How many grams fit into low-carb and a billion other questions?
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Do you still eat grains at all? If not, when was the last time you had any?
One thing I found was that my allergies receded when I avoided grains for an extended period of time (generally, it takes about a month to see major differences, though noticeable changes can happen in a week or so). I suspect this is due to the damage that grains do (leaky gut = unauthorized particles escaping gut = immune system on overdrive), and the healing that needs to and does take place.
Also, aged meat of any sort has a high level of histamines. This includes salmon. Additionally, salmon is actually quite known for histamine poisoning.
As for pork, it's really its own beast -- https://zerocarbzen.com/pork/ -- but again, aged meat of any sort, which most supermarket meat is aged, is fairly high in histamines. "Fresh" supermarket meat isn't really as fresh as you think.
Here are some more resources on that matter:
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/histamine-intolerance-science/
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/histamine-intolerance/
https://zerocarbzen.com/histamines/
The body still produces bile, since the bile is produced by the liver. It just doesn't have a specific chamber in which to store it. There is actually still the duct between the liver and the gut, where some will be stored. As I mentioned before, there are whole threads on low carb without a gallbladder in the Launch Pad. Be sure to read through them.1 -
@Dragonwolf:
Thank you for friending me and allowing me to be on this thread. I am always amazed at how delicate and intricate the workings of the human body are. For example, my poor husband is so allergic to dust, no matter how much I "wet down" and "undust" the house. @RunRachelleRun, I sympathize! 0 -
@Dragonwolf: Thank you for friending me and for allowing me to join this forum/thread. I am always amazed and awed by the intricate and delicate workings of the human body. @RunRachelleRun, I sympathize! I would love any of you as Low-Carb friends, if anyone would like to read my bio? Thanks and good luck 0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »Do you still eat grains at all? If not, when was the last time you had any?
One thing I found was that my allergies receded when I avoided grains for an extended period of time (generally, it takes about a month to see major differences, though noticeable changes can happen in a week or so). I suspect this is due to the damage that grains do (leaky gut = unauthorized particles escaping gut = immune system on overdrive), and the healing that needs to and does take place.
Also, aged meat of any sort has a high level of histamines. This includes salmon. Additionally, salmon is actually quite known for histamine poisoning.
As for pork, it's really its own beast -- https://zerocarbzen.com/pork/ -- but again, aged meat of any sort, which most supermarket meat is aged, is fairly high in histamines. "Fresh" supermarket meat isn't really as fresh as you think.
Here are some more resources on that matter:
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/histamine-intolerance-science/
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/histamine-intolerance/
https://zerocarbzen.com/histamines/
The body still produces bile, since the bile is produced by the liver. It just doesn't have a specific chamber in which to store it. There is actually still the duct between the liver and the gut, where some will be stored. As I mentioned before, there are whole threads on low carb without a gallbladder in the Launch Pad. Be sure to read through them.
Another thing I've only recently become aware of is that many stones are created in the liver, even after the gallbladder has been removed, and can continue to cause issues. So if you have liver pains, I'd definitely look into liver support supplements, even if you don't want to go back to the digestive enzymes situation. For me, the digestive enzymes work best with fatty meals that are low carb. If I have higher carbs, I have to add more Betaine separately. I started with it, but have found that a more rounded enzyme blend works better for me...particularly since I was developing major issues with things after hitting walls on a cycle with my fat digestions...0 -
@RunRachelleRun You can use a bike, sure, or just walk out to it. I've never gotten permission from a race, first. I imagine that carrying Nuun tabs would be difficult, as then you have to wait for them to dissolve when added to water...
Carrying the Endurolytes caps is quite easy. A small Ziploc bag weighs nothing and will keep the caps safe from sweat in a shorts or jersey pocket. Experiment a bit but most people won't need more than one per hour unless it's crazy hot and humid - so for a half you wouldn't need more than three caps for the whole race, and only two if you take one right before the start.
Full disclosure, I'm admittedly a bit of a Hammer fanboy even though I have completely stopped using any of their carb-based products. Their supplements are absolutely excellent though, clinical quality, and have been immensely beneficial through all my health issues and athletic endeavors. My functional medicine doc even likes them.1 -
@Majcolorado Yeah, those Hammer capsules sound perfect for me too. I have never seen or heard of Hammer up here (Canada), but it says they are sold at a couple of local bike shops, so I'm going to go look for them on the weekend. Otherwise, it looks like I can order them online. I am truly grateful for your suggestion. There's so much stuff out there, it's hard to know where to start without referrals!0
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@Dragonwolf Thank you for the new links. I will do more research. We purchased our salmon fresh from the fisherman, so it truly was fresh. I am scared to read anything about the fresh status of other meats, especially now that I'm going to be eating more than ever lol
Yes, I just had grains yesterday by accident. My husband puts croutons on our dinner salad and I thought nothing of it until I logged them. I'm only on day 4 of lowering my carbs.
