Lowish carb, but not keto
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I truly don't believe I need more carbs in my life to function. By what I have read in these MFP LCD forums so far I haven't encountered any dummies...or zombies for that matter.
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Welcome Jassine,
Your nutritionist is telling you as she was trained. More of the CICO ways again. Even my doctor, not trained in nutrition, says the same thing. I told him three months ago I was starting LCHF and he said to just try to keep with the healthy fats , which I am sure he has no clue what they are. This last time I saw him and lost another 13 pounds he said how well I am doing reducing my calories and getting more exercise. I just kept my mouth shut. This LCHF is very hard for many to wrap their brains around because it flys in the face of their understanding.
It would be very helpful for you to read the Launch Pad at the top of this page.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10103966/start-here-the-lcd-launch-pad
It should help with understanding how it all fits together to help us safely lose weight and have more energy.0 -
This is interesting. You'll be dumber for a few days:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosspomeroy/2013/11/12/do-low-carbohydrate-diets-make-you-dumber/
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stillonamission wrote: »Keto is considered 5% or less for carbs, 75% - 80% fat and the rest protein. I follow 5/75/20
One thing to remember is that if you are losing weight, the dietary fat percentage can be lower because you are using body fat for part of the percentage. I have my percentages at 10% carbs (total, not net), 65% fat and 25% protein and I am "keto" (and I have checked my blood ketones to ascertain they are 0.5 mM+ when eating this way). However, my body is actually "seeing" more than 65% fat because it doesn't distinguish between dietary fat and body. Also, percentages are only meaningful up to a point. If you are consuming 5,000 calories a day at 5% carbs that is 62.5 grams of carbs a day and you may or may not be in ketosis at that point.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Welcome Jassine,
Your nutritionist is telling you as she was trained. More of the CICO ways again. Even my doctor, not trained in nutrition, says the same thing. I told him three months ago I was starting LCHF and he said to just try to keep with the healthy fats , which I am sure he has no clue what they are. This last time I saw him and lost another 13 pounds he said how well I am doing reducing my calories and getting more exercise. I just kept my mouth shut. This LCHF is very hard for many to wrap their brains around because it flys in the face of their understanding.
It would be very helpful for you to read the Launch Pad at the top of this page.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10103966/start-here-the-lcd-launch-pad
It should help with understanding how it all fits together to help us safely lose weight and have more energy.
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Also, percentages are only meaningful up to a point. If you are consuming 5,000 calories a day at 5% carbs that is 62.5 grams of carbs a day and you may or may not be in ketosis at that point.
That is very true.... I should have mentioned my calories are set at 1310, although I sometimes go over, I try not to eat over 20 total carbs a day. Thanks for the reminder!0 -
stillonamission wrote: »
Also, percentages are only meaningful up to a point. If you are consuming 5,000 calories a day at 5% carbs that is 62.5 grams of carbs a day and you may or may not be in ketosis at that point.
That is very true.... I should have mentioned my calories are set at 1310, although I sometimes go over, I try not to eat over 20 total carbs a day. Thanks for the reminder!
@Stillonamission this is what I do too. Keep the carbs at or below 20 even if my calories go higher and some times they do. I think the percentages are more of a guide than hit it or else kind of thing.0 -
stillonamission wrote: »@Jazzine1 I am not 100% sure about that - maybe if your fat isn't high enough.
I am sure others will chime in, but the idea of a keto diet is for your body to stop burning carbs for energy-- and brain functions -- and start burning fat.
My brain seems to work better on fat.
@stillonamission We need another t-shirt. This is your brain. This is your brain on fats! Hee hee... I function so much better on fats! Like light years difference on them. I'm a difference person on them.I see a lot of high-functioning brains in this group.
@webmester OMG, I just laughed so hard on this one. I though I was going to wet myself...0 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »Also, I know most keto people continue to supplement potassium and magnesium after adaptation, just in case. I am not completely supportive of this. Heck, who are we kidding? I am anti-supplements 99% of the time. I just worry about too much potassium. That is possible and the effects are just as dangerous as those of too little. Granted, it shouldn't be a problem even with excessive supplementation (because the excess will just be excreted by the kidneys--assuming no kidney problems). I still don't like supplementing without concrete evidence of a need.
