Apparently I'm going to die
hmikkola92
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This self professed morbidly obese guy is an expert
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Wow, I'm so happy he set us straight.
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Me too! Oh my god... I have to go run and get a lasagna now before my body gives out 2
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I don't quite know how to break it to him but... we're ALL going to die..... Ya know, it's not really being morbid. But everyone's engine stalls eventually.... Fact.....8
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The difference being we are all repairing our engines, he is just revving his over and over. Our engines will last much longer.2
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yeah, right... so much bro-science in those quotes...
Our distant ancestors died young from diseases, infections, and other natural causes (like being killed by the animals they were trying to hunt). The single greatest boost to longevity in the human species has not been diet - it has been the massive advances that have been made in the medical sciences fields.
Carbs as a fuel source - yes they are, fact is they are not the only fuel source and ketones replace them quite efficiently (and actually occur even in non-LCHF individuals) during periods of fasting - like when we sleep. As to the full capacity argument, the body will convert ketones to glucose as needed to fuel those processes that actually depend on glucose.
His final quote is also completely wrong - the scientific definition of a carb is something that breaks down into sugars and all fuel from carbs come from the body breaking them down into glucose and then transporting the glucose to the cells to be used as - you guessed it - fuel!
We have real science on our side and all he has are his 'bros'. Not to be excessively mean but we can all laugh when we outlast him!5 -
Oh I agree. And the way he's going, he's going to hit a tree, before he even stalls....3
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yeah, right... so much bro-science in those quotes...
Our distant ancestors died young from diseases, infections, and other natural causes (like being killed by the animals they were trying to hunt). The single greatest boost to longevity in the human species has not been diet - it has been the massive advances that have been made in the medical sciences fields.
Carbs as a fuel source - yes they are, fact is they are not the only fuel source and ketones replace them quite efficiently (and actually occur even in non-LCHF individuals) during periods of fasting - like when we sleep. As to the full capacity argument, the body will convert ketones to glucose as needed to fuel those processes that actually depend on glucose.
His final quote is also completely wrong - the scientific definition of a carb is something that breaks down into sugars and all fuel from carbs come from the body breaking them down into glucose and then transporting the glucose to the cells to be used as - you guessed it - fuel!
We have real science on our side and all he has are his 'bros'. Not to be excessively mean but we can all laugh when we outlast him!
Thank you for the explanation.. I'm not exactly well versed in this WOE and how our bodies work, but I was basically thinking, you're telling me that eating meat and veggies is unhealthy? Seriously? And earlier on he said sodium is the culprit for health issues. I can't even keep conversing with this dude.1 -
He's at least 10 years behind schedule....2
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Guys... Lchf is the same as eating tree bark. I'm going to save so much money!3
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It isn't worth arguing with some people. I have been doing this long enough and have improved my health to the point that I have a hard time finding anyone my age who is in better shape than me - except my stupid BG insists on staying just in the pre-diabetes range. However, I can't see anyone with a straight face telling me the answer to that is more carbs unless they are mentally, uh, challenged?2
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Tree bark rice, fried tree bark, tree bark BPC, Fathead tree bark pizza, 90-second tree bark bread.... The possibilities are endless!4
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Tree bark rice, fried tree bark, tree bark BPC, Fathead tree bark pizza, 90-second tree bark bread.... The possibilities are endless!
Before you knock the tree bark, take a look at some of the "low carb" options out there and you will see the generic term "cellulose" which, for all we know, could be tree bark. Cellulose could be from any plant source including saw dust or tree bark for all we know.2 -
If he stated he was obese, I would've said "you're gas tank Is overflowing! Maybe you're confused about how to use all your available fuels... You see, I know how to run on turbo while your tank keeps spilling over into an ever growing reserve"5
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umm by his profile picture he seems to know about carbs!2
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cstehansen wrote: »AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Tree bark rice, fried tree bark, tree bark BPC, Fathead tree bark pizza, 90-second tree bark bread.... The possibilities are endless!
Before you knock the tree bark, take a look at some of the "low carb" options out there and you will see the generic term "cellulose" which, for all we know, could be tree bark. Cellulose could be from any plant source including saw dust or tree bark for all we know.
