Keto straight talk
Sunny_Bunny_
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I just read a fantastic and "charged" blog post by Amy Berger that I think is absolutely necessary for everyone to read that is eating keto for weight loss.
It's going to be upsetting for some people. She declares that right from the start but it's absolutely true what she's saying and there's an aweful lot of "keto crazy train" going around out there.
It's lengthy but do yourself a favor and read it and really keep your mind open. Forget whatever you've been told on your favorite facebook forums or chat rooms. This is the real deal. I know everyone says that but this lays it out in cold hard undeniable beauty.
I love keto and plan to stay keto forever. Hopefully my body continues to approve of my plan. If it doesn't, I won't be concerned as I'll simply try to figure out how to eat veggies without being sick all day... sorry, I'm actually zero carb because I just can't digest the dang things or something.
Anyway, don't chase "magical" ketones 'just because.' It's ok to aim for keto for whatever your reason. You don't need a reason to be validated by anyone. Just know that it's not necessarily necessary if your only reason is weight loss or performance.
Just please read the whole thing. I won't do any of the points any more justice than Amy did in her writing.
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/12/ketogenic-diet-rant.html?m=1
It's going to be upsetting for some people. She declares that right from the start but it's absolutely true what she's saying and there's an aweful lot of "keto crazy train" going around out there.
It's lengthy but do yourself a favor and read it and really keep your mind open. Forget whatever you've been told on your favorite facebook forums or chat rooms. This is the real deal. I know everyone says that but this lays it out in cold hard undeniable beauty.
I love keto and plan to stay keto forever. Hopefully my body continues to approve of my plan. If it doesn't, I won't be concerned as I'll simply try to figure out how to eat veggies without being sick all day... sorry, I'm actually zero carb because I just can't digest the dang things or something.
Anyway, don't chase "magical" ketones 'just because.' It's ok to aim for keto for whatever your reason. You don't need a reason to be validated by anyone. Just know that it's not necessarily necessary if your only reason is weight loss or performance.
Just please read the whole thing. I won't do any of the points any more justice than Amy did in her writing.
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/12/ketogenic-diet-rant.html?m=1
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I'm having trouble sleeping, so I leapt right in. Very, very good read. Thank you for sharing!
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Saving this for when I'm NOT at work lol. Then I can pay better attention.1
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Oh my goodness, I'm only on point 3, but YES!!!!!
LOVED this:
And TIL: I'm "casual Keto"
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As always, she brings more sanity to the table.
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Thanks for posting. Great read.1
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Excellent read. Thanks for posting it.1
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Wow! Good rant....Some definite good information there. Thanks for the post Sunny Bunny1
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Thank you for posting this! I lose weight on LCHF, but I have to consciously add fat to get my ratios up. Something to think about.
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Thank you for posting this! It makes me re-think my macros and approach in general.1
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »
Just wanted to add that general food satisfaction can be improved by adding fat too. Many of us who are overweight and struggle with our food relationship benefit from the yummy factor that the extra fat provides in addition to the fact that it helps quell hunger with a minimal insulin impact.
Personally, adding fat helps me enjoy my meals more in addition to feeling more satiated. As a lifetime low fat dieter pre-LCHF I was all about trying to eat as much food as possible within my given calories, not to feed my hunger but to get as much eating pleasure as I could. I now get just as much pleasure eating a tiny LCHF meal, which is very liberating and has actually diminished my desire to constantly shovel food in my mouth.7 -
PaleoInScotland wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »
Just wanted to add that general food satisfaction can be improved by adding fat too. Many of us who are overweight and struggle with our food relationship benefit from the yummy factor that the extra fat provides in addition to the fact that it helps quell hunger with a minimal insulin impact.
Personally, adding fat helps me enjoy my meals more in addition to feeling more satiated. As a lifetime low fat dieter pre-LCHF I was all about trying to eat as much food as possible within my given calories, not to feed my hunger but to get as much eating pleasure as I could. I now get just as much pleasure eating a tiny LCHF meal, which is very liberating and has actually diminished my desire to constantly shovel food in my mouth.
