"Memories" & old toxins in Fat Cells?
Twibbly
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Has anybody heard the theory that your fat cells hold old toxins and "memories" of when you've been sick that are released as you lose fat?
I'm just wondering because every single time I start losing weight, I get respiratory crud within a few weeks, and I can't figure out why. Back 8 or 9 years, before I went GF, and probably around when I reached my current weight, I had recurring sinus infections and bronchitis like crazy.
For now, I'm chugging water and coffee and broth a bit later, taking allergy meds and Mucinex.
I'm just wondering because every single time I start losing weight, I get respiratory crud within a few weeks, and I can't figure out why. Back 8 or 9 years, before I went GF, and probably around when I reached my current weight, I had recurring sinus infections and bronchitis like crazy.
For now, I'm chugging water and coffee and broth a bit later, taking allergy meds and Mucinex.
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Your hair can be used for drug testing.
No idea on fat cells and trace chemicals.
On would wonder about the quantity needed as well.
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GrannyMayOz had this same theory, and I agree with both of you @Twibbly. I think we experience whatever is stored in the fat cells that we are burning. No data to base it on other than personal experiences though. If the estrogen stored there can affect us, then why not? That's why I think my headaches will be the last thing to get better. I've had them the longest so they will take the longest for my body to get rid of. If that makes sense.0
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GrannyMayOz had this same theory, and I agree with both of you @Twibbly. I think we experience whatever is stored in the fat cells that we are burning. No data to base it on other than personal experiences though. If the estrogen stored there can affect us, then why not? That's why I think my headaches will be the last thing to get better. I've had them the longest so they will take the longest for my body to get rid of. If that makes sense.
This makes me wonder if I'll end up having respiratory crud until I'm done losing weight, since I had it all my life pretty much...0 -
I'm in the same boat respiratory wise, haven't had a sinus infection in a decade and got a nasty one about a month in. I suspect that my immune system is down from going through weight loss, not sure if that actually happens but I think eating at a deficit and losing fat puts added strain on your body till you adjust.
Though I remember being taught as a teenager that thc was stored in fat and could be released years from then and affect you. I have a feeling that was a scare tactic to get us to not smoke weed. It didn't work and some days when I'm feeling particularly zen I think 'oh must be that thc releasing from my fat'
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http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/EnvironmentalHealth/22080
Environmental pollutants trapped in fat cells could be released back into circulation when people shed a lot of weight, researchers said.
But I think the sinus issues could be from low-carb and not released fat. Reducing carb intake affects the diet of bacteria and fungi. You also have may less mucus formation, since mucus is made from glycoproteins (glcyo = sugar).0 -
Well I was going to come and say 'yes, I believe that' but I see I've already been dobbed in LOL I also believe it can happen that we can get cravings for things we haven't eaten in ages when 'that portion of fat' is released by the body. As if your body is picking up what that fat was stored from - minute chemical traces? - and it reminds you of eating that food and suddenly you want some.
I had a permanent sinus condition, runny nose, and often sore throats for the first 30 or so years of my life. So far they have not recurred as I've lost weight this time. Occasionally I'll feel as if I'm going to have a cold/flu but the next morning, so far, I've been happy and healthy again. I hope this will be true for you Twibbly and Auntstephie.0 -
I hope this doesn't happen to me. Another give pounds and I'll be the weight that i was hospitalized for three weeks at. ..0
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I'm sure it won't SweetTea. I reckon our bodies are pretty smart and/or the chances of losing all the exact fat cells laid down at that time, all at the same moment, to overdose you, are pretty slim.0
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I have heard something similar about massages, that they can release toxins and also emotional memories stored in the muscles. I thought it was hooey until I had a massage and I felt so out of sorts for hours (could never pinpoint what I was feeling - but it was emotional).0
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I had that too @greenautumn17 If I expected any emotional release I'd have thought it would be tears or anger (from childhood, not adulthood). It was the total opposite, I was laughing. Felt really strange, but obviously good. I'm sorry your response made you miserable.0
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Yeah, when my bf had a deep tissue massage he got extremely sick afterwards... hospital said it was dehydration, which is common after deep tissue massages. But he had also been REALLY stressed out and I think the massage released a lot of that stress. Hit him like a ton of bricks. I totally believe exercise, fat loss, massages, whatever lol, releases more than the physical.0
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I've studied and worked with both Bowen Therapy and Therapeutic Massage. Many, many clients would feel emotional after treatment. Especially Bowen Therapy.
There were so many different responses. Some clients would be really light headed and would need a rest and a cup of tea before I'd let them drive away. Some would break down into tears and also need a rest and a cup of tea before they drove away. Some would be fresh, alert, energised and euphoric. Others reported to me that they drove home and then slept like a log for hours. My sister in particular would climb off the treatment table, lie down on my couch and sleep for hours. I knew how my regular clients reacted so I could schedule extra time or treat them at the end of my shift to give them time to recover. While we might not understand exactly why it happens, the body definitely has emotional and physical responses to treatments. I've seen it happen. Repeatedly.
Let me throw another log into this fire. These treatments dilate blood vessels and stimulate the lymphatic system. This enables more blood to flow bring nutrients, oxygen and hydration into the areas that have been treated and also removing more cellular waste which causes loss of hydration as well. I believe that increased body fat restricts the lymphatic system and some blood vessels just because there isn't enough space. Therefore, as body fat decreases, blood and lymphatic flow increases and this affects our bodies also.
Hydration, applied heat (even a hot shower) and rest is very important. Give your body a chance to deal with the changes and be gentle with yourself.
