That's it, no dairy
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It isn't likely just lactose. Because even low lactose foods cause me issues. It is probably casein, but it doesn't matter. I am cutting it all. Just easier that way.0
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Fair enough. I'm avoiding dairy right now, too. I plan on reintroducing ghee in August, it's 99% pure dairy fat, and I've tolerated it well in the past so I'm hoping I can get back to it. I'm a Wisconsinite at heart, it just doesn't seem natural to not eat dairy
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Maybe I should watch drinking my heavy whipping cream directly out of the quart cartoon.0
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I have problems with dairy too but I can (and do) tolerate ghee. I was told that I could have American cheese or blue cheese but I find when I do that I eat too much of it so I don't. I'm with you FIT_Goat - I love love love cheese but my health is more important.
I took a Vermont and upstate NY cheese trip a few years ago and got a map for Wisconsin cheese farms - that's on my bucket list for someday hopefully...0 -
Pure dairy fat rarely bothers anyone. I could, if I wanted, include butter without concerns. I'm choosing to just keep things simple by not including any. I have always had issues with lactose, and I have probably also always had issues with casein. Oddly enough, I have been able to drink large amounts of heavy cream, a whole cup, with minimal side effects. That's probably because the amount of protein (4.9g) and carbs (6.6g) is minimal and buffered by the amount of fat (88.1g) in that amount.
Still, it's just easiest and most consistent to cut it all out. It's not like I haven't been just fine without dairy before. I usually last a week or two before I break. But, I will try for longer now. I'm going to bake more ribs today or tomorrow. Maybe I'll smoke them, but my wife likes them better baked. I have tons of ground beef and steak on hand. I'm actually doing just fine in the way of foods to eat. It will probably work out to save me money.0 -
dalansteiner wrote: »I have just been diagnosed with EoE and so have to cut out dairy, eggs, gluten, soy, tree nuts, and shellfish. So I am with you fit goat. And then some...
Did you have the skin prick test done and have all that stuff come back positive, or is it a 'just in case' kind of thing?0 -
Oh, woe is me! This is so hard. LOL
OK, actually, it's not bad at all. No cheese or dairy in the house anyway. This was tonight's dinner. Don't worry, it only looks cooked. The inside was exceptionally rare. No, I don't know how big it was. Somewhere above 12 oz. Just a little steak seasoning and served with some iced [black] coffee.0 -
I think that would be about my entire protein allotment for 2 days!
I don't know how you do it. I'd be hard-pressed to get my macros settled without dairy. I remember trying to figure out how I'd do it when I first started researching keto and just said to heck with it and dove right into a plate of fried cheese. And bacon. (This from lactose intolerant seafood "vegetarian" for a huge chunk of my life.)
I am curious, though - how are you ensuring that your fat percentages are higher than your proteins?
-T.
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I am curious, though - how are you ensuring that your fat percentages are higher than your proteins?
I'm not, but they will be. I don't track macros and I don't ensure anything. Experience tells me that it will all work out in the long run anyway, if I eat the types of meat I desire. Sometimes I want a leaner type of meat, but often I'll seek out a fattier one.
I could eat sirloin steak (which is way leaner than I prefer) all day and be fine. Sirloin (choice trimmed to 1/8" fat) is 14.3g of fat and 19.9g of protein (per 100g). That is 61.8% fat and 38.2% protein. That's also about as lean as I normally go.
Today worked out to roughly 2,300 calories (very rough estimate assuming a pound of 75/25 ground beef spread across brunch and a late lunch and a ~12 oz ribeye for dinner). The rough macros would be 187g of fat, 154g of protein (no carbs). That is 73.2% fat and 26.8% protein. Way more fat than protein. And, I was sure it would work out that way before I checked it just now.
I don't worry about macros and percentages. I've had days where I ended up eating nothing but two Disney turkey legs. That's obviously less than ideal (55.6% protein ~ 305g total), but as a single day thing, it's not a huge deal. I'll be unhappy and feel full but unsatisfied when I end up eating like that (actually when that happens, I usually end up with some mayo to dip the second leg in, although that vegetable oil is probably worse than excess protein). My natural preference is for fattier meats and to eat the fattest stuff I can get my hands on. That's usually enough to keep me in the 70% fat or higher range pretty easily.
Edit: To get more protein than fat, eating the amounts I do, I need to hit almost 300g in a single day. That's a LOT of lean meat. I lose interest in eating lean well before I hit that amount. I often would rather just not eat than continue to eat lean when I hit around 200g.0 -
Yep, it was grilled. The storm finally broke long enough for me to step outside and fire this baby. I am almost out of ribeye. Only two left. Then I have to work my way through 20ish pounds of chuck steaks. After that, it will depend on what's reasonably priced when I hit the stores.0
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That certainly puts things into perspective. Thanks!
-T.
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So far, day 5, scale weight is down 1.3 kg (~3 pounds). That's going to be water weight, mostly. It's only going to get me back to my standard weight, which was up a couple of kg from all the dairy. It takes a week or two for all the negative gains (from an extended dairy eating period) to go away.
Yeah, I know dairy makes me bloated and gain weight. Why do I have to love it so much?0 -
Has it really only been 9 days? ARG! Longest month ever!!!
But, I did survive 24 hours out of town and eating out. Those are my usual times to splurge on cheese and/or dairy.0 -
Good for you Goat !0
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I can see myself giving up dairy but I'd also quit coffee. No way can I handle black coffee. I'd rather do white tea first thing in the,mornings.
