"Memories" & old toxins in Fat Cells?
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I don't know the answers but I'm now seriously considering a trip to the beauty college in my city. Their massages are a percentage of what fully trained therapists cost. I don't mind being a guinea pig and I can't afford the real stuff. I don't know about toxins but a message sure sounds nice.0
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@Sajyana.....another Bowen Therapist Yaaaaaay! I was in the 2nd lot of students in the UK back in 1994! I was trained by Ozzie and Elaine (formidable lady on first impression,lol) It's so rare for me to come across anyone who has even heard of Bowen Therapy let alone being a practitioner too! Dubai wont licence me to practice here sadly so ..its just quietly done!
One of the most effective treatments I have ever had the pleasure to give and I totally agree with your description of the effects a treatment can have and the release that can happen. I have experienced it myself!
Never underestimate the effect that emotion can have on release and holding of fat! In many cases it was emotions that drove us to overeat in the first place so it makes sense that losing weight can trigger an emotional release or an emotional release somehow is needed to allow more fat loss.0 -
Y'all are making me think I need to run to get a massage. I actually made an appointment several years ago but cancelled it b/c of embarrassment about all my fat. Just couldn't face the humiliation. So would a therapist say "ewww, sorry, get out of here?"0
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Not if they were professional! They would think...how can I best help this lady/man. Do it! You never know what might result!
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I haven't been sick. I'm definitely burning fat, and the scale is now dropping.0
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I haven't been sick. I'm definitely burning fat, and the scale is now dropping.
I haven't been sick either. Not even the "Keto flu". Every body is different.jumanajane wrote: »@Sajyana.....another Bowen Therapist Yaaaaaay! I was in the 2nd lot of students in the UK back in 1994! I was trained by Ozzie and Elaine (formidable lady on first impression,lol) It's so rare for me to come across anyone who has even heard of Bowen Therapy let alone being a practitioner too! Dubai wont licence me to practice here sadly so ..its just quietly done!
One of the most effective treatments I have ever had the pleasure to give and I totally agree with your description of the effects a treatment can have and the release that can happen. I have experienced it myself!
Never underestimate the effect that emotion can have on release and holding of fat! In many cases it was emotions that drove us to overeat in the first place so it makes sense that losing weight can trigger an emotional release or an emotional release somehow is needed to allow more fat loss.
I learnt in 1994 as well. I lived in Sydney and did my certification with Elaine and Ozzie. I agree about effectiveness. Even die hard skeptics have been impressed. I did have professional membership and rebates for health insurance too. Then I changed tack in 2000 and decided to get married and start a family. I didn't want the added work of continuing the business so I stopped altogether and just work casually on friends and family.
Getting a massage from a student is a great way to go. It should be fully supervised and when I was training I was giving them away to get my practice hours up. I had friends and family lining up to volunteer. As well as the beauty school check the schools that offer natural therapies and massage therapy training. Students are generally looking for bodies to practice on.wheatlessgirl66 wrote: »Y'all are making me think I need to run to get a massage. I actually made an appointment several years ago but cancelled it b/c of embarrassment about all my fat. Just couldn't face the humiliation. So would a therapist say "ewww, sorry, get out of here?"
All bodies are different. I've seen such a diversity over the years. A professional/student who really cares about what they are doing and have your best interests at heart will not gross out about your body. I know it isn't easy but after the first time, you'll feel much more comfortable.0 -
I've only had Bowen Therapy twice, but isn't it done with your clothes on? Mine was, and I just wanted to reassure Ellen (if that is the same practise everywhere). I sure understand the self-consciousness
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GrannyMayOz wrote: »I've only had Bowen Therapy twice, but isn't it done with your clothes on? Mine was, and I just wanted to reassure Ellen (if that is the same practise everywhere). I sure understand the self-consciousness
Yes, Bowen Therapy is done with clothes on as long as they are loose and light.
Massage isn't though.
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I've had massages all my life. I've never been disrespected and I've enjoyed them all. BUT at some point the massages stopped being a sensuous experience and became a treatment and I stopped being a woman looking for a relaxing moment and became a patient, even if the setting was a resort spa.
My one suggestion to make the first experience more comfortable to a larger person would be to take with you a robe or pool tunic to circulate around if needed (from changing rooms to waiting rooms or massage rooms). It's vexing to be handed a robe that is not big enough and then be told it is the larger they have. Ever since I was handed a sheet to cover myself I always take with me a light Japanese yukata. It is supposed to be a male design (had to be, because of the size) but I don't think anyone outside of Japan knows the difference. Instead of an embarrassing moment people now comment how beautiful it is (and I am thoroughly and comfortably covered).
I look forward to when a massage will again be mostly about pleasure.0 -
KetoGirl83 I had the same thing happen concerning acupuncture this year when I realized I did not even want to be on the table after doing it for 8 years. My pain level has dropped so much and my health has improved so much over the last 8 months of full LCHF eating lifestyle. I still look forward to message and chiropractic care.
Leaving off acupuncture will cover new supplements cost for the entire family.0 -
This is such a wonderful thread full of good information as well as anecdotal evidence. I also never heard of Bowen Therapy. Interesting.
