New study on artificial sweeteners affecting glucose tolerance

KnitOrMiss

cstehansen wrote: »

@KnitOrMiss, @RalfLott & @Sunny_Bunny_ - I thought I would call you out specifically since you are the ones that seem as obsessed (or in the case of @KnitOrMiss possibly more obsessed) with medical research as I am. Given the findings of this in relation to the gut microbiome and the improvement they found in mice when giving them antibiotics, do you think taking a probiotic or prebiotic (I am not well versed on either) could help to reverse damage done by these artificial sweeteners?

Also, I was wondering if more people weren't affected because of the trace amounts of antibiotics we get from eating the standard raised meat. Given roughly 80% of all antibiotic consumption in the US is for commercially raised animals to keep them from getting sick, at least some of that has got to end up in the meat we are eating.

@cstehansen - I have caught up on this thread and need to go read the full article now, but I am one of those who posted originally that one of the thyroid folks we've been listening to in the various summits claimed to have research representing data that said anything in a pink, blue, or yellow packet was causing reactions in the gut, period. Some folks, with more resilient stomach acid seemed to have less issues, whereas someone like myself who either had or developed a compromised thyroid, combined with a removed gallbladder, resulted in low enough stomach acid to facilitate further issues. A combination of probiotics, diatomaceous earth, and a low carb diet helped me reverse the majority of my obvious symptoms, though I don't know if I'm really better or worse off as I've had no formal testing before or after...

For me, I had what I deemed insulin reactions to sucralose (at least the packets), as I'd hard crash worse that sugar with them, and I had this reaction even to things like Truvia at first, but having gotten to a point of using primarily SweetLeaf brand Stevia, and the occasional monkfruit or erythritol blends, and only sweetening to tolerance, I have this reaction far, FAR less these days, despite the fact that I'm not at keto levels consistently anymore.

baconslave

cstehansen wrote: »

For the record I posted this in the place where I believed it would be read by those who would be most helped by it and be most open to reading scientific data that could actually help them in their pursuit of better health. (Was that sucking up enough?)

There's nothing at all wrong with your thread.



Here's the Cliff Notes of what I'm saying:
Do:
Post studies and discuss or debate (politely of course)
Go participate in the Main Forum if you like

Do Not:
Discuss the Main Forums in the group (as per MFP)
Talk about Main Forum threads or how you are going to post them and encourage others to follow you (as per MFP. They fear divisive shenanigans as a result. Organizing drama...and etc.)

I know you guys aren't going to go be ugly. But rules is rules, and I have to say something. If I don't say something, and someone else reports it, scrutiny won't go over well, even if we are innocent. It will look as if we Group Mods aren't doing our jobs.

So that's enough of that. Carry on.

RalfLott wrote: »

@cstehansen -

No, you're in the right place!

To get back to your question about pre/probiotics rightng the sins of sucralose, I really wish I had something close to an answer, but I'll be happy to sniff around.

I finally found an excellent nutritionist (who'd'a thunk it?), who thinks we should be taking them daily - and rotating them - daily. I'll run the questionnaire by her next visit.

You also wondered about the effects of consuming antibiotics (not to mention hormones) in animal products. I'll add that question to the list. I suspect people have such strong feelings pro- or contra-meat that every study is destined to be assailed before the ink is dry.

But there's no way I'm eating a fast food burger with bacon for dessert until someone proves Hormel served that stuff to our cavemen ancestors.

PS Thx for including me, however undeserved, in such august company.

I have heard from several places that everyone should have 2 prebiotic foods daily and at least 1 heaping tablespoon of fermented something with good bugs in it. Kimchi, kraut, kombucha, and etc. Daily to maintain basic gut health. I think Dr. Tom O'Bryan was the last one during the Dr Amy Meyers's Thyroid Summit.

RalfLott

baconslave wrote: »

I have heard from several places that everyone should have 2 prebiotic foods daily and at least 1 heaping tablespoon of fermented something with good bugs in it. Kimchi, kraut, kombucha, and etc. Daily to maintain basic gut health. I think Dr. Tom O'Bryan was the last one during the Dr Amy Meyers's Thyroid Summit.

He's a sage - happy to take his word for it. Thanks for the summary.

RalfLott

Alzheimer's, Inflammation, & Gut Health

Dr. Perlmutter interviews Dr. Molly Fox, biological anthropologist at UCLA.

https://youtu.be/PiW9yGZ2G2g

Sarahb29

baconslave wrote: »

I have heard from several places that everyone should have 2 prebiotic foods daily and at least 1 heaping tablespoon of fermented something with good bugs in it. Kimchi, kraut, kombucha, and etc. Daily to maintain basic gut health. I think Dr. Tom O'Bryan was the last one during the Dr Amy Meyers's Thyroid Summit.

I'll take any excuse to eat sauerkraut, I've fallen in love with it lately. I basically set up a plate of nothing but random meats, cheeses, pickles and sauerkraut and snack while I watch TV. It looks like I'm about to host a party but I really just like eating a lot of small things lol.

KnitOrMiss

I really wish I could tolerate fermented foods without triggering histamine reactions and migraines. I miss my Kombucha and sauerkraut more than I can say...