason you know the information you can use to educate yourself, is because people more socially conscious than you have been working hard to make McDonalds more accountable to the consumer. You can eat whatever you want. You have more of a choice because people…

The point is that consumer rights groups are the reason why the information about mcdonalds is out there and why they have also tried to make healthier changes. They serve less crap to less people because lots of people took action for themselves and each other. If you want to eat the crap instead of the salads, go ahead!…

That's an interesting angle. Locally owned restaurants should obviously not serve crap either, but then that's for that local community to focus on, learn about and lobby together. McDonalds is a global issue, so the global community reacts to it.

Well that would be an interesting twist!

Nobody is saying any of that though. ... I mean, you are I guess, but you're trying to say other people are saying those things and nobody is. Nobody has called for a boycott of McDonalds, even, except the people who say that it's unhealthy so just don't eat there instead of asking them to change.

I suppose one answer is that it's because they're such a big company. For example, GlaxoSmithKline get targeted when people discuss Big Pharma, because they're such a big player. They make the most money out of the game, they are also the most visible players, and that's how they make their profit so it doesn't hurt them.…

Actually, many countries have great government-funded healthcare, including many strong capitalist places. What is happening with the VA etc. is because of the American political climate, not because of the possibilities of government healthcare. Ask the Scandinavians. Even though the Brits complain about the NHS, they'd…

That's actually a much better way to put it than I did. Everybody, I'm sorry for the aggressive tone I took, especially at the start.

McDonalds is not a person, it is a company. Consumers demand good quality products from the company, and in exchange they buy those products. Nobody's feeling are being hurt. They still sell a lot of crap. They are changing, but only so far as the pressure is maintained. Why? Because if they can fob people off with cheap…

Maybe we're agreeing, I'm not sure. I know that the decision to eat at McDonalds or not is personal, of course. But the way to know what's in the food, demand healthier options etc., that's something people have to do together. The information for you to find would not be there if other people didn't find it and demand…

... That's really weird, because you quoted what I said and then made up a quote, making it seem like I was responding to the statement "you're responsible for your own health" instead of what I was actually responding to, which was a comment made by someone else that referred to different points. Interesting debating…

I'm saying that personal responsibility is an easy thing to say, but people who have more of a social consciousness also try to look out for people who don't have access to the same information as them and also try to demand better options for everyone. It doesn't hurt the company to make stuff that is better for…

That's a rather strange argument because the only reason why the demand would change is because of the education... but if everyone is personally responsible, not working together, then how would that information get out?

Actually... many people at McD's are. That's why you see so many changes, such as... salads... heck, mcd's out here were selling steamed broccoli for a while. Strange bright green supersize broccoli, but that's par for the course.

Why? I can choose to have their salad with their calorie-counted dressing. Look, these are large companies that sell cheap food. Many people eat out, many jobs depend on people eating out, it's not a crime - it's just that many of those people eating out don't know a lot about nutrition, and companies profit from not…

Brett, you've been directing personal comments at me. You lost 90 pounds, good for you. It doesn't actually make your word law. I said it before and I'll say it again: we're never going to agree. Also, I've repeatedly said that we should take personal responsibility and take consumer action, as people have been doing. You…

Hah!

Companies will do whatever they can do make money. Many people here seem to think that's some kind of genius argument and stop their thinking there. Consumers have power too. If consumers demand healthier food, nutritional information (as they have) and choose healthier options, companies have to change. It's a combination…

Brett, we're never going to agree. I'm with the people campaigning for healthier food options. You can go around being angry at people for eating cheap food and feeling smug about yo bad self. We'll live separate lives.

That's not a consumer protection issue, have fun!

Please point to one lie he has told. I'm genuinely curious.

I don't know if it's a societal problem, but some people swallow free market nonsense to the point where they don't seem to see basic consumer protection issues. McDonalds and other companies have become much better over the years, offering healthier options, showing nutritional information, hopefully using less pink slime…