Low cal, low carb, breakfast omelet/Less than 200 calories
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Q_Is_Poison wrote: »Well, I'm hardly a tiny old woman...But I can certainly see that you have decided that you enjoy butter, bacon, cheese, ham, etc... And that you will argue that they are healthy in order to perpetuate your own inner system of denial. I take umbrage with the fact that you suggest this others because it is not healthy and it will not lead most people to success.
I, too, struggled to accept these facts at first. So, I understand why these ideas are offensive to your current sensibilities.
I have never even mentioned bacon in this thread, aside from the comment about processed meat and the cancer link. I do enjoy it, but that's not something that I talked about at any time. I almost never eat it. I would guess that 95%+ of my diet is beef. The remaining percent will be shared by eggs, pork (including ham/bacon), lamb, chicken, seafood, dairy, etc. Bacon is a nice treat, but it's not an everyday food for me. I eat very little processed meat. Even the canned ham is an unusual part of my food.
The studies about "red meat" are fundamentally flawed. Because they lump red meat with processed meats to draw their conclusion. When you divide the meat types, you find no link with red meat.
There are more and more studies out showing that saturated fats aren't the cause of high cholesterol, that total blood cholesterol levels aren't the cause of heart disease, and just about everything else we've been told for 30+ years about fat is wrong. Actually, we knew even back then that the statements were likely wrong, but the government acted on them anyway.
If it is any consolation, my average total cholesterol as a vegetarian was in the mid 180s. My average total cholesterol as an omnivore was also around there (high 180s). My average total cholesterol as a carnivore is around 192. My trigs and HDL are also much improved. So, a year of nothing but meat and animal fats (composing 70-80% of my diet... 200+ grams a day) caused only improved numbers and no huge jump. I am a regular blood donor and have been for years, so I have numbers going back a very long time as to what my cholesterol happens to be. The best indicator? Exercise. The times when I exercise more or am in training, the lower it is. Not massively so, maybe down to 160s. That has a much bigger impact than anything I eat.0 -
Read the article below entitled, "Butter is not back and other truths about saturated fat"
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-14030/butter-is-not-back-and-other-truths-about-
saturated-fat.html
http://www.nhregister.com/article/NH/20150726/NEWS/1507295910 -
Qispoison, may I ask why you joined a LCHF group if you vehemently disagree with it's principles?0
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I dont disagree with cutting starches, but I think Adkins is unreasonable and unhealthy. I believe in moderation. A person can eat a low carb diet and not be on the Adkins bandwagon.0
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It's Atkins by the way
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I will pick up this thread later on... The gym is calling my name. Have a great night, everyone!0
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Welcome to the group, Q! I highly recommend reading through the Launch Pad. It provides a number of resources that support our stance that fats are not to be feared, even saturated fats. I also recommend checking out the Success Stories post, which has a number of people for whom this way of eating has worked and even saved lives and improved health. The archives have a number of threads on these types of discussions, as well, so feel free to peruse then using the "all discussions" link at the bottom of the thread list.
Also, butter is not pure saturated fat. It is actually about 40% saturated and 45% monounsaturated (oleic acid, in fact, the same found in olive oil). It also contains conjugated linoleic acid, butyric acid, and vitamins A, D, and K2, which are beneficial to health. So yes, while it may have a few more calories per tablespoon, it is arguably more healthy than most margarines.
While all of us here have varying levels of both carb and fat intake, and we run the gamut on types of food from carnivore to at least vegetarian, one thing that we all generally agree on -- because we've seen the research and seen the effects first hand -- is that there is no reason to fear any of the naturally occurring fats, and they all have a role in keeping us healthy.0 -
Q_Is_Poison wrote: »Fit_Goat most women and many men would be obese if they ate the way you do. You are obviously blessed with a very high metabolism.
This is false. It feels like it should be true, but it isn't. I had a horrible metabolism. Many years ago, I went from 230 pounds down to 175 pounds by starving myself thin. I ate 1350 calories a day. I then tried to up my calories and found that anything above 1800 caused me to gain weight. I still was hungry all the time, but I kept my weight stable for about 8 months. Then I started eating more and the weight came rushing back on. Eating at 2000 calories a day, I gained the weight back at a good pace (25 pounds a year according to my old charts).
I am about the same weight now, but much older. I exercise less often and am less active. In all respects, I should have to eat even less than I was back then.
Metabolism is not fixed and calories out can change based on calories in. Eating the right 2600 calories causes my body to get to a healthy weight and then burn all excess. Eating 2000 calories of the wrong foods caused me to gain excess weight. I am actually losing right now averaging about 2300 calories a day.
