KETO misunderstood so bad!!!
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Finally facing my own real and near term death was required for me to embrace KETO eating lifestyle. I had the head knowledge for years but really was hooked on carbs and never thought it would be a major solution to my long term health problems. The kids had just turned 17 last Oct and since they are at risk of developing Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS) I did not want to die and leave them looking forward a life like mine. They now see me 50 pounds lighter and physically doing things they never saw me do just by cutting most carbs out of my diet. Where they do or do not get off of carbs at some point if needed is left up to them but they have the knowledge and my example at least.
I agree the underlying problem is not the doctors but the system itself.0 -
I am so happy for you @GaleHawkins !!!0
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Just saw this Study..ANOTHER FAILED premise…this was a High fat diet.. only it was high fat and moderate carb..so no wonder NOTHING good happened….60% fat (OK great) BUT 25% carbs?…which is 640 Calories for a man's 2500 calorie diet. nothing close to Low Carb at 5-10% of total.
SEE: "Liver fat accumulation in response to overfeeding with a high-fat diet: a comparison between South Asian and Caucasian men" in http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com
( and it had only 10 men in each group…teeny.0 -
KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Just saw this Study..ANOTHER FAILED premise…this was a High fat diet.. only it was high fat and moderate carb..so no wonder NOTHING good happened….60% fat (OK great) BUT 25% carbs?…which is 640 Calories for a man's 2500 calorie diet. nothing close to Low Carb at 5-10% of total.
SEE: "Liver fat accumulation in response to overfeeding with a high-fat diet: a comparison between South Asian and Caucasian men" in http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com
( and it had only 10 men in each group…teeny.
Do you think the results would be greatly different if the MACROS were less carb and more fat? 0.003 in four days of 50% over consumption of energy seems fairly realistic. Maybe I am not understanding a 50% above TEE number and maybe if the MACROS were adjusted the outcome would be different. Then again. . . they are just showing South Asians have a very slight propensity to store some of the excess consumption as liver fat versus Caucasians. IDK, seems to make sense. Where else does the body store excess energy?
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Terrapin--- fat is stored ALL OVER…..otherwise we;d have a huge liver ( and dome belly) and skinny legs.
if all they wanted was to see if fat gain to the liver was the same for both groups..then they succeeded..but if they tested a Low Carb along with High Fat to observe the liver then I am betting both groups would have lost any 'fatty liver' problems too…maybe S. Asians are different than anglos…
this study is just confusing on "WHY" most people will never be advised to eat high fat/carbs so they can GAIN...0 -
That IS a good one. Thanks.0 -
KETOGENICGURL wrote: »Terrapin--- fat is stored ALL OVER…..otherwise we;d have a huge liver ( and dome belly) and skinny legs.
if all they wanted was to see if fat gain to the liver was the same for both groups..then they succeeded..but if they tested a Low Carb along with High Fat to observe the liver then I am betting both groups would have lost any 'fatty liver' problems too…maybe S. Asians are different than anglos…
this study is just confusing on "WHY" most people will never be advised to eat high fat/carbs so they can GAIN...
Yes, I'm aware fat is stored all over. Do you wonder why the study was conducted or who paid for it? And as far as people not being advised to eat a high fat diet probably falls under the 'small steps, small changes, versus mammoth altering dietary change' then again. . . . .I sort of view this like the recommendation to lose weight slowly as you near goal and taking longer versus maintaining a substantial deficit and increasing the likelihood of regressing back to old habits.
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I work with doctors and really, the main concern is lawsuit and complaints to the licensing board. Lawsuits are the main concern. If a patient doesn't want what the doctor is offering (and it's limited what they offer, I know) - it has to be meticulously documented that the patient refused it and why. Same goes with nurses.
Most doctors and nurses aren't personally invested in debunking something that works, even if it's not what they're offering. If follow up tests show success in measurable terms, they're fine with it. They may not ask a lot of questions, because it's not their rodeo. But they're genuinely pleased when someone leaves the office or facility healthier rather than sicker. Which rarely happens.
When people get bad news, or the condition worsens or the agreed to treatment doesn't work, the finger pointing begins and it can get really ugly.
I am certain there are also people who nod their heads, accept the scripts, and go home and continue to do the very harmful things that put them into the situation for which they saw the doctor - and then complain that what the Dr recommended didn't work!
Then there are folks like my mother who like taking medications, and developing new problems so they can have something new to crow about (and get sympathy for, IMO) It's like a game of "I take more medications than you" syndrome. SMH. My goal is to get off my diabetes meds, while my mother's seems to be to get put ON Insulin!
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Hubby is a why do you buy that cream cheese, peanut butter, herb cheese spread, fish spread, whatever, if you can't have crackers, bagel, bread to go with it kind of guy. He's finally starting to come around because he sees what I've accomplished with the changes I've made - he still cringes when we're at a steak restaurant and I ask for butter, butter, and extra butter on the side. Not to mention the look I get from the waiter - as if to say geez, you're fat enough you don't need butter. Most times I can ignore it, but sometimes I can get a little snarky.
Hee heee "fat enough..." that's what I always think people are thinking about me too! As an aside, what DO you eat with spreads? I am missing having things that I used to "dip" pre keto.0 -
I use celery and romaine lettuce usually0
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »chaoticdreams wrote: »I think the medical community is catching up bit by bit though. I couldn't get my husband to go back on LC no matter how I begged, pleaded, and showed him all the good things about it. It took his Dr. telling him if he wanted to live past his 40's he had to do something and that LC was his best bet. This after 5 years ago same Dr. criticizing the both of us on the Atkins diet we were doing then.
He won't read any of the books himself and I pretty much have to answer a dozen or so, "Can I have this?' questions per day, but that's fine. He's sticking with it and doing well. I can't wait till they redo his blood tests again in a few months.