Oh I'm not knocking tree bark at all! In fact, Aspirin is made from the bark of the willow tree! It has much going for it - more, evidently, than our 'learned friend' above, believes!3 -
I hang out in this group and some other keto/lchf communities because I just don't want to listen to anymore 'bro science.3
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our ancestors did only live 30-40 years, didnt have access to medical care we do now, a paper cut could lead to death from infection (ok I know they didnt have paper back then - just making a point). Also they used to use leaches to heal some disease. Wow I am shocked and amused by those statements.1
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our ancestors did only live 30-40 years, didnt have access to medical care we do now, a paper cut could lead to death from infection (ok I know they didnt have paper back then - just making a point). Also they used to use leaches to heal some disease. Wow I am shocked and amused by those statements.
...Have you ever had a grass cut - ? Man, they smart! Trying to tear up a stubborn stem of grass that simply wouldn't succumb to the lawn mower and zap! Nasty cut on the forefinger! what a shock that was!
(Leeches are still used today, and are actually available via our National Health Service....!1 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »our ancestors did only live 30-40 years, didnt have access to medical care we do now, a paper cut could lead to death from infection (ok I know they didnt have paper back then - just making a point). Also they used to use leaches to heal some disease. Wow I am shocked and amused by those statements.
...Have you ever had a grass cut - ? Man, they smart! Trying to tear up a stubborn stem of grass that simply wouldn't succumb to the lawn mower and zap! Nasty cut on the forefinger! what a shock that was!
(Leeches are still used today, and are actually available via our National Health Service....!
Leeches are still used! OMG ... that is amazing, bet they are high in protein. Would fit a LCHF diet.2 -
Once they've had a meal, they could double as a Blue steak....
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I actually do eat tree bark (well, an extract from tree back) - pycnogenol - every morning... I find it helps with inflammation and daily aches and pains that have resulted from my misspent youth.0
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our ancestors did only live 30-40 years, didnt have access to medical care we do now, a paper cut could lead to death from infection (ok I know they didnt have paper back then - just making a point). Also they used to use leaches to heal some disease. Wow I am shocked and amused by those statements.
Actually, the 30-40 thing is misleading. Life expectancy for humans beyond something like 20 has been fairly stable for tens of thousands of years at 70-80. That's because the "30-40" number is life expectancy at birth.
The idea that "a paper cut could lead to death" in the past any more than it could now with comparable treatment is specious.
While yes, it is possible that an open wound could and sometimes did invite infection, it isn't inherently more or less likely than now. Consider this -- how often do you get a minor cut like that and do anything more than rinse it off, if that? Very rarely do I bother with so much as a bandage if it's not actively bleeding. I guess if I drop dead come October, I'll have been proven wrong.
Also, it's not as though ancient humans were totally ignorant of dealing with wounds. There's evidence that shows amputation was thing thousands of years ago (and then there's the matter of duel culture in medieval Iceland and Scandinavia, which resulted in any number of different wounds ranging from minor nicks to entire limbs chopped off, and yet people somehow survived). Honey has been used for wound healing for tends of thousands of years (and still is today; in fact, you can get medical grade honey (MediHoney) from your local pharmacy). Aspirin (salicylic acid), as previously mentioned, came from the bark of not just the willow tree, but many different plants. Leeches and maggots were and are still used. Alcohol...well...I think that one's obvious.
Plantain herb, Comfrey, Sage, Turmeric. These and others are all known for their healing capabilities, many of which have been studied to find their active properties to be synthesized into artificial medications.
Metformin, the medication just about everyone on this board has at least heard about, if they haven't taken it themselves, comes from the Galega officinalis plant (aka Goat's Rue or French Lilac). (Fun fact--the active ingredient in Metformin is actually toxic, made only "more tolerable" by bonding two of the guanidines together. Think about that one for a minute.)
Antibiotics got their start from bread mold. Vaccines from farming cows.
Now, are we more likely to survive more major injuries? Certainly. My grandfather-in-law's survival of a massive aortic dissection is a testament to that. But it's disingenuous to claim that "death by paper cut" was an epidemic-level thing.