Manipulative treatments are such a great release when you get the right one applied. Last Thursday I had a full on spa massage with a lady who took my treatment seriously. I have bruises all over, but that's only because I bruise VERY easily and needed a lot of body work done. This particular spa always has extra tea and water offered before and after treatments. I love that. I get water before and after, and herbal lemon ginger tea with no sweetener. Last Thursday I remember coming out feeling so relaxed that I had to sit down for a few and sip my tea. I told the ladies in the waiting room that I was under the influence of spa, and wasn't yet safe to drive. hehe
Most massage places I go to offer water, and stress the importance of hydration afterwards.
If I could afford it, I'd have treatments at least once a week. There was a place in Houston I went that IS actually almost affordable on a weekly basis! It's actually one of those "Asian foot massage" places, to simplify things. They do foot reflexology, but they ALSO lay you on a fully reclinable chair and, with your clothes on, will work on your whole body. I tell you what, it was really weird the first time these ladies put their fingers under my brow ridge and in my ears, but it did feel pretty good. For only $30 for an hour, wow. Yeah, they delivered.
Oh yeah, regarding your size or body issues when getting a massage, they always say at the spas I go to that you should "undress to your level of comfort." Most practice careful draping as well, so your body is ALWAYS COVERED, except for the part that's being worked on. I did have one weird experience where the lady's draping technique really sucked and I always felt a draft on my tush whenever she shifted the sheet, though...
But nobody has EVER commented on my body. Not the weird bruises. Not the weird zig-zag where my spine goes all crooked. Nothing. All they ever say is, "Ooh, it's tight right here. Does this hurt? Is my pressure ok?"
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IMO, I don't think fat is «storing toxins». It just sounds a bit too convenient an explanation for all sorts of vague bodily ailing.
However, I do believe that the body is like a harddisc that «records» everything that happens to us, both physically and psychologically. I have personally experienced surpressed memories resurface when the body was put into similar situations, connecting to muscle memory.
Massage and other therapies (including foamrolling!) that involves trigger points can release emotions that you're unaware of. This is a field where the boundaries between what's «physical» and «psychological» are blurred, because to the body it's a complex and compound issue: As far as I've understood it, trigger points are knots in tissue where the bloodflow is restricted. Meaning the tissue around the knot has impaired nutrient delivery. These knots most often start growing when overly tensing muscles (stress shoulders etc).
In other words, things are working less optimal if you have VERY much of tense muscles. How can you tell? If it's «hard» when touching or pressing, it's contracting when it's NOT supposed to. We all have these to some degree, don't worry. But, if you notice you have elevated shoulders all the time, I would start addressing why you do that.
Learning how to both give muscles the resistance they like (exercise) AND then relaxing properly after is an investment in future health. For ME, sauna is probably the fastest and most efficient way to tell the muscles the workout is over. There isn't always time and room, but it works faster than stretching, 15 mins is enough. I also think that learning how to breathe with tummy when «relaxed» is very underrated. Just my thoughts on the original question in this thread.
TL;DR Surpressing unwanted feelings can often lead to stress, which affects the body.0 -
Foamroller wrote: »IMO, I don't think fat is «storing toxins». It just sounds a bit too convenient an explanation for all sorts of vague bodily ailing.
Toxins are fat soluble and stored in fat cells. abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/09/08/3005218.htm
This web page has other references listed. burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/342.cfm
Tight muscles also store body wastes/toxins as the decreased blood flow to the area decreases the rate at which they are removed from those tissues.
Either way a massage or other body treatment is beneficial to the body and the spirit. 0 -
Foamroller wrote: »IMO, I don't think fat is «storing toxins». It just sounds a bit too convenient an explanation for all sorts of vague bodily ailing.
Toxins are fat soluble and stored in fat cells. abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/09/08/3005218.htm
This web page has other references listed. burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/342.cfm
Tight muscles also store body wastes/toxins as the decreased blood flow to the area decreases the rate at which they are removed from those tissues.
Either way a massage or other body treatment is beneficial to the body and the spirit.
I'm sorry. That was a very poor article:Previous studies have shown a link between weight loss and an increased risk of medical conditions such as cardiovascular disease and dementia in some people, they argue.
The article states the above. Which, I believe, has very much stronger data for the opposite conclusion, namely that weight loss is beneficial for CVD. No idea about dementia. An article that make such claims, I ignore as noise.
The article's main headline is based on a "study" that looked at OLD data of self-reported weight loss and then linked their conclusion to serum levels. Sounded more like they hunted for a finding.
Whether "toxins" are stored in serum or not...if it's true, it can't anyhow be THAT toxic. If it were, then very obese people would die off like flies. Please be a bit more critical to fearmongering headlines.
Good night.
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My interest is piqued.
I didn't have a lot of time yesterday so I thought I'd do some more digging around to find if there were any conclusive studies. I found this one that is an interesting read:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1614818/
The Environmental Protection Agency's National Human Adipose Tissue Survey measured dioxin and dibenzofuran levels in adipose tissue. This was quite a read and I have some others things to take care of today. My next exploration will be to see if I can unearth some studies into whether they are released when the adipose tissues decreases. The human body is amazing, I'm certain there is much we are yet to understand about it's working and I love learning about it.0 -
Sajyana since they found these chemicals stored in fat tissue one would expect they could be put back into circulation if the body was ever allowed to burn the fat/adipose tissue that had been stored in fat cells. Yes the human body is amazing.0
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