Keto straight talk
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Great reminder!!! Thanks for sharing!1
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I stopped reading after about paragraph 6 because every paragraph was the same "I AM NOT TALKING TO THE PEOPLE FOR WHOM A KETOGENIC DIET MAKES YOU FEEL GREAT BUT TO THOSE WHO DO NOT FEEL WELL ON A KETOGENIC DIET"....ok get to your point. I feel great on keto and have no health issues and have always been in a normal BMI range. I'm not doing keto for therapeutic medical reasons or for considerable weight loss but because I generally agree with the idea of eating whole food sources, restricting processed foods, minimizing carb intake and insulin and BG levels. I know that the article is not for me but I wanted to keep reading it. But after 6 paragraphs of saying the same thing I had to abandon.4
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I stopped reading after about paragraph 6 because every paragraph was the same "I AM NOT TALKING TO THE PEOPLE FOR WHOM A KETOGENIC DIET MAKES YOU FEEL GREAT BUT TO THOSE WHO DO NOT FEEL WELL ON A KETOGENIC DIET"....ok get to your point. I feel great on keto and have no health issues and have always been in a normal BMI range. I'm not doing keto for therapeutic medical reasons or for considerable weight loss but because I generally agree with the idea of eating whole food sources, restricting processed foods, minimizing carb intake and insulin and BG levels. I know that the article is not for me but I wanted to keep reading it. But after 6 paragraphs of saying the same thing I had to abandon.
She said that because she knew she'd get backlash from people that follow the medically therapeutic version of keto for absolutely no medical reason what so ever because they think it doesn't work otherwise.
So, that was the gist of it. Trying to convince people that are basically eating incredibly little protein and guzzling fat because they think it must be done that way regardless if they are feeling bad or not.4 -
And what she also said was there's nothing wrong with whole unprocessed carbs. I believe her comment was something to the effect of there being a difference between a parsnip and Lucky Charms and folks need to learn the difference.
My favorite line of hers was somthing to the effect of if your a healthy, reasonably active individual there I'd no reason to eat like a child with intractable epilepsy.
It really is a great read especially for those who struggle with eating keto. The short point being: one does not have to eat keto. Eat low carb.10 -
I didn't find this article super productive but it made me feel comfortable about dropping the fats in coffee earlier in the day some days. I eat nuts and cheese a little later. I do get hungry earlier now, but it may not be a terrible thing.
The best thing that happened was through the thread links somehow ending up reading Dr. Fung's notes on protein intake. Wish I knew what he wrote sooner.5 -
I didn't find this article super productive but it made me feel comfortable about dropping the fats in coffee earlier in the day some days. I eat nuts and cheese a little later. I do get hungry earlier now, but it may not be a terrible thing.
The best thing that happened was through the thread links somehow ending up reading Dr. Fung's notes on protein intake. Wish I knew what he wrote sooner.
I don't immediately find deliberately catabolizing LBM a good thing, but at least Dr Fung did most of his studies with "normal" bodies of today unlike a previous study done with the super lean, 70's body, woodstock attendees. Well of course those folks lost LBM at alarming rates because they had nothing else to give up for energy. Fung's research makes more sense when considering fat adaption and having excess body fat to offer up as fuel offering a sparring affect for LBM.4 -
I think it's good to note that context matters. When I'm not running or running very little, strict keto is great, but I prefer low carb when I am training. And yeah, GU for runs >7miles. But speed matters to me.
As a "smaller" person, I must say I find keto easiest to stick to when I do eat *a lot* of fat. But I also find that once I sneak a little carbs in, it's hard not to add more and more and more.3 -
Amy is great! Love her posts! She has helped me figure out so much!3
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I'm still new to Keto. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! An excellent read. *bookmarked*2
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Thank you so much for posting this! I have a few friends who first told me about this WOE and they do traditional keto with extremely high fat. They are also all fairly slim, but not too athletic. I was worried about all the fat, and since I'm a nurse, I questioned the high fat for me. I love the way she explains it, too! Now I can just tell them, I'm already high fat, I just need to be low carb for now.
