How low is too low for blood sugar?
jerryellis63012
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Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
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Normal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.0
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That's wonderful that your sugars have come down that low (as long as that's your fasting BS)! I'm type II, as well.
The following is found at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html
Before a meal (preprandial plasma glucose): 70–130 mg/dl
1-2 hours after beginning of the meal (Postprandial plasma glucose)*: Less than 180 mg/dl - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html#sthash.578VigLl.dpuf0 -
if you're ketogenic you may be happy at lower BG levels as ketones provide an alternate brain fuel.0
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Yes, those numbers are pretty normal.0
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I feel great! I haven't taken my meds since after the first week with lowered carbs and my numbers have been great every time I checkNormal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.
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That's wonderful that your sugars have come down that low (as long as that's your fasting BS)! I'm type II, as well.
The following is found at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html
Before a meal (preprandial plasma glucose): 70–130 mg/dl
1-2 hours after beginning of the meal (Postprandial plasma glucose)*: Less than 180 mg/dl - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html#sthash.578VigLl.dpuf
The 78 number was what I got an hour after eating 2 hard boiled eggs with avocado and mayo, so very happy that it's staying low even after eating! 86 was yesterday morning's fasting number.0 -
That's wonderful that your sugars have come down that low (as long as that's your fasting BS)! I'm type II, as well.
The following is found at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html
Before a meal (preprandial plasma glucose): 70–130 mg/dl
1-2 hours after beginning of the meal (Postprandial plasma glucose)*: Less than 180 mg/dl - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html#sthash.578VigLl.dpuf
One thing to note, those numbers are for diabetics on a USDA/SAD type diet, which tends to be quite a bit higher in carbs (something along the lines of 120-250g, based on the meal/snack numbers, IIRC).
The ideal numbers for people are more like 60-99 in a fasting state, and up to 120-140 postprandial (depending on your source; ADA says 140, but research has been showing that 120 is better and 140 is indicative of future Diabetes; there's also evidence that 80+ in fasting nondiabetics is indicative of future Diabetes and other health issues, as well).
In any case, 60 is about as low as you want to go. As a diabetic, you may even want to take action a little higher than that, to avoid dropping below 60. 78-86 is just about perfect for anyone.0 -
jerryellis63012 wrote: »That's wonderful that your sugars have come down that low (as long as that's your fasting BS)! I'm type II, as well.
The following is found at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html
Before a meal (preprandial plasma glucose): 70–130 mg/dl
1-2 hours after beginning of the meal (Postprandial plasma glucose)*: Less than 180 mg/dl - See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/checking-your-blood-glucose.html#sthash.578VigLl.dpuf
The 78 number was what I got an hour after eating 2 hard boiled eggs with avocado and mayo, so very happy that it's staying low even after eating! 86 was yesterday morning's fasting number.
Awesome! Sounds about right for having a snack where carbs are pretty much nonexistent! You might want to do a reading before eating, just to make sure your number's still within range, but that post food number is great!0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »
One thing to note, those numbers are for diabetics on a USDA/SAD type diet, which tends to be quite a bit higher in carbs (something along the lines of 120-250g, based on the meal/snack numbers, IIRC).
The ideal numbers for people are more like 60-99 in a fasting state, and up to 120-140 postprandial (depending on your source; ADA says 140, but research has been showing that 120 is better and 140 is indicative of future Diabetes; there's also evidence that 80+ in fasting nondiabetics is indicative of future Diabetes and other health issues, as well).
In any case, 60 is about as low as you want to go. As a diabetic, you may even want to take action a little higher than that, to avoid dropping below 60. 78-86 is just about perfect for anyone.
Interesting. Didn't know that. TFS
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jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
I hope this helps,
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I personally start to feel a little iffy below 70. (I'm not diabetic but I did have gestational diabetes with my youngest 4 years ago so I still have a meter.) Sleepy and cold but not yet shaky or anything. YAWN! So I eat something. I just did this btw. I was feeling the hibernation mode, so I was curious, and I tested. Yep, 69. It's annoying.
