Study says low carb the way to go for Diabetics!!
pennell12
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Cool. I haven't seen that before. It's basically a manifesto signed by all the low-carb gurus.
Here's another link to it:
Dietary carbohydrate restriction as the first approach in diabetes management: Critical review and evidence base0 -
It would be awesome when this becomes the prevailing suggestion for those suffering from diabetes. It is a shame that it's so hard to change the message being given out in the trenches.0
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What an excellent article! Thanks @pennell120
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It would be awesome when this becomes the prevailing suggestion for those suffering from diabetes. It is a shame that it's so hard to change the message being given out in the trenches.
But the message is getting out, I'm proof!
Reversing Type 2 diabetes starts with ignoring the guidelines | Sarah Hallberg | TEDxPurdueU
She's my heroine!
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Excellent!
For me it was Dr Bernstein's book, Diabetes Solutions. The word is definitely getting out.
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For me it was Banting, followed by Diet Doctor and finally Jason Fung. Prior to that it was William Davis' Wheat Belly.0
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Seems low carb always was the idea
Odd that it would not be
But I don't know, I have heard some doctors say goofy things0 -
It would be awesome when this becomes the prevailing suggestion for those suffering from diabetes. It is a shame that it's so hard to change the message being given out in the trenches.
For me it was the internet. Once I found the Diet Doctor site it directed me to all other authors and resources, including MFP. If one had not access to the collective wisdom/experience of all the people daring take control of their own health against the prevailing medical advice, LC would be much, much more difficult to follow and trust.0 -
KittensMaster wrote: »Seems low carb always was the idea
Odd that it would not be
But I don't know, I have heard some doctors say goofy things
It took 18 years before a dr suggested to my diabetic mom that she should keep her carbs below 120. (Which isn't enough but it's an improvement.) She is still on insulin.
My MIL was just diagnosed with NAFLD (non-alcoholic fatty liver). Her dietician was the one who finally thought it was important to tell her she had diabetes, too. The woman said to just cut out sugary drinks and get an appt with her doctor to get put on meds.
Problem solved!(/sarcasm)
To say I despise the medical establishment and their ignorance is putting it mildly. I could save both my MIL and my own mom thousands of dollars and help them regain much health, but apparently I don't know anything because I don't have a M.D. after my name.
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baconslave wrote: »KittensMaster wrote: »Seems low carb always was the idea
Odd that it would not be
But I don't know, I have heard some doctors say goofy things
It took 18 years before a dr suggested to my diabetic mom that she should keep her carbs below 120. (Which isn't enough but it's an improvement.) She is still on insulin.
My MIL was just diagnosed with NAFLD (non-alcoholic fatty liver). Her dietician was the one who finally thought it was important to tell her she had diabetes, too. The woman said to just cut out sugary drinks and get an appt with her doctor to get put on meds.
Problem solved!(/sarcasm)
To say I despise the medical establishment and their ignorance is putting it mildly. I could save both my MIL and my own mom thousands of dollars and help them regain much health, but apparently I don't know anything because I don't have a M.D. after my name. So much nonsense.
Some people just don't want to change. My sister refuses to even try to change and she also won't take meds for her diabetes. Meds are bad for you didn't you know? She doesn't want to put things in her body that are bad for her. BLOWS MY MIND!
And I wish I could get my T1D daughter to lower carbs... Stubborn kid!0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Some people just don't want to change. My sister refuses to even try to change and she also won't take meds for her diabetes. Meds are bad for you didn't you know? She doesn't want to put things in her body that are bad for her. BLOWS MY MIND!
I know someone, IRL, who had high blood pressure that resolved completely when they cut out soda. All they needed to do was stop drinking it. Recently, we were talking about health and they mentioned that they were on blood pressure medication. I commented that I thought cutting the soda had stopped that.
"Oh, it did. I couldn't do that forever. I like soda too much. I would rather just take the medicine, so I can drink the soda." [paraphrase]
Honestly, I didn't even know how to respond to that. You know the cure, but you're rather medicate away the symptoms?
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It would be awesome when this becomes the prevailing suggestion for those suffering from diabetes. It is a shame that it's so hard to change the message being given out in the trenches.
Yes, I agree! A few years ago I got my BS levels/AIC down to the lowest they had ever been via low carb. When I told my Endo she became angry and said that it was not healthy to eat low carb. I fired her!
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Some people just don't want to change. My sister refuses to even try to change and she also won't take meds for her diabetes. Meds are bad for you didn't you know? She doesn't want to put things in her body that are bad for her. BLOWS MY MIND!