I have had a shellfish and penicillin allergy since childhood, but I went through a bad spell where I developed a few new allergies requiring emergency medical treatment shortly after my son was born (peanuts, lentils, chickpeas, and eggs).
When I subsequently went for allergy testing, the results were that I was allergic to grass pollens, dust, mould, rosin/colophony, nickel, peanuts, soy, eggs, dairy, and wheat (not gluten - that is a different test). Those are the ones I remember at least. Some reactions were more severe than others, and I had an anaphylactic reaction during the testing. I've also had severe reactions that I was never tested for: oranges, coconut, latex, Advil (NSAIDS).
Scared straight by my allergist, I went off all those foods and a few others for two years. I then started trying to re-introduce some of the foods (against my allergist's advice). Dairy and wheat are the only ones I was successful with, though on a repeat skin test, I still had a positive reaction (the IgE blood and prior to that the RAST were negative). I also can also tolerate low amounts of soy, but generally have to avoid soy protein.
I do believe in leaky gut and it is the only explanation that makes sense to me about how one suddenly develops an allergy after years of not having one. Another thought I have, with no evidence to support it lol, is that something happened when I had my son; I have RH- blood and he was positive and they gave me some antibodies so I wouldn't reject him. Link? Possible.
Yes, I definitely still produce bile and most of the time it's enough, but the gallbladder does serve a valuable purpose, so I hesitate to accept that the loss of it has no impact (speaking for myself only). I have read through all the threads. It seems some people notice no change after surgery while others experience a host of problems. This fits with what my surgeon told me. There is a range of post-operation outcomes. I seem to fall somewhere in the middle.
Sorry for such a long explanation. Thanks again for your input and information!1 -
@KnitOrMiss Yes, I wonder sometimes if I'm still creating stones. I have read some people continue to. My doctor doesn't feel like I've experienced anything that warrants a new ultrasound at this time.
Do you have a good enzyme without Betaine that you like? I've had trouble finding one that seemed to work. I stopped taking them, because I just didn't feel like they were helping. I do carry one for fat only (lipase) in my purse for occasions when I am out and tempted into a big fatty steak or rich dessert.
And just to clarify, what is your definition of low carb for a meal? Sorry, I'm trying to learn! Yesterday, I think had 72g for the day. My highest fat meal was dinner: 25g fat, 14g protein, and 26g of carbs. My morning meal was 21g fat, 59g protein, and 11g carbs. Would either of these fall into a low-carb, high-fat meal?
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RunRachelleRun wrote: »@KnitOrMiss Yes, I wonder sometimes if I'm still creating stones. I have read some people continue to. My doctor doesn't feel like I've experienced anything that warrants a new ultrasound at this time.
Do you have a good enzyme without Betaine that you like? I've had trouble finding one that seemed to work. I stopped taking them, because I just didn't feel like they were helping. I do carry one for fat only (lipase) in my purse for occasions when I am out and tempted into a big fatty steak or rich dessert.
And just to clarify, what is your definition of low carb for a meal? Sorry, I'm trying to learn! Yesterday, I think had 72g for the day. My highest fat meal was dinner: 25g fat, 14g protein, and 26g of carbs. My morning meal was 21g fat, 59g protein, and 11g carbs. Would either of these fall into a low-carb, high-fat meal?
Thanks!
@RunRachelleRun
If you have ever created stones, chances are you still are. Dr. Berg is a doctor who focuses on digestions and such, and he has a whole WEALTH of web videos and articles on all this. He does sell his own supplements, but I haven't bought any specifically. There are a few things that if you look under the supplements for liver/gallbladder stuff that can help naturally with possible stones and things (if you don't want to get his particular formula)... I haven't ever had my liver checked, but considering how poorly I ate for DECADES, I can only imagine...
The enzyme I currently use has the Betaine in it, but it's a lower mg than the one I was using before. I started with 648 mg, and I was struggling to find a balance with it, ACV, and using them together. I couldn't take the ACV before the meal without misery, so I had to do it at the beginning of the meal. Then, at my doctor's suggestion, I started taking the ACV pills (easy dosing, no problems with teeth acidity, etc.). Not too long after all that, while I was still struggling with how much Betaine to use (an article I saw suggested finding your threshold, because efficacy varies so much from person to person, and is generally at a higher dosage than most folks expect, and I discovered that my max was 1 pill WITH ACV, 2 alone, and a max of 3 a day. That was WAY lower than most folks on the site I was using...). My friend finally convinced me, as did my own research, and discussions on here, that I might actually benefit from the addition of the Ox Bile Extract (as the Rx crap they give you - Questran - did not help me at all, but I wasn't low carb with it or anything. But it works differently, and I didn't like how it worked...), in addition to a more balanced enzyme blend. So I got the blend (NOW brand Super Enzymes). And other than one higher carb AND higher fat meal, I've been golden with 1 pill of each, after a bite or two of food. The blend I use now has about 200 mg of Betaine HCL with many other things in it. At first, I figured "more was better" right? Oh, how wrong I was!