I don't do this every day, but it's still annoying. It's 70deg in here, and I feel like I need a jacket and a nap.0 -
jerryellis63012 wrote: »
I feel great! I haven't taken my meds since after the first week with lowered carbs and my numbers have been great every time I checkNormal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
My Blog: Intermittent Water Fasting & Keto
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He says he hasn't taken his meds after the first week of lower carbs. Not sure what meds, but I would think is it wise to check in with your doctor when starting/stopping medication for diabetes. I also want to note that metformin for most people does not directly affect blood sugar levels, and is safe to continue on a low carb or very low carb (ketogenic) diet. I don't even have diabetes (I have PCOS with insulin resistance) and I take it, as it has a number of health benefits.0 -
jerryellis63012 wrote: »...I would think is it wise to check in with your doctor when starting/stopping medication for diabetes. I also want to note that metformin for most people does not directly affect blood sugar levels, and is safe to continue on a low carb or very low carb (ketogenic) diet. I don't even have diabetes (I have PCOS with insulin resistance) and I take it, as it has a number of health benefits.
@ Mistizoom could you please elaborate on the benefits you feel from metformin?
My doctor and endo both want me to take it but I'm very weary of medication and avoid it if at all possible. I did take metformin for a week or so after being diagnosed diabetic but felt depressed and it didn't have a noticeable effect on my blood sugar levels so I stopped. The effect I have just from eating LCHF is much greater and my mood is better too.
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Here's one article on benefits of metformin: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/280725.php
I will look for more later, my lunch break just ended.
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Here's one article on benefits of metformin: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/280725.php
I will look for more later, my lunch break just ended.
Thank you. Interesting, I may give it another go.0 -
jerryellis63012 wrote: »
I feel great! I haven't taken my meds since after the first week with lowered carbs and my numbers have been great every time I checkNormal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
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He says he hasn't taken his meds after the first week of lower carbs. Not sure what meds, but I would think is it wise to check in with your doctor when starting/stopping medication for diabetes. I also want to note that metformin for most people does not directly affect blood sugar levels, and is safe to continue on a low carb or very low carb (ketogenic) diet. I don't even have diabetes (I have PCOS with insulin resistance) and I take it, as it has a number of health benefits.
Sorry Misti, in my haste (at lunch) ~ I missed that. Now I see it.
I, also, would recommend Metformin, (that's the only one I take now). Metformin helps with insulin resisitance.
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jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
My Blog: Intermittent Water Fasting & Keto
Blog #9 Fasting, Diabetic ~ Glucose/Sugar Levels
What If We're Wrong about Diabetes? Peter Attia
My Blog: It's Ketogenic or Bariatric (How I found the Ketogenic Diet)
Keto Abbreviations, Acronyms & Terminology Used in LCD & Keto Discussion Groups
I stopped taking metformin about a month ago, so no meds at all! Thanks for the info tho!0 -
jerryellis63012 wrote: »
I feel great! I haven't taken my meds since after the first week with lowered carbs and my numbers have been great every time I checkNormal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
My Blog: Intermittent Water Fasting & Keto
Blog #9 Fasting, Diabetic ~ Glucose/Sugar Levels
What If We're Wrong about Diabetes? Peter Attia
My Blog: It's Ketogenic or Bariatric (How I found the Ketogenic Diet)
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He says he hasn't taken his meds after the first week of lower carbs. Not sure what meds, but I would think is it wise to check in with your doctor when starting/stopping medication for diabetes. I also want to note that metformin for most people does not directly affect blood sugar levels, and is safe to continue on a low carb or very low carb (ketogenic) diet. I don't even have diabetes (I have PCOS with insulin resistance) and I take it, as it has a number of health benefits.