That's exactly what I mean when I say if you're adding fat because you are finding yourself feeling hungry between meals or generally not overall satisfied through the day.
You know how common it is for people to be adding extra fat for literally no other reason than those dang macros ratios eating even when not hungry at all. Like the blog was discussing.
Browsing through one facebook group I'm in that has over 75,000 members, you see this repeated all day long.
People making their grocery lists to start thinking that they absolutely must drink what they call bulletproof coffee, which totally isn't, that it's the ketones that create the fat loss, not the use of fat for fuel that creates the ketones. That's why everyone thinks they have to be keto for weight loss to "work".
We will be having a big influx of this method of thinking very soon. On the facebook group I mentioned, they are very much against any versions of keto that aren't the medically prescribed ratios mentioned in that blog post. Someone shared their first meal today of a salad with a few carrots, about 5 croutons and full fat ranch dressing and anyone that said that small amount of carrots wasn't so bad had remarks about how they do not condone non keto foods at all on that page. They were livid about the croutons! lol
That salad was probably about 15g carbs and that girl was basically made to feel like she completely failed.
It just makes me sad.
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Great link @Sunny_Bunnie and one I think is very much needed.
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Thank you for sharing this!! I totally needed this today. I've been zero carb for 2 months and have been following guidelines from a particular zero carb FB group. But dang! I feel like some days they tend toward the "crazy train."
I just want to avoid overt plant consumption, as it hurts ME. Eating meat and eggs only makes me feel amazing, vibrant, and healthy. Period. But I don't believe that EVERYBODY is being poisoned by eating their salads and avocadoes and broccoli, or even fruit, or (gasp!) grains. I don't.
So, TIL I'm not a ZC-er, which is sad, as I like most of the veterans of that woe and their advice. But I won't get on that crazy train. I chose this WOE to liberate me, not confuse, restrict, and berate me for not joining the hive mind.6 -
williams969 wrote: »Thank you for sharing this!! I totally needed this today. I've been zero carb for 2 months and have been following guidelines from a particular zero carb FB group. But dang! I feel like some days they tend toward the "crazy train."
I just want to avoid overt plant consumption, as it hurts ME. Eating meat and eggs only makes me feel amazing, vibrant, and healthy. Period. But I don't believe that EVERYBODY is being poisoned by eating their salads and avocadoes and broccoli, or even fruit, or (gasp!) grains. I don't.
So, TIL I'm not a ZC-er, which is sad, as I like most of the veterans of that woe and their advice. But I won't get on that crazy train. I chose this WOE to liberate me, not confuse, restrict, and berate me for not joining the hive mind.
I loosely claim to be zero carb too but I do push my luck too often because I actually really love some vegetables but they upset my tummy too. I'm better off without them. It's hard to completely wrap my brain around that sometimes. I also use coconut and olive oil and since I have no issues with them, I'm not giving them up "just because", so that's why I always say I'm mostly zero carb. I guess I don't want to be making false statements because I do respect the for real solid plans enough to not try to perpetrate a falsehood.