It also explains why I'm still losing, even though I haven't attempted to use fat bombs, etc. I AM using heavy whipping cream in my coffee, however. I am just a cream addict, so black coffee is going to be a difficult adjustment for me. I might just continue to use the HWC for good.
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I read the whole thing and all I can say is I feel relieved. There is a crazy train for every diet because I've met them. For years I've listened to people say "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" and have thought that's ridiculous. It never worked for me, as soon as I put food in my mouth I craved more food. If I waited to put food in my mouth I'd be fine. I had to work out for myself that there are no dietary absolutes. Thankfully, I can now use the sexy new words "I'm intermittent fasting" in order to shut down the breakfast conversation. hah!
I don't want to be sloppy with this WOE and I want to make this work. I don't care for elitism or purism but I do care about me. I want to keep my eyes, my limbs and my liver, kidneys and other important parts.
I'm so very glad to find such a good place for support. If I get overwhelmed by it's our way or the highway thinking I'll usually find the highway and I love having a place for support. The highway can be a lonely and mistake laden place.
Thanks for posting this article.6 -
Gonna admit, I JUST read this. I've never pretended to know much or anything about ketogenic diets, but BOY was this a good read.2
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This is such a great article and I needed to read it again.
I struggled hard with keto. I couldn't drink enough salt water, I couldn't stay on track and ended up basically throwing in the towel. I even stayed away from here, my dear forum, because I felt that I didn't belong. Everyone so happy and rolling on down the keto highway, and I'm over here sucking on rock salt, being the most hostile, anxiety stricken *kitten* that walked the Earth.
Keto doesn't work for me. No, I don't need to lower my carbs. Nope, didn't need more salt, fat, magnesium. It exacerbated my anxiety. I couldn't sleep.
I held on for six months and yes I was fat adapted. But I STILL NEVER FELT GOOD.
So, recently I've (and a dear friend) come up with a plan that works for me.
100 grams.
Still LC. Only there's plenty of room for fruit and some grain. And you know what? I feel like a million bucks.
Keto is not magic and it doesn't work for everyone.
Thank you, @Sunny_Bunny you da bomb.
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@SuperCarLori finding a WOE that works is what it is about. The first 12-18 months of Ketosis was not a feel super good time for me but still I felt much better than on high Carbs. Because I was rushing to a premature death it took a couple years of Keto to get my health going my way. Just reversing IR fully took over two years of full-time Ketosis.
Gald you found a WOE that is working for you currently. It's not about what works for others but what works for our own body.
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SuperCarLori wrote: »This is such a great article and I needed to read it again.
I struggled hard with keto. I couldn't drink enough salt water, I couldn't stay on track and ended up basically throwing in the towel. I even stayed away from here, my dear forum, because I felt that I didn't belong. Everyone so happy and rolling on down the keto highway, and I'm over here sucking on rock salt, being the most hostile, anxiety stricken *kitten* that walked the Earth.
Keto doesn't work for me. No, I don't need to lower my carbs. Nope, didn't need more salt, fat, magnesium. It exacerbated my anxiety. I couldn't sleep.
I held on for six months and yes I was fat adapted. But I STILL NEVER FELT GOOD.
So, recently I've (and a dear friend) come up with a plan that works for me.
100 grams.
Still LC. Only there's plenty of room for fruit and some grain. And you know what? I feel like a million bucks.
Keto is not magic and it doesn't work for everyone.
Thank you, @Sunny_Bunny you da bomb.
Awwww thanks!
I'm so glad you've found your sweet spot
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I just think this article is just about the best thing for anyone to read that's even considering keto.
Keto did work for me with no problems but lots of things work for lots of people and it doesn't make sense to keep trying anything if it's not working for you and especially if you don't feel well!1 -
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