It's side effect for me was IBS worse than with just carbs, I could try again to see what happens I guess0 -
jerryellis63012 wrote: »jerryellis63012 wrote: »
I feel great! I haven't taken my meds since after the first week with lowered carbs and my numbers have been great every time I checkNormal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
My Blog: Intermittent Water Fasting & Keto
Blog #9 Fasting, Diabetic ~ Glucose/Sugar Levels
What If We're Wrong about Diabetes? Peter Attia
My Blog: It's Ketogenic or Bariatric (How I found the Ketogenic Diet)
Keto Abbreviations, Acronyms & Terminology Used in LCD & Keto Discussion Groups
He says he hasn't taken his meds after the first week of lower carbs. Not sure what meds, but I would think is it wise to check in with your doctor when starting/stopping medication for diabetes. I also want to note that metformin for most people does not directly affect blood sugar levels, and is safe to continue on a low carb or very low carb (ketogenic) diet. I don't even have diabetes (I have PCOS with insulin resistance) and I take it, as it has a number of health benefits.
It's side effect for me was IBS worse than with just carbs, I could try again to see what happens I guess
You mean gastric upset from the metformin? Did you try the ER/XR (extended release) version or just the regular? All my gastric symptoms went away as soon as I switched to ER. I also had IBS prior to starting low carb so I got a double whammy with the regular metformin. I have had no side effects with the metformin ER, however, and low carb cured my IBS.0 -
Ok, here's kind of a interesting study about metformin: http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/3/6/e001202.full
It says mice given metformin lost weight and had less atherosclerosis than control mice. The kicker is they gave the mice getting metformin a high fat diet (it had plenty of crappy ingredients though it did have cocoa butter and coconut oil also). But they gave the "control" mice a low fat diet! They did this in trying to figure out a mechanism of action, but my first thought was that it is very possible the high fat diet itself that helped! Of course their thought process is because a high fat diet is "bad" for certain markers indicating heart disease in mice, a high fat diet should make it even harder for the metformin group to show results.
Edited: Looking a little closer they did compare High fat alone with High fat plus metformin - that's good. And they did show the metformin group had less plaque in the arteries then the high fat diet alone. So I guess this is a positive for metformin use.0 -
The Blood Sugar 101 website had a lot of links with metformin info as well: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045911.php
Towards the bottom of the page are links to studies showing metformin may be protective for cancer, heart disease, and "lowers risk of all kinds of fatal outcomes."0 -
I mean pretty severe diarrhea, but did not try XRjerryellis63012 wrote: »jerryellis63012 wrote: »
I feel great! I haven't taken my meds since after the first week with lowered carbs and my numbers have been great every time I checkNormal blood sugar is less than 100, usually 70-100 for non-diabetics. How do you feel? That's the important part. A lot of type 2 diabetics are able to reduce or come off their meds with LCHF, on the advice of their doctor of course.jerryellis63012 wrote: »Since starting LCHF, really tracking it like I should, I'm down 4 lbs since last week (yay!) And my blood sugar is reading between 78 and 86, I'm type 2 diabetic, is this considered safe?
Those are good numbers. But no one queried you about diabetic drugs? Are you taking any? If so, which ones, what dosage/frequency?
When you eleminate carbs from your diet, diabetic drugs will lower your BG levels. So, I would test often. Below 60, your will start "going low", (hypoglycemic) which makes you have a lot of not so good maladies that start. Google it. If you are taking insulin, that REALLY has to be watched, you could go so low as to pass out/coma/die.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
My Blog: Intermittent Water Fasting & Keto
Blog #9 Fasting, Diabetic ~ Glucose/Sugar Levels
What If We're Wrong about Diabetes? Peter Attia
My Blog: It's Ketogenic or Bariatric (How I found the Ketogenic Diet)
Keto Abbreviations, Acronyms & Terminology Used in LCD & Keto Discussion Groups
He says he hasn't taken his meds after the first week of lower carbs. Not sure what meds, but I would think is it wise to check in with your doctor when starting/stopping medication for diabetes. I also want to note that metformin for most people does not directly affect blood sugar levels, and is safe to continue on a low carb or very low carb (ketogenic) diet. I don't even have diabetes (I have PCOS with insulin resistance) and I take it, as it has a number of health benefits.