But, the bottom line is, there is flexibility and some groups/plans don't want to acknowledge that at all. It's too bad because those of us working a structured plan in a slightly different way and finding success and a woe that we can live with in the long term are sometimes made to feel like we are messing it all up or bastardizing the one true way. lol
I say, let's relax and offer our experience and suggestions and encourage experimentation keeping in mind that we have a long life ahead of us that we want to be healthy for AND mentally stable! Lol6 -
I have struggled with this way of eating mostly because so many people push that there is only one way to do it right and that's theirs. I had to leave all the Keto groups I had joined on Facebook because they were too rigid. I am doing this strictly to get my weight down. And I occasionally change things up depending on how I feel. I have recently adjusted my diet to include more fruit and some veggies like carrots. I'm very picky about vegetables and always have been. I don't see the need to restrict veggies that I will actually eat for no other reason than some people say so. I keep it low carb and sometimes my net is under 30 but sometimes I go up to 75. I do what feels good for me and in a way that I can do this long term. Restricting myself for no other reason than some places on the internet say to doesn't seem right to me. All our bodies work a little differently and react to foods differently. We need to remember that just because something works for one person doesn't mean we need to do it exactly like them. I played around with strict Keto but I enjoy having popcorn occasionally or potatoes every once in a while. It makes me feel like something I could do forever. Which is ultimately the whole point. You have to listen to your body.15
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This was a great read (long, but GREAT)! As I gear up for the new year I've been reading a lot and getting involved in other forums because I want to make sure I'm "doing it right." This made me feel better about having my own approach, and finding what works for ME!6
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Here's another from Tuit Nutrition that was posted by @Sunny_Bunnie a month or so ago that is another great read.
http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/12/ketogenic-diet-myths.html?m=1
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Great article! Thanks for sharing. I would probably classify myself as casual keto. I try to keep to keto levels as it seems to help my RA but I'm not adverse to going over now and then and experimenting with what does and doesn't make my joint pain worsen. Now that I'm at a healthy weight I tend to have a few extra carbs. I might have beans in my chili or a small portion of a higher carb dish at a special dinner. Last night I had one sushi roll with rice and one without. If I encounter a favorite food that I can't just get any old time like homemade peanut butter balls at Christmas then I'll grab a couple.
In general I think almost everyone can benefit from lowering carbs but I agree that not everyone needs to go to a keto level. I also agree that you should eat fat to satiety and not just for the sake of getting your % up. On hungry days I eat a lot of fat on not so hungry days I'm pretty moderate.4 -
Thank you @Sunny_Bunny_ for this timely post. I moved to keto because of T2D diagnosis. As I shared in another post, it turns out my BG issues are NOT diet related. By multiple measures (HOMA-R, fasting insulin, fasting C-peptide, carbohydrate metabolism analysis), by body processes carbs better than the average healthy person. My issue was stress related primarily with some exacerbation from micronutrient deficiencies.
With this revelation combined with the copious research I have done on nutrition, I am working through how I should best manage my food decisions (sounds better than diet). I can see no reason to every regularly eat breads, pastas, sugar, etc. I also clearly see the advantage of low carb for avoiding being perpetually hungry. However, my obsession with carb content probably did not help my stress level which is the primary drive for my elevated BG.
I figure it will likely be several months or more until I find that sweet spot where my food choices are such that they are healthy for my body and not so strict that they are a detriment to my stress levels.7 -
" I am working through how I should best manage my food decisions (sounds better than diet)." I love this!4
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This might be a good addition to the helpful article section in the launch pad for new members.4
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@cstehansen - I can't recall whether you were tested for food allergies, or for wheat/gluten sensitivity before you changed your diet. ??0
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Gonna confess my true fangirl status
I invited Amy Berger to come check out how well received her blog post was among our group members.
I'm Kerri btw...7 -
So cool! I hope she checks us out.2
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a great read thanks for sharing!1
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@cstehansen - I can't recall whether you were tested for food allergies, or for wheat/gluten sensitivity before you changed your diet. ??
No allergy testing done. I don't think there is any gluten in my diet at all as is. I eat no grains of any kind so unless there is some in something as a filler (which wouldn't be much) I can't see that being an issue.0 -
Thank you for posting! A lot of good 'food' for thought here!
I actually raised my protein levels just yesterday (and calorie levels by 100) as I've been feeling low energy the last 2 weeks (after 4 weeks of keto-induced high energy) and suspected too much protein restriction was the culprit. Already feeling better!
So important to feel great, as well as heal my gut and lose inches (my personal goal).3 -
Great post, thank you for sharing!0
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