The body is a complicated bio computer. Much of how it works is still a mystery. Quantum science is pioneering investigation on an atomic level. I'm sure that future studies will shed light on many of those mysteries.
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My naturopathic doctor has been telling me this for years...so far I've found it to be true. Every time I lose weight I usually go through periods of sickness every time I break through a plateau. I also can feel the hormonal shift when I lose weight too.
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It might be time for me to go to a doctor tomorrow. Still coughing this morning, and starting to produce lovely dark yellow gook, bit mostly non-productive.
Grrrr. I hate having crud.0 -
For years before LCHF I did feel worse when losing weight and less pain when gaining weight and yes that is subjective data.
I want to keep losing weight over time until my visceral fat decreases so I do not look like I swallowed a basketball even if that means I over shoot the weight I want to maintain at by 10 pounds initially. Fat that develops while on LCHF would not concern me as bad as old fat from the bad eating era.
When heavy people get sick and have a crashing weight loss IF there are stored toxins being released it would seem these toxins would add to the negative load already on the body of such a person?
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It might be time for me to go to a doctor tomorrow. Still coughing this morning, and starting to produce lovely dark yellow gook, bit mostly non-productive.
Grrrr. I hate having crud.
That was me last week, it was awful. Some sort of bug going around plus a sinus infection. Went on abx and noise spray, still have a bit of dry cough.
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@Sajyana When I have a massage or Bowen and they get to my back I find that I breathe really hard and deeply, do you have any idea why? My Bowen therapist looked worried (so it seems) but David was there, and knew all was fine because he's my massage therapist. He told her "It's OK, she does that" and she carried on.
@Twibbly I hope you get better really soon.
@Gale I'd say you're probably right. And very sad for the larger person when extra toxins are the last thing they need
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I just google searches this topic
It has a scientific basis.
It also seems to have a huge profiteering marketing hype.
I can see where it needs more research.
I also have been a fan of a good sauna 3-4 times a week to sweat out salt and skin cleanse.
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Seems that is a folklore way to help swear out these impurities the body stores in fat when we lose weight
So no skipping the sauna today!!
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*ponders*
$10 gets me a day pass to the gym with a sauna here.
Or I could be a good broke person and just lay on the trampoline in the sun.0 -
Oh, and now I have to look up Bowen therapy. 0
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Drank 3 big mugs of broth, 1.5L water, and took Mucinex, Sudafed, and Zyrtec.
Nuke it from orbit, only way to be sure.0 -
Well I finished 20 mins in the sauna
2.7 lbs of the water weight I had this morning from my leg workout went away
Hmmm
Maybe I will do sauna day after leg day. One time does not make a sure thing but it did feel good to relax and sweat it out.
Only problem is I feel an afternoon nap coming on.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »When heavy people get sick and have a crashing weight loss IF there are stored toxins being released it would seem these toxins would add to the negative load already on the body of such a person?
Very likely. This is an interesting discussion marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread10429.html.GrannyMayOz wrote: »@Sajyana When I have a massage or Bowen and they get to my back I find that I breathe really hard and deeply, do you have any idea why? My Bowen therapist looked worried (so it seems) but David was there, and knew all was fine because he's my massage therapist. He told her "It's OK, she does that" and she carried on.
Without actually seeing what happens I would venture that the muscles around your lungs are loosening, making way for greater lung expansion, and your body responds by breathing more deeply. When I get a massage I find that increased pressure on my back muscles pushes more air out of my lungs and I respond with deeper breathing.
Either way, deep breathing is great for you lungs and body and a positive thing.
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@Sajyana thanks for the link.0
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Without actually seeing what happens I would venture that the muscles around your lungs are loosening, making way for greater lung expansion, and your body responds by breathing more deeply. When I get a massage I find that increased pressure on my back muscles pushes more air out of my lungs and I respond with deeper breathing.
Either way, deep breathing is great for you lungs and body and a positive thing.
Oh wow, I hadn't thought of that. Makes every sense and yes, I tend to breathe way too shallow when I get the least bit tense. I hadn't put that together. I love knowledge, and sensible cause and effect. Thank you!!!
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Interesting about breathing more deeply. When I blow to check my actone output I notice I can blow longer and harder lately. My sternum has been bone hard for about 35 years so it is my belly that goes in and out when I breath. After being down nearly 50 pounds some of the visceral fat seems to have left giving me more room to breath deep it seems.0
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I remain skeptical that this could be something that causes illness. I think a far more likely scenario is that during periods of dieting you are under greater stress and you are potentially (although not always) getting less nutrients and this could make one a bit more likely to get ill.0
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@Gale that's fantastic to hear, wow! Yet another victory, and so good that you noticed!
@SideSteel we need both sides of every story. Balance, self testing, sensible discussion all make the world go around.0 -
I remain skeptical that this could be something that causes illness. I think a far more likely scenario is that during periods of dieting you are under greater stress and you are potentially (although not always) getting less nutrients and this could make one a bit more likely to get ill.
I have noticed when I go harder at cardio and limiting calories, I am burning more body fat and my skin breaks out. It is the old fat in using for fuel.
I have had illness during fat loss. I always kept enough alcohol in my system back then to get sick
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professionalHobbyist wrote: »I am burning more body fat and my skin breaks out.
You'll see a lot of athletes (with very little body fat) with acne. I think it's probably due to skin irritation from sweat.
My skin has cleared up as I lose weight. In my case, probably due to less insulin and IGF.
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