That being said, google found these options:
http://www.houston-enzymes.com/store/
I didn't read this whole article, but it seemed intelligently written. https://jonbarron.org/enzymes/enzymes-part-2-3
This articles covers using bitters as a alternative to Betaine, so there might be food info here: http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1480779 This one seems the most intelligent to me, so far.
More interesting info: http://www.drclarkstore.com/digestive-enzymes-guide.html
As for what's a low carb high fat meal? It's really relative. To me, I'd say breakfast was high protein - but still moderate fat, low carb - for more maintenance meal, this would be great - or as part of a fattier day, fine. Dinner was "balanced." For me, a low carb meal generally has twice the amount of fat as carbs, with protein at the same level as fat or lower than it. I just went and logged my lunch today as an example.
4 eggs, whipped with 1-2 TBSP heavy cream, microwaved. Topped with seasoned salt, nutritional yeast, 1 TBSP of butter (balances the NY), black forest ham, extra sharp cheddar cheese. Total macros are:
800 calories, 9 grams carbs, 60 grams fat, 55 grams protein
It is DEFINITELY what I'd consider high fat/low carb...(I was really hungry today...readapting and such)...
But I've made much smaller meals with similar ratios. But that's all depending... Like I said, at least twice as much fats as carbs, protein same range as fat - but at least not double...
Please don't hesitate to ask more questions about anything. Heck, half the time I learn as much from researching to feel comfortable answered a question as I do from anything I've already learned - putting it another way makes my brain form another connection to hold/retain more data...0 -
@baconslave Will you please add this post to the "open" posts about low stomach acid/no gallbladder/etc. resources? Please and thank you, ma'am.0
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@KnitOrMiss Liver problems often show up in blood work, so I wouldn't worry.
The betaine worked for me for a long time. Then it just seemed to bring new problems.
I want to find some ox bile on its own. It seems I will have to order it online, which I am a little scared of ... not sure how to trust the quality.
I have tried bitters. Wasn't sure if they helped. But I am a fan of fresh and dried ginger and have both often. Some resources say it is a bitter.
Ha, I can see my meals are not high-fat yet. 60g sounds like a lot. I have a ways to go. Baby steps! Thanks for clarifying and for all your research.0 -
I like this brand, though I haven't tried this exact formula: https://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Factors-Supports-Absorption/dp/B0013OSHHK/
This brand seems popular and has good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/Ox-Bile-125-180-Capsules/dp/B003GHA5GS/
This one has ox bile and enzymes, without betaine...https://www.amazon.com/Douglas-Laboratories®-Extract-Pancreatin-Digestion/dp/B0014E8PPS/
Liver problems do, yes, but my understanding was that stones wouldn't necessarily turn up if not related to another issue??
As for the rest, I thought I'd tried everything, too, but I'm happy to know I haven't. I believe Dr. Berg's site has ox bile on it's own, as far as verified products - other suggestions are above...
That's pretty high fat for a single meal, to be honest. Most folks are around 80-140 grams a day....so divide that in 3, roughly.1 -
Thanks for the supp recommendations!
Oh yeah, that's likely true about stones from the liver. I believe I read they show up as attacks similar to gallbladder. I only have some annoying pain in that site, nothing like the gallbladder attacks, thank goodness.
I think my day is coming in around 76g fat today and was 74g yesterday, so pretty high fat for me. Higher than I'm used to or thought was possible without the gallbladder. I'll call it a success for now!1 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »@baconslave Will you please add this post to the "open" posts about low stomach acid/no gallbladder/etc. resources? Please and thank you, ma'am.
now that I've gotten the laptop to cooperate it be done.1 -
@Dragonwolf I found an excellent resource on the histamine intolerance. It was linked in one of the articles, and did a great job of explaining it in relation to how you might tell it apart from other allergies: judytsafrirmd.com/histamine-intolerance-gaps-and-low-carb/
Since I have immediate reactions and test positive, it would appear some don't fit. I do look forward to discussing it further with my allergist. I would love to try it, but it is hard for me to know how to go about lowering these foods because, well, cheese, nuts, olives, and avocados are what I have primarily added to my diet since going low-carb on Monday. Thanks for the link to zerocarbzen. I am going to explore that today.
My digestion is better than ever, so you all gave me great advice. I have only had a couple of minor problems. Tons of water and electrolytes seem to be helping, which brings up a new issue after doing some research. I'll make a new thread for that.
Anyway, thanks, everyone!1