This. When I say I've never had keto flu, I don't mean I use supplements. My RD set out clear guidelines of things to include in my diet to keep those levels up automatically. I do keep them on hand, as you mention, because my meds can cause those levels to dip once in a while even when I am being strict about including them in what I eat and drink.
@JPW1990 I'd love to know which items to include in your diet specifically to keep the levels up. I hate taking supplements I don't need, but I can tell so far that I'm not getting everything I need... So, please share, if you will. TIA!
My big one is avocado, that's almost every day, and I use it for everything from a side dish to a mayo substitute. Spinach and fish, too. Those cover potassium and magnesium. Mushrooms and celery add more potassium, flax and nuts (I usually do pecans and peanut butter) add more magnesium. Now, with that said, since the advent of water flavorings, I don't have to be as careful as I used to. It's good because I eat flax, but I don't really like it much, so the less I have to, the better. Most of the water drops have one or the other or both, potassium and magnesium. Before those came along, I also used salt substitute for similar reasons.
My meals have been weird lately, since I'm still getting over being sick, but normally, avocado, mushroom and spinach are daily, tuna several times a week, with pecans chopped in the tuna salad. Celery and pb often get thrown in as a snack or light dinner.
The thing I have to be the most careful of is sodium, but that's because I have to walk the line between having enough for keto, while not having so much that I make my circulation issues worse. I do 99% of my cooking at home because of an allergy issue, so that makes it a lot easier for me to control it.
No concerns about spinach toxicity, @JPW1990? When I was researching smoothies (a little while back), all research showed to switch up your greens each week so as not to build up to toxic levels on certain things. Spinach was one of the worst offenders. I don't remember which vitamin/mineral it was, just that having spinach every day isn't considered to be healthy...
Nope, none of my doctors or the dietician ever mentioned it. Actually, just got new blood work back this morning and everything was perfect (new doctor, she seems surprised, I was kinda offended
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If I needed 75g a day to keep my brain alive, someone has some explaining to do. LOL
You'll get plenty of glucose for your brain even if you eat absolutely no carbs (take my word for it). You body can make it from the fat and protein you're eating.
Edit: I average <2 grams a day of dietary carbs and have for months. Still not brain-dead.0 -
My dietitian practically scolded me to up my carbs when I had them lower than 25% saying I needed at least 75g a day for brain function.
I'm not sure how true is this. I really would rather have them lower than 25% maybe around 15-20%. I lost a lot of weight when in my 20s following Atkins so I know it works.
It's very not true, ask them to explain why they Inuits are still alive when they eat 0 carbs.0 -
If I needed 75g a day to keep my brain alive, someone has some explaining to do. LOL
You'll get plenty of glucose for your brain even if you eat absolutely no carbs (take my word for it). You body can make it from the fat and protein you're eating.
Edit: I average <2 grams a day of dietary carbs and have for months. Still not brain-dead.
Or, maybe we are all zombies and just don't know it?0 -
If I needed 75g a day to keep my brain alive, someone has some explaining to do. LOL
You'll get plenty of glucose for your brain even if you eat absolutely no carbs (take my word for it). You body can make it from the fat and protein you're eating.
Edit: I average <2 grams a day of dietary carbs and have for months. Still not brain-dead.
Or, maybe we are all zombies and just don't know it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l44GPln7ddsMy dietitian practically scolded me to up my carbs when I had them lower than 25% saying I needed at least 75g a day for brain function. I'm not sure how true is this. I really would rather have them lower than 25% maybe around 15-20%. I lost a lot of weight when in my 20s following Atkins so I know it works.
It's very not true, ask them to explain why they Inuits are still alive when they eat 0 carbs.
Actually, the estimates put them around 50g of carbs, between the sea vegetables, berries, and glycogen from fresh kills. Just FYI.0 -
I love that movie.0
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My dietitian practically scolded me to up my carbs when I had them lower than 25% saying I needed at least 75g a day for brain function. I'm not sure how true is this.