I know someone, IRL, who had high blood pressure that resolved completely when they cut out soda. All they needed to do was stop drinking it. Recently, we were talking about health and they mentioned that they were on blood pressure medication. I commented that I thought cutting the soda had stopped that.
"Oh, it did. I couldn't do that forever. I like soda too much. I would rather just take the medicine, so I can drink the soda." [paraphrase]
Honestly, I didn't even know how to respond to that. You know the cure, but you're rather medicate away the symptoms?
Darwin's natural selection at work.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Some people just don't want to change. My sister refuses to even try to change and she also won't take meds for her diabetes. Meds are bad for you didn't you know? She doesn't want to put things in her body that are bad for her. BLOWS MY MIND!
I know someone, IRL, who had high blood pressure that resolved completely when they cut out soda. All they needed to do was stop drinking it. Recently, we were talking about health and they mentioned that they were on blood pressure medication. I commented that I thought cutting the soda had stopped that.
"Oh, it did. I couldn't do that forever. I like soda too much. I would rather just take the medicine, so I can drink the soda." [paraphrase]
Honestly, I didn't even know how to respond to that. You know the cure, but you're rather medicate away the symptoms?
Darwin's natural selection at work.
Don't say that. I share a very large portion of my genetics with this person.
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Ok, not trying to be the odd person out, but where I live (because maybe this is geographic) the prevailing suggestion IS a low-carb diet. I had Gestational Diabetes twice before becoming a Type II and all of my classes taught that low-carb living was the beginning of the journey. Sometimes it can't take you all the way and you might need pharmacological assistance for a period of time. I was able to control my Gestational Diabetes through low-carb diet alone, and I was pregnant. My doctors advocated for this diet although you do have to worry about ketones as you are actively building a little human being, so being in keto is not advised. As a pregnant lady, I was given around 120 g of carbohydrate a day and advised to exercise. I was taught about carbohydrates in foods, how to pair foods, and how to portion out carbohydrates over the day.
I'm currently trying to lose weight because that alone can reduce your blood sugar. Low-carb eating is essential for me because I'm a Type II. I currently have my goal set to right around 100 g of carbs a day (the CDC goal would have me eating over 200). Not as restrictive as some would like, but it works for me. I do enjoy carbohydrates and don't want to cut them back too much. I don't feel that is sustainable for me. I do think that significantly limiting my intake does wonders for my body. I feel SO MUCH BETTER.0 -
baconslave wrote: »KittensMaster wrote: »Seems low carb always was the idea
Odd that it would not be
But I don't know, I have heard some doctors say goofy things
It took 18 years before a dr suggested to my diabetic mom that she should keep her carbs below 120. (Which isn't enough but it's an improvement.) She is still on insulin.
My MIL was just diagnosed with NAFLD (non-alcoholic fatty liver). Her dietician was the one who finally thought it was important to tell her she had diabetes, too. The woman said to just cut out sugary drinks and get an appt with her doctor to get put on meds.
Problem solved!(/sarcasm)
To say I despise the medical establishment and their ignorance is putting it mildly. I could save both my MIL and my own mom thousands of dollars and help them regain much health, but apparently I don't know anything because I don't have a M.D. after my name. So much nonsense.
That's terrible!
Because I was pregnant I had to take classes for the Gestational Diabetes BOTH times. The classes were with nurses and a dietitian. They actually designed my diet for me (giving me how many carbs to eat at which times of the day) and I had to record my blood sugar four times a day!
I'm now going to see an endocrinologist because I'm having some complications with my Type II diabetes that are abnormal and I'm being asked to log my sugar 5 times a day. My pinky looks like a landmine but it's worth it to be around to dance with my sons at their weddings!
I'm disgusted by the "here is your insulin, see you in three months" approach. I feel very fortunate to not have had this experience.0 -
@gaelicstorm26 we are all different in needs and wants and that is fine.
The funny thing there is nothing that I find restrictive about eating <50 grams of carbs daily. I do not smoke, take drugs or drink alcohol and I do not find that restrictive in any shape or form. In my case just eating what brings life and delays death NOW just makes good sense to me but that was not the case for my first 63 years.
It is good you are from an area where low carb eating is accepted. Here in our redneck area of KY low carb eating is thought of as 'strange' and abnormal by many. Eating very low carb and very high fat for only 10 months now a few are saying maybe they should should consider it because of the positive changes they are seeing in my health and life. I am sure the ones on oxygen and still smoking are not going to give up carbs however.
Congratulations on your efforts to limit your carb intake that makes you feel so much better. The two week withdrawal that I experienced was tough but now it is like it never occurred and there is no desire to eat carbs any longer. That is a freedom that I did not know for the last 40 years.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Some people just don't want to change. My sister refuses to even try to change and she also won't take meds for her diabetes. Meds are bad for you didn't you know? She doesn't want to put things in her body that are bad for her. BLOWS MY MIND!