Excited to learn what your secret project is!0 -
The secret project isn't really low-carb related. And, I'm waiting to hear about it. It could be a while before anything comes of it. I don't want to talk about exactly what it is, only because I don't want it to fall through and then I have to explain why to everyone.0
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I am entering week 9 of no grains and no dairy. I don't miss the grains at all, but I sure do miss the dairy. I am putting coconut milk in my small morning coffee, and it just isn't the same. I miss cheese and yogurt too. I do feel better though. No more joint pain. I know it is worth it, so am hoping I just eventually get used to it.0
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No more joint pain!!! Wow that's huge! So happy for you Keemra!0
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I'm on day 3 of no dairy, because I haven't lost an ounce in 5 weeks! I was having too much HWC + cheese. I'm also trying to cut out artificial sweeteners (except sweet leaf stevia), flavored water & diet soda.
For my coffee this morning, I added coconut cream & it was delicious! I can totally do that instead of HWC.
I don't count butter or eggs as dairy & I don't think they're causing my stall.
So, we will see how this no-dairy lifestyle treats me.....0 -
They brought my burger with cheese. I ate it. How many days did I last?
Maybe 16? Oh well. I wasn't seeing any major differences anyway.
The salt dumped out, but I scraped it off after I took this photo. Right now, it looks like it has a snow-cap on it.0 -
A Year Without Broccoli and 16 Days Without Cheese
It was a worthy experiment. What's next?
If it were me, I'd want to take advantage of all that protein intake and start lifting weights. Forget the scale, and give DarthLuiggi a little competition. 0 -
I will probably continue to avoid it for the rest of the month. The place I got this burger at was packed today, and the original burger took almost 40 minutes to get out. I didn't want to wait for a refire.0
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I will probably continue to avoid it for the rest of the month. The place I got this burger at was packed today, and the original burger took almost 40 minutes to get out. I didn't want to wait for a refire.
I actually ended up flat out not eating the burger they brought me and telling them to take it off the bill at a place Monday. My issue is, if you ask me how I want the burger cooked, you should at least make an attempt to approach it. My "medium" order came out very well done, like grey. I have come to accept that if I say medium, I will end up with medium-well and I can live with that, but not sad overcooked meat.
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I just can't eat burgers out anymore. Haven't eaten out much and enjoyed it since going VLC. My cooking is WAY better. Plus if I overcook a steak, it comes out pink instead of red. I can live with that. 0
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I am entering week 9 of no grains and no dairy. I don't miss the grains at all, but I sure do miss the dairy. I am putting coconut milk in my small morning coffee, and it just isn't the same. I miss cheese and yogurt too. I do feel better though. No more joint pain. I know it is worth it, so am hoping I just eventually get used to it.
When I first started to learn how to control my joint pain I went off most all carbs including milk products. My subjective take was my pain level went from 7-8 to 2-3 on a 1-10 scale within 30 days. I have added back dairy but I monitor the type I eat/drink so I do not get more than 50 grams of carbs daily. I like dairy and just had 400 calories of in it in my coffee as heavy whipping cream. I do eat some cottage cheese to coat my stomach.
I expect 99% of my pain drop was due to cutting out sugar and grains alone.
As a side note after 40 years of abusing carbs I could not taper off of them but had to ditch them by going off carbs Cold Turkey. It was hellish for two weeks then carb cravings faded fast in a physical sense but there was the mental cravings that lasted a few months but nothing strong enough to reach for carbs. Two months after I went off carbs it was Thanksgiving and I read about Carb Out Night and tried it. I gained 6 pounds of water over night and felt really bad for a week.
That was 8 months ago and I never plan to eat a meal of carbs again in my life.
With that being said I do think dairy can be a drag on our health and each one should monitor its impact from time to time. Going without a food group from time to time can be revealing. Eating some dairy helps me get my fats and protein levels where they need to be. It is a good buffer for coffee that I drink I expect.
Again I am not into the math and science of diet as much as just wanting to keep it simple and see a positive upticking health trend line.
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I can only eat predigested dairy ie: yogurt & cheeses. Anything else really reacts with my GI tract, and gunks up my lungs with mucous.0
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Have you tried breaking it down into dairy fats, lactose, and casein to see if you're sensitive to one but not others? And have you tried grass-fed dairy (some people react to the grains and soy in conventional dairy) or goat dairy (fewer people are sensitive to goat dairy).
How would a person go about doing this? I know @FIT_Goat has suggested less dairy to me in the past. I mean, listen, it's all fine and dandy to cut out cheese when you're not living in Wisconsin. For us Wisconsin folk, cheese is everything.
How many ounces of cheese per day is everyone else eating?
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Have you tried breaking it down into dairy fats, lactose, and casein to see if you're sensitive to one but not others? And have you tried grass-fed dairy (some people react to the grains and soy in conventional dairy) or goat dairy (fewer people are sensitive to goat dairy).
How would a person go about doing this? I know @FIT_Goat has suggested less dairy to me in the past. I mean, listen, it's all fine and dandy to cut out cheese when you're not living in Wisconsin. For us Wisconsin folk, cheese is everything.
How many ounces of cheese per day is everyone else eating?
Ghee is generally produced from cows but the casein and lactose are removed by heating butter and straining. It is just dairy fat. I cannot tolerate casein or lactose but can eat ghee.
Non-cow milks have different proteins (casein) such as goat, sheep, soy, nuts, etc. Pasteurization also impacts the proteins and sugars, casein/lactose. I think raw milk is illegal to sell but I have been able to buy raw cheese. I can tolerate some raw sheep cheese.
I found this through food sensitivity tests and elimination diets. I've searched out raw cheese to sample because I love cheese.
I had a small portion of milk and cream tonight along with other non-keto compliant foods in a special dinner tonight and am already inflamed.
I think trial and error through an elimination diet is the way to break dairy down.
When I ate cheese regularly, I limited it to 1 oz 3xs per week.
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