Call it diet woo. Disbelieve it if you want. But, I have never been a naturally slim person or easily controlled my weight. Eating this way has made me healthier than I ever have been, plus I can eat a lot. I know many who experience the same thing. Most gain at first, while their starved body heals and ensures this isn't a temporary situation, but after a while of being consistent, it falls back to where it should be.0 -
One final work before I head out to the gym, I am not fundamentally opposed to butter if it provides comfort and solace to the folks who use it. However, I do believe that it is a high calorie food choice that could sabotage the caloric goals for many us. It is not a "free food" as Atkins would have us believe and it has virtually no health benefits. If you like it and are able to work it into your caloric goals, great. Most women would prefer something more solid such as a tossed salad with lemon juice, an apple, an egg, or even a fiber-one english muffin than a tablespoon of butter.0
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Butter is not healthy. You may like it and it may satisfy you but it is not healthy.0
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I disagree. I'd rather eat a Tbsp of butter all on it's own than bother to make a salad which would not fill me up or an apple which has too much sugar for my liking, and baked goods are out of the question.0
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Q_Is_Poison wrote: »Fit_Goat most women and many men would be obese if they ate the way you do. You are obviously blessed with a very high metabolism.
Eating the way @FIT_Goat does is what is curing my PCOS, insulin resistance, elevated insulin, and inability to lose weight.0 -
Also: everyone should remember that this group is for all low carbers. We are here for vegans to carnivores. We are here for high fat and even low fat (yes, low carb / low fat is unsustainable long term but we are here for those doing it... usually under doctor direction). We are here for those who want no animal fats and those (like myself) who want exclusively animal fats.
We don't have to agree. But, everyone has their place here. I will argue my position, as I am wont to do, but even if no one ever changes their minds in anyway... They are still a welcome member of this group.
A nice thing about being here is that we can disagree but still recognize that the other members are our brothers and sisters on this journey, even if they are on a slightly different path.0 -
I eat a diet similar to fit goat, and not because I choose to believe butter and cheese are healthy. I was a vegan for many years and would prefer to not eat animal products if I could. I gain weight when not eating LCHF and become less healthy with that way of eating. It is my experience that this is healthier for me, that's why I believe it. It's not for everyone, so we all need to find what works for us.0
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Kitnthecat wrote: »I disagree. I'd rather eat a Tbsp of butter all on it's own than bother to make a salad which would not fill me up or an apple which has too much sugar for my liking, and baked goods are out of the question.
Same. Salad with little or no fat makes me sick before it fills me up. I need at least some good fats, like cheese and olives and meat, for it to not do that. I've been known to take a tablespoon of so of butter to quell hunger, too.
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Clearly we all have our preferences. But if you don't work the tablespoon of butter into your daily caloric requirements, you will not lose weight. It is not a free food. And Fit_Goat, with all due respect, my body never adjusted to Atkins. After the initial water loss from cutting carbs, I gained weight on it. So unless you are planning on buying the folks you encourage to go on this plan, new larger sized wardrobes at the end of their high/calorie low carb dieting journey, I really do suggest that you encourage a more realistic and reasonable way of eating. BTW, anyone can say anything online. The proof is in the pudding.0
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Hi Q. Welcome to the group. My LCHF woe consists of 5% carbs, 20% protein, and 75% fat, which is sort of like @Fit_Goat too. I've been at this level for almost a year and haven't felt better in my life!. I was a size 20/22, and am now a 12/14. It's great that you've found your way to our wonderfully supportive group!
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Q_Is_Poison wrote: »One final work before I head out to the gym, I am not fundamentally opposed to butter if it provides comfort and solace to the folks who use it. However, I do believe that it is a high calorie food choice that could sabotage the caloric goals for many us. It is not a "free food" as Atkins would have us believe and it has virtually no health benefits. If you like it and are able to work it into your caloric goals, great. Most women would prefer something more solid such as a tossed salad with lemon juice, an apple, an egg, or even a fiber-one english muffin than a tablespoon of butter.
Honestly I don't believe your speak for "most women"
You may want to do some unbiased research to properly educate yourself on the 'evil butter' conspiracy you feel Atkins is forcing people in to.
Most of us in here don't follow Atkins to begin with that seems to be something you are assuming however.
Guess staying private didn't really solve any trolling issues.0 -
I have posted links to some very credible unbiased research. Some people simply need to lash out. How very sad.0
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Who ever said butter was a "free food" wth is even going on here. Eat your yogurt margarine, be happy. But why are you railing against others who eat butter?0
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I will continue to eat my butter,lose weight and be happy 0
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auntstephie321 wrote: »Who ever said butter was a "free food" wth is even going on here. Eat your yogurt margarine, be happy. But why are you railing against others who eat butter?