Grrrr. Dietitians are all "very conservative" (proof given C. Zinn talk) , and are rigidly trained to push 120g carbs a day..as Dragon (above post) explained you DO burn carb-glucose for brain fuel UNTIL you are in Keto…and then no harm, in fact MOST people feel a great sense of wellness and clarity away from carbs. The book GRAIN BRAIN explains this well.
the 2014 LowCarb In AU professional meeting shows 2 LCHF dietitians FIGHTING back so much negative press by their own Dietitian group.. they have been scorned constantly
Vicky Kuriel - 'Case Reports from an LCHF Dietician' is the better speaker (video below) , but see :Dr. Caryn Zinn - 'A Low Carb Dietitian's Perspective' also-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTj03O9PSX4&list=PLuMDPCITxYNikzTtN9OEjr80wnDuqGxXv 0 -
Thank you all for the info. Gives me peace of mind and brain lol to know I can eat LC and still function clearly. I personally feel much better physically eating LC, I experience none to little stomach issues, bloating and absolutely none of the dreadful "itis" (carb overload tiredness). So even if some ppl feel you really don't need to eliminate a food group to achieve weight lose, health wise eliminating carbs from my life makes mine a happier healthier one. 0
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Correction:
In my previous post I didnt mean eliminate carbs (100%) because Im doing LC. But for the most part eating LC has helped me.0 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »Also, I know most keto people continue to supplement potassium and magnesium after adaptation, just in case. I am not completely supportive of this. Heck, who are we kidding? I am anti-supplements 99% of the time. I just worry about too much potassium. That is possible and the effects are just as dangerous as those of too little. Granted, it shouldn't be a problem even with excessive supplementation (because the excess will just be excreted by the kidneys--assuming no kidney problems). I still don't like supplementing without concrete evidence of a need.
This. When I say I've never had keto flu, I don't mean I use supplements. My RD set out clear guidelines of things to include in my diet to keep those levels up automatically. I do keep them on hand, as you mention, because my meds can cause those levels to dip once in a while even when I am being strict about including them in what I eat and drink.
@JPW1990 I'd love to know which items to include in your diet specifically to keep the levels up. I hate taking supplements I don't need, but I can tell so far that I'm not getting everything I need... So, please share, if you will. TIA!
My big one is avocado, that's almost every day, and I use it for everything from a side dish to a mayo substitute. Spinach and fish, too. Those cover potassium and magnesium. Mushrooms and celery add more potassium, flax and nuts (I usually do pecans and peanut butter) add more magnesium. Now, with that said, since the advent of water flavorings, I don't have to be as careful as I used to. It's good because I eat flax, but I don't really like it much, so the less I have to, the better. Most of the water drops have one or the other or both, potassium and magnesium. Before those came along, I also used salt substitute for similar reasons.
My meals have been weird lately, since I'm still getting over being sick, but normally, avocado, mushroom and spinach are daily, tuna several times a week, with pecans chopped in the tuna salad. Celery and pb often get thrown in as a snack or light dinner.
The thing I have to be the most careful of is sodium, but that's because I have to walk the line between having enough for keto, while not having so much that I make my circulation issues worse. I do 99% of my cooking at home because of an allergy issue, so that makes it a lot easier for me to control it.
No concerns about spinach toxicity, @JPW1990? When I was researching smoothies (a little while back), all research showed to switch up your greens each week so as not to build up to toxic levels on certain things. Spinach was one of the worst offenders. I don't remember which vitamin/mineral it was, just that having spinach every day isn't considered to be healthy...
Nope, none of my doctors or the dietician ever mentioned it. Actually, just got new blood work back this morning and everything was perfect (new doctor, she seems surprised, I was kinda offended )
Yeah, doctors being shocked does offend. It's like, judge a book by it's cover, MUCH?0 -
Correction:
In my previous post I didnt mean eliminate carbs (100%) because Im doing LC. But for the most part eating LC has helped me.
I'm finding the same thing. To maintain even a lowish non-keto carb intake, that means zero junk food and no grains. Pretty much just veggies and nuts for me. The stuff we evolved to eat.
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