It's side effect for me was IBS worse than with just carbs, I could try again to see what happens I guess
You mean gastric upset from the metformin? Did you try the ER/XR (extended release) version or just the regular? All my gastric symptoms went away as soon as I switched to ER. I also had IBS prior to starting low carb so I got a double whammy with the regular metformin. I have had no side effects with the metformin ER, however, and low carb cured my IBS.
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Ok, here's kind of a interesting study about metformin: http://jaha.ahajournals.org/content/3/6/e001202.full
It says mice given metformin lost weight and had less atherosclerosis than control mice. The kicker is they gave the mice getting metformin a high fat diet (it had plenty of crappy ingredients though it did have cocoa butter and coconut oil also). But they gave the "control" mice a low fat diet! They did this in trying to figure out a mechanism of action, but my first thought was that it is very possible the high fat diet itself that helped! Of course their thought process is because a high fat diet is "bad" for certain markers indicating heart disease in mice, a high fat diet should make it even harder for the metformin group to show results.
Edited: Looking a little closer they did compare High fat alone with High fat plus metformin - that's good. And they did show the metformin group had less plaque in the arteries then the high fat diet alone. So I guess this is a positive for metformin use.
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jerryellis63012 wrote: »I mean pretty severe diarrhea, but did not try XR
Myself & every diabetic friend of mine that starts on Metformin gets diarrhea. It usually goes away in 2-3 days. Sometimes, when I would accidently run out of it for a few days, then start back, I get diarrhea all over again. After talking to my doc & endo, they say that happens a lot. But they say to keep taking it...
And the ER Misti suggests, mitigates the diarrhea.
I hope this helps,
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My blood glucose has been as low as 3.6mmol (64.8 mg/dl) without ill effects. Without Ketones that would be almost hypoglycaemic.
The optimal for keto is around 80mg/dl (4.4mmol) or less which really gives ketones a chance to be used. I'm talking fasted levels of course.
BTW, I'm not diabetic. I use the glucometer for fun and science! 0 -
If you're feeling well, I wouldn't take it. BUT--you should see your doctor and have him check your A!C, etc. Apparently you didn't take the metformin very long, so you shouldn't have much of a reaction to going off it. Congratulations!
Do let your doctor monitor your progress, and I hope you have an enlightened doctor. If you have readings below 60 often, check with an endocrinologist for LC with/without meds. Just to be safe. (and maybe even to educate the doctors?)0 -
This morning's fasting number was 80 so, I guess I'm in Ketosis, haven't got around to getting the sticks for testing, but, really, are they necessary if I'm testing so low all the time?
Also what I'm hearing from you guys is I won't crash from taking Metformin while being Ketonic? I read the article that stated diabetics and even non diabetics can benefit with a longer life span just by taking Metformin, too.
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I saw a glucose monitor on sale at the drug store and my terrific pharmacist (who knows that I'm insulin resistant and on 2000 mg Metformin/day) helped me set it up, explained how it works, and even helped me with my first stick - before lunch with a 82 reading. Still need to read up on this, and hope it isn't "overkill" or hypochondria that has me interested in doing this. He suggested just doing a reading maybe 2-3 times a week, when I first awake. Forgot to ask about whether it's best to also monitor a reading after a meal. Lots to learn.0
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82 is great. Check a couple hours after eating a decent sized meal like lunch or dinner (no exercise after lunch/dinner). Somewhere over 150-160 (this number is controversial) would mean you are diabetic. If you are lo-carbing it, you're probably just fine and will not hit 160.
The much better test for BG levels is the Hc1a test. Next time you get blood work, ask your doctor to check that. If you were never a diabetic, under 6 is good, under 5 excellent.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
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