I was wondering that myself.
I am sad to see this thread at all. It reeks of ignorance and rabble rousing.
For me, who eats two meals per day plus coffee, a good breakfast can be 3 eggs scrambled in butter with a couple strips of bacon and if I am feeling like dirtying another pan, a good 4-6oz of spinach sautéed in bacon grease (which I keep in a jar in the fridge) with garlic and a splash of red wine vinegar.
Dinner tonight was 1.5 portions (out of 4) of a mix of 1lb 85/15 ground beef, 1/2 lb mushrooms, 2 tbsp butter, 1/4 cup heavy cream, 64g (3 slices) of baby Swiss cheese and salt and bunches of black pepper. It was super delicious and ran me 624 calories. It will also keep me full, until mid-afternoon tomorrow.
Dinner last night was an 8oz NY strip steak, grilled medium rare, along with a good sized portion of broccoli roasted with olive oil. 600 calories at 5pm and it kept me full while I worked a 12hr night shift.
Don't have to eat fake food to lose weight.
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Remember to keep it civil folks. 0
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I put the belligerent ones on ignore. This place is for support, not to argue the merits of butter.0
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Yes ma'am0
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Q_Is_Poison wrote: »Clearly we all have our preferences. But if you don't work the tablespoon of butter into your daily caloric requirements, you will not lose weight. It is not a free food. And Fit_Goat, with all due respect, my body never adjusted to Atkins. After the initial water loss from cutting carbs, I gained weight on it. So unless you are planning on buying the folks you encourage to go on this plan, new larger sized wardrobes at the end of their high/calorie low carb dieting journey, I really do suggest that you encourage a more realistic and reasonable way of eating. BTW, anyone can say anything online. The proof is in the pudding.
I am a petite woman (by height, anyway). I have been eating a diet that is between 60 and 70% fat since October 3. I am down 36 lbs (more than halfway to my goal). The only new wardrobe I'll need at the end of my low carb/moderate protein diet is a much smaller one.
Eating a low carb/high fat diet works for many people because it naturally decreases the caloric intake. Many who have failed at calorie counting repeatedly find fat naturally satiating - and good at reducing cravings: Resolving two challenges for many people who count calories as a means of controlling consumption.
That's not why I'm eating this way - and this way of eating is more challenging for me than merely moderating my diet to lose weight is. But it allows me to keep all my fingers and toes (and the feeling therein), my eyesight, my kidneys, and my life. Because I have diabetes, shifting carb calories to protein calories does not make good sense. The only other option is to shift them to fat.
You may want to chill out a bit, do more listening, and less talking until you get your bearings. What you learn may well surprise you. And it might decrease the number of people you offend by trashing the ways of eating this forum is dedicated to, that have helped us maintain control of our health, manage our pain, and lose weight (just to name a few).0 -
I think it is great that you are losing weight and feeling good. But by your own admission you have cut calories as well. It is impossible for a woman with a 1200 hundred calorie goal to eat 1800 calories worth of meat, butter, and cheese and not get fatter. Sorry but that is reality.0
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I eat 1600 calories a day full of heavy whipping cream, butter , meat , almonds etc. etc. and I am losing weight just fine ...Its not impossible ....you just have your mind made up that butter is bad for you and that is fine but you seem to have its my way or the highway kinda attitude and you won't get much support from us when your attitude kinda stinks just saying0
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Q_Is_Poison wrote: »I think it is great that you are losing weight and feeling good. But by your own admission you have cut calories as well. It is impossible for a woman with a 1200 hundred calorie goal to eat 1800 calories worth of meat, butter, and cheese and not get fatter. Sorry but that is reality.
Retracted. Just so not worth it.0 -
No one is saying not to count calories or moderate your portion size.
You can't lose weight without a calorie deficit.
And no one is arguing against that fact.
Fact is, you can eat butter and still maintain a deficit if you do it right.
It's better to choose saturated or monounsaturated fats. Polyunsaturated fats are much less healthy, can cause inflammation, and should be limited.
I choose lower fat options sometimes, like half&half instead of heavy cream. Or almond milk. Of choose to not add extra fats if that is going to make my calories go too high. But I still eat plenty of saturated fat. Cheese, fatty cuts of meat, bacon grease, and coconut oil. And even butter.
I lost 100lb doing that. Eating high fat. Healthiest I've ever been.
EDIT: I'm keto, not Atkins, btw.
Carbs to ketosis.
Protein to height/LBM/activity level.
Fat to fill the rest.0
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