I know someone, IRL, who had high blood pressure that resolved completely when they cut out soda. All they needed to do was stop drinking it. Recently, we were talking about health and they mentioned that they were on blood pressure medication. I commented that I thought cutting the soda had stopped that.
"Oh, it did. I couldn't do that forever. I like soda too much. I would rather just take the medicine, so I can drink the soda." [paraphrase]
Honestly, I didn't even know how to respond to that. You know the cure, but you're rather medicate away the symptoms?
Wow! Just wow. I really have no words...
I just couldn't imagine not making such a simple change for my health. I can't get my brain around this kind of thinking.0 -
Not so simple if you are addicted. I have an acquaintance who has an extreme addiction to Pepsi. From the time he wakes in the morning until the time he goes to sleep he has a Pepsi in his hand. I asked day how many bottles of Pepsi he drinks a day. He told me 2- six packs. That is just short of 500 grams of high fructose corn syrup. He eats one meal a day, diner.
It is hard for me to comprehend. He has had this diet for decades and is in his early 60's. Don't know if he is pre-diabetic but he told me he is not diabetic.
I met him for coffee before a meeting and he ordered a coffee with 10 sugars. Frankly, it made me cringe.0 -
Not so simple if you are addicted
Yup. From age 18 to about age 34 I drank more soda than water. For 9 or 10 of those years probably 90% of what I drank was Dr Pepper. Its the biggest reason I'd fail at all weight loss efforts. I'd try to start some new weight loss program and obviously cutting out sodas was a part of any reasonable weight loss strategy. I'd cave in and have a soda, and when I did it opened the floodgates, the diet attempt was over. Soda was 100% all or nothing for me.
The way I finally found success was just to cut out sodas and to literally not care about anything else that I ate. I did this around age 34. The first couple weeks were ok, but it got really, really bad. I work from home, which was a godsend, as we could just get all the sodas out of the house, or if anyone else in the house was drinking them, they'd hide them. Like, hide them for real, not "oh they're covered up by something in the kitchen", I'm talking hiding them in the back of a closet under a bunch of stuff so I couldn't find them. There were days where I just stopped functioning and took 2-3 hour naps during the workday and just ignored my job. There was a point where I could no longer avoid the cravings, I think it was about after a month with no soda. Any time it got bad enough, I went to Sonic and ordered a banana split and just ate the whole thing sitting in the parking lot before I did anything else. I didn't know if this was a "sound" strategy or not, but at the time, I didn't care. My idea was to feed my body all the sugar it wanted to redirect the craving and to just make sure none of the sugar came from the sodas that had been a part of every day for me for so long, and then figure out how to deal with the rest of the sugar later.
Somehow, it worked. I then went a full year without sodas before trying to make any other health/lifestyle changes. At some point I was comfortable enough that I'd honestly beaten the soda habit that I was willing to try other new things to improve, eventually landing on keto.
Its now been 4 years since I've had a soda, I think. Even now after 100 pounds lost and having been through struggles to stay on keto and gotten myself back on track after periods of eating poorly, I remain convinced that I cannot have a single soda. I'm sure its not the same as a heroin addiction, luckily sodas and to a lesser extent sugar in general is my only addiction, but I honestly am afraid that if I had one in a moment of weakness, I may not be able to stop myself again.0 -
You know the cure, but you're rather medicate away the symptoms?
BTW, I didn't make my above post to excuse the behavior that started the conversation. I do wonder if its a legitimate idea that this person has that is just "I'll just take meds so I can do the thing that I like" or if its some kind of active dissonance being created because they can't stop. Suggesting that may be projecting too much of my own experience onto things though.
Hopefully they come around at some point, whatever the actual reason.0 -
Not so sure the sugar, caffeine and psychological addiction of soda is not as bad as cocaine or heroin addiction. There have been a number of recent papers published.
I applaud your progress.
I have read that glutamine is effective at controlling sugar addiction.0 -
gaelicstorm26 wrote: »Ok, not trying to be the odd person out, but where I live (because maybe this is geographic) the prevailing suggestion IS a low-carb diet.
Very glad to hear that.