Lol you poor thing, you have a man child too? Does he make a pouty face when you tell him "no, you can't have that, it's got too many carbs"?
LOL - sometimes yes. He's 35 going on 13.
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LittleMamaVas wrote: »Hee heee "fat enough..." that's what I always think people are thinking about me too! As an aside, what DO you eat with spreads? I am missing having things that I used to "dip" pre keto.
a spoon! I just eat peanut butter by the tbs full at work when feeling peckish. yum.0 -
LittleMamaVas wrote: »
Hee heee "fat enough..." that's what I always think people are thinking about me too! As an aside, what DO you eat with spreads? I am missing having things that I used to "dip" pre keto.
I'm with Camtosh. A spoon.
It's interesting that people think low carb isn't sustainable. I'm finding it much, much easier than starvation and craving sweets all the time. I've never been able to do that for as long as I've low carbed.0 -
LC "too hard to do long term"??? how far off those comments are. I have never seen ANY WOE that compares to a high fat Ketogenic one.
even "fat fasts" are amazing..Minimum of 6 eggs a day (many eat 13 a day) and 1 tbl of fat WITH each egg? Mayo, bacon grease? and 1 oz cheese per egg too? Yer kiddin'me?
How on earth can anyone compare that to a Jane Fonda 'water fast"?? sure if it makes you feel great, and in command of your diet, a just water or herb tea, etc.. I'm happy for you…. but let me have high calorie, vastly satisfying FOOD on a fast? I'm in!0 -
It may be a bit harsh but I find it kind of funny to see the nurses at my dr office that raised eyebrows at my low carb diet two years ago.
They are both still a solid 100 lbs overweight
I just don't even waste my time with some people that are grossly overweight and at the same time critical of those that attempt weight loss.
Go figure...
People are strange.0 -
I saw a PA for my annual physical with the VA and she was well aware of LCHF and was supportive of that way of eating. My weigh-in being 45 pounds less than last year had her concerned until I told her I ditched sugar and grains. Because in most cases it can reduce healthcare costs we are going to see more state and fed healthcare systems embracing LCHF in the years ahead perhaps?0
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The results are undeniable0
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KittensMaster wrote: »It may be a bit harsh but I find it kind of funny to see the nurses at my dr office that raised eyebrows at my low carb diet two years ago.
They are both still a solid 100 lbs overweight
I just don't even waste my time with some people that are grossly overweight and at the same time critical of those that attempt weight loss.
Go figure...
People are strange.
This! A dear friend of mine educated me one day last week about how there is no way to sustain this long term without killing myself and then even went further to say that I'm spending entirely too much time in the gym. That "they" say half an hour a day is the max that is healthy for you. As much as I hated to be ugly I finally reached that point. She's at least 200 lbs overweight and diabetic. I've lost almost 75 lbs since I started and all my health issues resolved. It kills me how everyone that has never done this is an expert and we're just supposed to listen to them.0 -
QuallyLeShay wrote: »KittensMaster wrote: »It may be a bit harsh but I find it kind of funny to see the nurses at my dr office that raised eyebrows at my low carb diet two years ago.
They are both still a solid 100 lbs overweight
I just don't even waste my time with some people that are grossly overweight and at the same time critical of those that attempt weight loss.
Go figure...
People are strange.
This! A dear friend of mine educated me one day last week about how there is no way to sustain this long term without killing myself and then even went further to say that I'm spending entirely too much time in the gym. That "they" say half an hour a day is the max that is healthy for you. As much as I hated to be ugly I finally reached that point. She's at least 200 lbs overweight and diabetic. I've lost almost 75 lbs since I started and all my health issues resolved. It kills me how everyone that has never done this is an expert and we're just supposed to listen to them.
Wow!
Great progress and personal success!!!
It is its own reward to enjoy a fitter body and more fun life
Rock on!!
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I've been LCHF since mid March and ZC level since June 1. The benefits to my health (decreased fibromyalgia pain from a level of 7-8, most days, to 2-3 average at this point) have been so tremendous!. My pain still increases with certain activities but the recovery is so much faster now, too. That's what makes this woe sustainable for me. Without it I am sure I would have given up. I've never been able to achieve results like this with any other woe. I keep hoping for a better understanding among the general public but until their doctors decide to embrace the concept they won't even entertain the idea. Thoughts of feeling deprived, and missing out are hard to overcome in the beginning, but the rewards are so much greater!
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They say one of the most flustrating things in life is watching others do what you are telling them they can not do.
Let us just flustrate the heck out of those with this false negative talk about LCHF.
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LittleMamaVas wrote: »Hubby is a why do you buy that cream cheese, peanut butter, herb cheese spread, fish spread, whatever, if you can't have crackers, bagel, bread to go with it kind of guy. He's finally starting to come around because he sees what I've accomplished with the changes I've made - he still cringes when we're at a steak restaurant and I ask for butter, butter, and extra butter on the side. Not to mention the look I get from the waiter - as if to say geez, you're fat enough you don't need butter. Most times I can ignore it, but sometimes I can get a little snarky.
Hee heee "fat enough..." that's what I always think people are thinking about me too! As an aside, what DO you eat with spreads? I am missing having things that I used to "dip" pre keto.
For the spreads it's either crispy bacon (very good w/guacamole), or mini ball peppers (about 5 carbs for 3), or Flackers crackers (made from flax - 8 carbs, but 7 fiber, so 1 net carb. The cheese spread in particular I also spread on sandwich pepperoni. Much depends on where I'm at with my carbs for the day.0 -
Spreads go on my finger. Good for portion control, since I only want to go wash my hands so I can have another taste so many times before I just put the food away.
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Great idea @glossbones0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-oP34xXFWM
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