Kidney Stones ??
javba2
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Some of what we've been using for "low carbing" - Spinach - Meats - Peanut butter - SoyNuts seem to be getting some bad rep - Spinach: Oxalates - and Kidney Stones. Soynuts - Anti-Androgenic?. What have you heard - and any alternatives.
More questions here than answers - Thanks
More questions here than answers - Thanks
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Well, most here know my opinion on this. I don't eat spinach, peanuts, or soy. In part, for the reasons you hint at above.
That said, I think if you're keeping hydrated an don't have preexisting issues with your kidneys, your risk for stones won't be dramatically higher on this diet. It really depends on how much of each you are eating. If you are doing two green smoothies a day made from spinach, your risk is a lot higher than someone eating it a couple times a week with dinner.0 -
You could find negative research on just about everything that we would consume for food. I think it's important to consider the nutritional values that you personally need, the health concerns that you need to address as an individual and then work from there.
I love peanut butter, but I don't consider it to provide sufficient nutrition and it kills my blood sugar, so it's not on my food list (nor are the fake Quest PB cups that I was hooked on for a while). I try to keep my soy to a minimum due to a variety of health issues it's tied to, though I do use soy sauce and miso/dashi soup for my sodium.
Spinach is one of the veg I only eat organic, but that's nothing to do with oxalates. I won't be crossing any staple veg off my list until I see some serious in depth, long term research studies. I need something to eat besides meat. Sorry Fit_Goat
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It's a real risk. Ask me how I know.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239560/kidney-stones/p1
Oxalte intake increases risk for CaOx stones. Protein intake increases risk for uric acid stones.0 -
Yikes @wabmester sounds awful. Thxs for warning n info.0
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We're walking chemistry sets. All of the conditions have to be right to make stones. The diet can provide all the ingredients, but as @FIT_Goat mentioned, hydration levels are the final determinant. Stone risk goes up in the summer, in warm places, and in occupations that tend to be dehydrating.0
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I have a dear friend who, inspired by seeing my transformation, started Keto beginning of 2015. She is T1D. Did very well, dropped weight, all diabetic med levels lowered, good blood work / lab results back, completely reversed Stage 3 Kidney Failure. Unfortunately, she has several other health issues (Hashimoto's) and more recently a few months ago was put on a low oxalate diet because he body just creates them like crazy. It's made following Keto much more challenging for her now since it's cut out some very good sources of health fats (all seeds and nuts) and she likes her vegetables too much to give them up and go 100% carnivore. Staying hydrated is key to helping avoid kidney stones...however, as we all know, people's bodies greatly differ from person to person especially with respect to how each body reacts to different diets and foods.
OP - do you have problems with your body creating stones?0 -
Doctor Nally was talking about a reduced risk of stones due to lower uric acid on Keto in one of the Keto talk episodes.0
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I heard that podcast! That's when I stopped listening to him.
Just about every study of ketogenic diets shows an increase in uric acid. Not necessarily a bad thing, since uric acid can act as an antioxidant at some levels.
Mine was off the charts.
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I heard that podcast! That's when I stopped listening to him.
Just about every study of ketogenic diets shows an increase in uric acid. Not necessarily a bad thing, since uric acid can act as an antioxidant at some levels.
Mine was off the charts.
I was remembering you as I was listening, thinking that didn't seem right. I knew you had sourced all kinds of supporting info when you first mentioned your stone experience.0 -
I keep taking Vit D3 and Vit K2 to help prevent calcium based stones hoping the K2 does a good job of telling Calcium where to go. After a year my teeth feel smoother and seem to be a lot less yellow. Hopefully my bones are getting stronger too.0
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As you can see from my lab work, urine calcium was fine. Many pieces of the puzzle.
The changes in uric acid are kind of interesting. Theory seems to be that ketones compete with uric acid, so we dump ketones, and uric acid increases in the blood.
As soon as you increase dietary carbs a bit, opposite happens, and we dump excess uric acid in higher quantity than usual. Might be part of my particular puzzle.0 -
I heard that podcast! That's when I stopped listening to him.
Just about every study of ketogenic diets shows an increase in uric acid. Not necessarily a bad thing, since uric acid can act as an antioxidant at some levels.
Mine was off the charts.
Funny that you mentioned Uric acid. One of my toes has been painful and I was questioning gout which got me thinking any connection0 -
Ouch. Don't know how long you've been LC or what carb level you're targeting, but reducing fructose intake can help. So can increasing carb intake (e.g., targeting mild ketosis).
Some evidence that blood levels normalize after a couple months.
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Ouch. Don't know how long you've been LC or what carb level you're targeting, but reducing fructose intake can help. So can increasing carb intake (e.g., targeting mild ketosis).
Some evidence that blood levels normalize after a couple months.
Thanks 20g and under. Not very long. I've never experienced gout so I'm not positive. I hear it's awful. This pain isn't debilitating 0
