Bacon/Sausage..Regular or Turkey
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nicsflyingcircus wrote: »nicsflyingcircus wrote: »Hey OP! The brainwashing is real! I'm an RN, and the change in thought process has been difficult to overcome! But I'm glad I did, because I'm healthier than I've ever been!
The above advice on adding fat is spot on! Best of luck! You can get there too!!
I am also an RN but fortunately other than what foods to avoid with which meds I more or less ignored any nutrition info in school. I want to yell at all my diabetic patients (and you get a lot of those in ortho) to stop eating so many carbs, but I am not allowed to do that. I do however, pretty much refuse to bring them regular soda and chocolate milk and such in a way that makes them think how smart they are, lol
You can't tell them not to eat carbs? That's sad.. Can you give them resources on what carbs do to your body as an educational thing and let them decide for themselves? Many people including myself years ago had no idea carbs turned into glucose once they enter your body. The whole "healthy grain, whole grain" thing was embedded in my mind and I thought carbs were healthy, so I was eating bread, pasta, rice, anything that said whole grain or whole wheat.
We do "education" but unfortunately we have to adhere to the ADA recommendations for dietary stuff. I definitely push the no carby snacks, no chocolate milk, no ice cream, no sugary soda with these patients though. If I just had to give you 8 units of regular insulin per sliding scale on top of the 65 units of Lantus you get in the morning and the 35 units with each meal (and they are planning to cut off your toe/foot/lower leg) then I don't care how you whine, I am not enabling you.
People are literally trading their limbs for another sugar fix. Super sad stuff right there.
And people don't believe it's addictive... You even hear things like "people don't ruin their lives eating sugar"...
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nicsflyingcircus wrote: »nicsflyingcircus wrote: »Hey OP! The brainwashing is real! I'm an RN, and the change in thought process has been difficult to overcome! But I'm glad I did, because I'm healthier than I've ever been!
The above advice on adding fat is spot on! Best of luck! You can get there too!!
I am also an RN but fortunately other than what foods to avoid with which meds I more or less ignored any nutrition info in school. I want to yell at all my diabetic patients (and you get a lot of those in ortho) to stop eating so many carbs, but I am not allowed to do that. I do however, pretty much refuse to bring them regular soda and chocolate milk and such in a way that makes them think how smart they are, lol
You can't tell them not to eat carbs? That's sad.. Can you give them resources on what carbs do to your body as an educational thing and let them decide for themselves? Many people including myself years ago had no idea carbs turned into glucose once they enter your body. The whole "healthy grain, whole grain" thing was embedded in my mind and I thought carbs were healthy, so I was eating bread, pasta, rice, anything that said whole grain or whole wheat.
We do "education" but unfortunately we have to adhere to the ADA recommendations for dietary stuff. I definitely push the no carby snacks, no chocolate milk, no ice cream, no sugary soda with these patients though. If I just had to give you 8 units of regular insulin per sliding scale on top of the 65 units of Lantus you get in the morning and the 35 units with each meal (and they are planning to cut off your toe/foot/lower leg) then I don't care how you whine, I am not enabling you.
Yea, when I was taking insulin, 331 lbs, diabetic, I took 50-60 units of fast acting insulin after each meal, and 60 units of the solastar before bed. Did this for many years.
After one month of Keto, I stopped all diabetic meds, insulin, including glipizide, and stopped taking blood pressure med and cholesterol med (statin). I kept on taking glucophage, but I am now off that as well. I'm off all meds. Eating the correct foods, are my "meds".
It's a shame you can't tell these people this info!4 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ktilton70130 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ktilton70130 wrote: »Yep, eat the regular stuff. On low carb we need fat to increase satiety. Otherwise you turn around in an hour and are hungry again. But, if you prefer the taste of the turkey types, go for it! Just add fat in other foods.
ok I guess my other question is how would I add the fat, dont judge me,lol okay for example this morning I had to boiled eggs, a one turkey sausage patty and green tea where would I add the fat?
