How much protein is too much?

tayusuki

As I'm logging food and trying to figure out where my macros need to be, I don't wanna eat such an excess of protein that it's converted to glucose unnecessarily.

The issue is I can't find anything online to give me an idea of that threshold! Does anyone have a clue?

baconslave

Try this calc.https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com About halfway down it will give your protein min and max for keto. Protein is a range anyway. Sedentary people should stick with the low to low-middle, exercisers should to middle to middle high, and athletes should shoot for mid-high to the ceiling of that range.

Sunny_Bunny_

I know you hear it all over the place and even from very respected figures in the keto and low carb world but unless you are diabetic or at least moderately insulin resistant you don't need to limit protein.
The process of gluconeogenesis is demand driven. NOT supply driven.
Those with hyperinsulinemia (like Jimmy Moore and Adam Nally) have a disfunctioning metabolism that creates a higher demand for GNG and they and others like them will need to be more mindful of protein intake.
If that's not you, don't even give it a second thought because eating higher protein will allow you to eat a little less fat and use more body fat for fuel. Even if that is a condition you have, you can probably eat more protein than you think. It's more important you don't supply too much total energy at one meal either fat or protein.
It's been proven that even taking in large amounts of fat at one time, like fat bombs or bpc is also insulinogenic and you don't even get the benefit of the nutrient density that protein would've provided instead of the fat.

Supporting information below.

http://www.ketotic.org/2012/08/if-you-eat-excess-protein-does-it-turn.html?m=1

And

https://optimisingnutrition.com/2016/08/08/how-to-make-endogenous-ketones-at-home/

"When the TOTAL ENERGY in our bloodstream increases outside of the normal range it appears the body raises insulin to store the excess energy"

Sunny_Bunny_

Also, this link to open threads in our launch pad.

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10438750/too-much-protein/

2t9nty

At 25% of a 2000 calorie diet, you have 125 grams of protein. That is a lot, and I am often under.

*Generated by [Keto Calculator](https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com)

* 20g Carbohydrates
* 150g Protein (118g min, 195g max)
* 154g Fat (30g min, 210g max)

I went to keto-calculator, and the range they have for protein has my 25% at the lower end. How important is that 30-40 protein gram max at a sitting thing for a T2 diabetic?

Sunny_Bunny_

2t9nty wrote: »

At 25% of a 2000 calorie diet, you have 125 grams of protein. That is a lot, and I am often under.

*Generated by [Keto Calculator](https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com)

* 20g Carbohydrates
* 150g Protein (118g min, 195g max)
* 154g Fat (30g min, 210g max)

I went to keto-calculator, and the range they have for protein has my 25% at the lower end. How important is that 30-40 protein gram max at a sitting thing for a T2 diabetic?

The only real way to know is to test blood sugar at 30, 60 and 90 minutes and see how it affects you specifically.
I imagine you'd want to test it for a good time to really look for trends. Even different kinds of meats may have a different affect even if the protein total is the same. Different amino acids and stuff.

2t9nty

Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »

The only real way to know is to test blood sugar at 30, 60 and 90 minutes and see how it affects you specifically.
I imagine you'd want to test it for a good time to really look for trends. Even different kinds of meats may have a different affect even if the protein total is the same. Different amino acids and stuff.

That is pretty much what I figured. I will have to fine tune this, but it is going to take time and a lot of test strips.

Just_Eric

So, I shouldn't be intermittent fasting and smashing all my 1600 kcals at the end of my day?

Sunny_Bunny_

Just_Eric wrote: »

So, I shouldn't be intermittent fasting and smashing all my 1600 kcals at the end of my day?

I IF with 1 or 2 meals myself. I assume the IF benefit outweighs any increase in insulin in my case because IF works for me as far as it feeling natural to eat this way.
Insulin is going to rise after any meal anyway. I think it's more talking about the use of fats in excess outside of meal times and as a large influx of pure energy.
Idk. All I can say is that it's convinced me that eating fat bombs and even adding a lot of fat to coffee for example isn't conducive to weight loss. At least not at the point when it becomes more stubborn to achieve.

Gallowmere1984

Just_Eric wrote: »

So, I shouldn't be intermittent fasting and smashing all my 1600 kcals at the end of my day?

This is one of those "up in the air" things still. For most people, it appears to be fine, and even beneficial.

For those involved in a lot of strength training, it doesn't appear to hurt in the short term, but likely isn't helping in the long term either, unless said person has insulin resistance, and the extra time between meals can give more time for things to clear out.

Just_Eric

Awesome. Thanks, guys. The fat kid in me still loves to eat a huge volume of food all at once, or over a couple of hours.