I had GD with my last pregnancy. I was put on a diabetic diet (like the ADA says to which was about 180g a day spread out evenly over 3 meals and a snack) and still had to take glyburide to keep my glucose numbers normal. If I had known to take my carbs a bit lower, I would have done it. Which I learned after I had the baby and the GD didn't go away right away. I resumed the diabetic diet, but ditched all the starches except for occasional beans and my A1c went down to 5.4. I was too stupid to keep it up once my doc said "you are cured from diabetes." I was a dumb dummy head, yes. Because I wanted my starchy/sugary junk back,and I was in denial (I had ample evidence that my body needed to stay low-carb but I didn't want to fathom giving up my junk for life.) I know better now though.0 -
baconslave wrote: »gaelicstorm26 wrote: »Ok, not trying to be the odd person out, but where I live (because maybe this is geographic) the prevailing suggestion IS a low-carb diet.
Very glad to hear that.
I had GD with my last pregnancy. I was put on a diabetic diet (like the ADA says to which was about 180g a day spread out evenly over 3 meals and a snack) and still had to take glyburide to keep my glucose numbers normal. If I had known to take my carbs a bit lower, I would have done it. Which I learned after I had the baby and the GD didn't go away right away. I resumed the diabetic diet, but ditched all the starches except for occasional beans and my A1c went down to 5.4. I was too stupid to keep it up once my doc said "you are cured from diabetes." I was a dumb dummy head, yes. Because I wanted my starchy/sugary junk back,and I was in denial (I had ample evidence that my body needed to stay low-carb but I didn't want to fathom giving up my junk for life.) I know better now though.
With my second pregnancy I had trouble right at the end with my fasting glucose and the dietitian and I played around a lot with my diet and that number was continuing to be problematic so for the last week of my pregnancy I took glyburide right before bed. It was such a strange thing. It was fine during the day, but that morning sugar was not cooperating to manipulating my diet.
After eating low-carb you really start to notice how sluggish those carb-laden meals (pizza, subs, pasta) are. I still enjoy they occasionally but those are foods that mean an after-dinner walk is a must, not an option!!!
I feel a lot better when I substitute more fat for those carbs. Sad that people still think low-carb is odd! Our bodies are so different and are going to feel better or worse depending on what we put into it.
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Not so simple if you are addicted. I have an acquaintance who has an extreme addiction to Pepsi. From the time he wakes in the morning until the time he goes to sleep he has a Pepsi in his hand. I asked day how many bottles of Pepsi he drinks a day. He told me 2- six packs. That is just short of 500 grams of high fructose corn syrup. He eats one meal a day, diner.
It is hard for me to comprehend. He has had this diet for decades and is in his early 60's. Don't know if he is pre-diabetic but he told me he is not diabetic.
I met him for coffee before a meeting and he ordered a coffee with 10 sugars. Frankly, it made me cringe.
Oh, you know my fiance, do you? Except he drinks the 1.5 liters... Claims a doctor told him to regulate his hypoglycemia THROUGH sugar due to excess platelets and highly acidic blood.
Ha! Do you know how badly I had to stifle the urge to laugh the other day when he was eating some oreos and sat back scratching his head talking about how weird it was, because all of the sudden now he doesn't like "all that sugar" concentrated all at once.
Gee, honey, eating mostly low carb with a little bread/potatoes/rice here or there instead of full on junk has nothing to do with that, does it? LMFAO0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »
Some people just don't want to change. My sister refuses to even try to change and she also won't take meds for her diabetes. Meds are bad for you didn't you know? She doesn't want to put things in her body that are bad for her. BLOWS MY MIND!
And I wish I could get my T1D daughter to lower carbs... Stubborn kid!
Yeah that's sad. It's like everything. The only person you can change is you. Maybe you will end up being an inspiration for her once she's ready.0 -
My mother has type 1. And it was just recently that her doctor told her she had to eat low carb...... 58 years and now he says that??? Since she cut them out, she doesn't need nearly as much insulin as before although she bottoms out faster.
She's terrified of losing her feet since she can't feel them anymore so I will hand it to her, she's sticking to 50 grams or less and exercises daily. If only she'd stop the beer. Despite that it's Ultra, it's still bad for her.0 -
KittensMaster wrote: »Seems low carb always was the idea
Odd that it would not be
But I don't know, I have heard some doctors say goofy things
When I had gestational diabetes, the diabetes nurse made sure I had at least 40g of carbs with each meal. I was confused and assumed I would be very low carb.
Example:
Breakfast
- 2 slices of toast with either egg, cheese, ham or peanut butter, and a piece of fruit or a yoghurt
Snack
- A piece of fruit and/or a yoghurt and a glass of milk
Lunch
- A wholegrain sandwich or roll and a piece of fruit
Snack
- Same as mid morning
Dinner
- Meat and green vegetables, 2 potatoes or a cup of cooked basmati rice or generous cup of pasta
Supper
- Crackers with cheese, and a glass of milk
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This thread makes me thankful for my Dr.
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thanks for the link. Gonna pin it 
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