Does that keep you satisfied for 4-6 hours? If yes, no need to change anything. If no, scramble the eggs in butter instead. Or make them deviled by adding mayo, mustard and dill pickle relish.
Or don't eat low fat meat and keep the boiled egg...
Or, if you're not insulin resistant or diabetic, eat more protein instead. But again, I wouldn't choose low fat protein.
I eat every 3 hours, so yes it keeps me full for 3 hours . I eat 3 meals and 2-3 snacks a day. I am not a cheese eater and no I am not a diabetic. I will continue to try and see what works.
So, I would ditch the low fat meats then so that you can feel satisfied and not have to eat so often. If you're hungry in 3 hours, I don't think your fueling yourself properly. Try to adjust the foods chosen with the goal of eating 3 meals and no snacks as a starting point. It's not uncommon to eat only 1 or 2 meals on lchf because of the hunger control. This doesn't mean a person isn't eating enough calories though. But you can tap into stored fat between those meals rather than fueling yourself on consumed food every 3 hours.
I eat an average of every 3-4 hours. I have eaten that way for years. How do I eat enough at a time where I'm not stuffed but can go 5-6 hours instead? I drink plenty of water....it doesn't help me stay full either. My fiance ears lunch and dinner and I can never figure out how he can wait until afternoon to eat. Sometimes I even wake up starving in the middle of the night! It's rough....I'd love to be able to fast for at least 12-16 hours but I get sick if I wait too long to eat. Help!!1 -
morrowsarah wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ktilton70130 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ktilton70130 wrote: »Yep, eat the regular stuff. On low carb we need fat to increase satiety. Otherwise you turn around in an hour and are hungry again. But, if you prefer the taste of the turkey types, go for it! Just add fat in other foods.
ok I guess my other question is how would I add the fat, dont judge me,lol okay for example this morning I had to boiled eggs, a one turkey sausage patty and green tea where would I add the fat?
Does that keep you satisfied for 4-6 hours? If yes, no need to change anything. If no, scramble the eggs in butter instead. Or make them deviled by adding mayo, mustard and dill pickle relish.
Or don't eat low fat meat and keep the boiled egg...
Or, if you're not insulin resistant or diabetic, eat more protein instead. But again, I wouldn't choose low fat protein.
I eat every 3 hours, so yes it keeps me full for 3 hours . I eat 3 meals and 2-3 snacks a day. I am not a cheese eater and no I am not a diabetic. I will continue to try and see what works.
So, I would ditch the low fat meats then so that you can feel satisfied and not have to eat so often. If you're hungry in 3 hours, I don't think your fueling yourself properly. Try to adjust the foods chosen with the goal of eating 3 meals and no snacks as a starting point. It's not uncommon to eat only 1 or 2 meals on lchf because of the hunger control. This doesn't mean a person isn't eating enough calories though. But you can tap into stored fat between those meals rather than fueling yourself on consumed food every 3 hours.
I eat an average of every 3-4 hours. I have eaten that way for years. How do I eat enough at a time where I'm not stuffed but can go 5-6 hours instead? I drink plenty of water....it doesn't help me stay full either. My fiance ears lunch and dinner and I can never figure out how he can wait until afternoon to eat. Sometimes I even wake up starving in the middle of the night! It's rough....I'd love to be able to fast for at least 12-16 hours but I get sick if I wait too long to eat. Help!!
One thing that might help is to reframe your mind. The names of your "meal" segments in your diary are amusing, but if they're reflective of your actual thoughts on things, that might be part of the issue.
It's also possible that a lot of it is habitual. You're getting hungry, because you're so trained to eat so frequently.
One thing that can help to change that habit is to try to put off eating at the snack times. Just push it off 15 minutes each day. Before you know it, you'll have eliminated a snack time.
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morrowsarah wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ktilton70130 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »ktilton70130 wrote: »Yep, eat the regular stuff. On low carb we need fat to increase satiety. Otherwise you turn around in an hour and are hungry again. But, if you prefer the taste of the turkey types, go for it! Just add fat in other foods.
ok I guess my other question is how would I add the fat, dont judge me,lol okay for example this morning I had to boiled eggs, a one turkey sausage patty and green tea where would I add the fat?
Does that keep you satisfied for 4-6 hours? If yes, no need to change anything. If no, scramble the eggs in butter instead. Or make them deviled by adding mayo, mustard and dill pickle relish.
Or don't eat low fat meat and keep the boiled egg...
Or, if you're not insulin resistant or diabetic, eat more protein instead. But again, I wouldn't choose low fat protein.
I eat every 3 hours, so yes it keeps me full for 3 hours . I eat 3 meals and 2-3 snacks a day. I am not a cheese eater and no I am not a diabetic. I will continue to try and see what works.
So, I would ditch the low fat meats then so that you can feel satisfied and not have to eat so often. If you're hungry in 3 hours, I don't think your fueling yourself properly. Try to adjust the foods chosen with the goal of eating 3 meals and no snacks as a starting point. It's not uncommon to eat only 1 or 2 meals on lchf because of the hunger control. This doesn't mean a person isn't eating enough calories though. But you can tap into stored fat between those meals rather than fueling yourself on consumed food every 3 hours.
I eat an average of every 3-4 hours. I have eaten that way for years. How do I eat enough at a time where I'm not stuffed but can go 5-6 hours instead? I drink plenty of water....it doesn't help me stay full either. My fiance ears lunch and dinner and I can never figure out how he can wait until afternoon to eat. Sometimes I even wake up starving in the middle of the night! It's rough....I'd love to be able to fast for at least 12-16 hours but I get sick if I wait too long to eat. Help!!
I heard someone once say "if you're not able to comfortably go 4-6 hours between meals without snacks, then you're eating the wrong foods." I don't recall who it was but it made perfect sense to me and I think that's where the idea of making sure to eat more fat comes from.
This is sometimes a contradicting piece of advice because you also hear us on this forum, saying you don't have to meet your fat "goal". Like, it's not really a goal to reach as much as it is a suggestion. But, each meal needs a certain amount of the right fat and protein in order to create that long term satisfied feeling.
If you eat a salad with a small amount of dressing, even if it's a big salad that leaves you feeling full, it probably won't hold you over as long as having a much smaller salad with a good serving of full fat dressing, cheese and some meat on it. You will feel just as full after eating each one, but one of them will stick with you, metabolically, for a longer time.
Eat 4 ounces lean chicken or eat 4 ounces fatty beef and you'll find you're more satisfied for a longer time with the beef. If chicken is what you have, you can add a butter cream sauce or cheese or just butter... to get that longer satisfaction.
If I drink coffee with half n half, I can't make it til 2:30pm before eating again. But if I add a tablespoon of coconut oil I can. Sure I'm adding calories, but it's preventing me from needing a snack and I am not starving at 2:30 and I am able to eat a proper sized lunch, which is also high in fat so that I don't need to eat again til dinner about 6:30. And again, my appetite is completely controlled so that I don't overeat or make bad choices at dinner either.
It's rare that I find that I need a snack. I wouldn't even say that times I choose to eat one was based on hunger at all but more just because I wanted something that looked good.
There is definitely something to the idea that we are programmed to eat at certain times completely out of habit. I think this is especially true for anyone that may have even the slightest hyperinsulinemia because as the blood sugar begins to fall, hunger is signaled because of the presence on insulin. When my daughter had chronically high blood sugar she would be convinced it was going low at times because she would get shaky and feel like she was ravenously hungry. A blood sugar check would show that it was actually around 150-180... Because it was falling down to normal levels in response to taking an insulin injection, her body responded by triggering hunger. That was still a high blood sugar and she had to learn to ignore those false hunger signals. Even though they felt so real and overwhelming.3 -
The above, couldn't have said it better myself... Once you start eating 70-80 % fat, you won't need inbetween snacks. It's a nice freedom you get from low carbing...2