What most people forget is that until relatively recently, we were still very much a part of the food chain, and in most places, we were not apex predators. In fact, we're pretty far down the list. Combined with our propensity to favor large game, like deer, bison, mammoths, etc., it made our primary cause of death accidents related to dealing with such creatures. In the places and times where heat was a concern (northern areas, ice age, etc), one of the primary causes of death were related to smoke inhalation -- lung cancer, black lung, CO poisoning, etc.
What about when we became agrarians? Agriculture (and later, cities) means being stationary. That's when issues of hygiene start coming up, because now, you need to deal with getting waste products (and dead bodies) out, and things like clean water in. Those were relatively new problems that we then had to deal with.8 -
Nothing quite like a bit of superior knowledge to make you feel like a doofus....!
Very interesting post, @Dragonwolf, thank you so much for that! I appreciate it! :thumbs up:!2 -
I think @Dragonwolf would be a good opponent in trivial pursuit. Or perhaps an appearance on jeopardy is in your future?
Short version of the statement, "the "30-40" number is life expectancy at birth" is so many people died in early childhood, the average was significantly reduced. Throw in a whole bunch of people who died at 0, 1, 2, 3, etc., and it doesn't take too long for the average to be significantly reduced. I have an aunt and an uncle who both died of childhood diseases that would have easily been cured nowadays. However, one was born in the 1920's and the other in the early 40's, so treatment just wasn't developed yet.1 -
cstehansen wrote: »I think @Dragonwolf would be a good opponent in trivial pursuit. Or perhaps an appearance on jeopardy is in your future?
Short version of the statement, "the "30-40" number is life expectancy at birth" is so many people died in early childhood, the average was significantly reduced. Throw in a whole bunch of people who died at 0, 1, 2, 3, etc., and it doesn't take too long for the average to be significantly reduced. I have an aunt and an uncle who both died of childhood diseases that would have easily been cured nowadays. However, one was born in the 1920's and the other in the early 40's, so treatment just wasn't developed yet.
I was going to say a very dumbed down version of this! Lol
It went like "didn't a whole bunch of cave-babies die before they ever made it to adulthood?
Sames right? Lol3 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Nothing quite like a bit of superior knowledge to make you feel like a doofus....!
Very interesting post, @Dragonwolf, thank you so much for that! I appreciate it! :thumbs up:!
Lost me after the first paragraph.1 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »cstehansen wrote: »I think @Dragonwolf would be a good opponent in trivial pursuit. Or perhaps an appearance on jeopardy is in your future?
Short version of the statement, "the "30-40" number is life expectancy at birth" is so many people died in early childhood, the average was significantly reduced. Throw in a whole bunch of people who died at 0, 1, 2, 3, etc., and it doesn't take too long for the average to be significantly reduced. I have an aunt and an uncle who both died of childhood diseases that would have easily been cured nowadays. However, one was born in the 1920's and the other in the early 40's, so treatment just wasn't developed yet.
I was going to say a very dumbed down version of this! Lol
It went like "didn't a whole bunch of cave-babies die before they ever made it to adulthood?
Sames right? Lol
Yes, back in those times babies were left behind with the Sabre Tooth Tigers and Woolly Mammoths stampeded the villages. It gave time for the adults to run.2 -
Wow, make sure you thank him for mansplaining to you. *eye roll* Who is this jackwagon? Friend or random stranger?3
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cstehansen wrote: »I think @Dragonwolf would be a good opponent in trivial pursuit. Or perhaps an appearance on jeopardy is in your future?
Short version of the statement, "the "30-40" number is life expectancy at birth" is so many people died in early childhood, the average was significantly reduced. Throw in a whole bunch of people who died at 0, 1, 2, 3, etc., and it doesn't take too long for the average to be significantly reduced. I have an aunt and an uncle who both died of childhood diseases that would have easily been cured nowadays. However, one was born in the 1920's and the other in the early 40's, so treatment just wasn't developed yet.
Indeed, you would be a worthy opponent for a large part of my family that considers trivial pursuit a sport.
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Bwaaahahahahaaa!
Tell him you can't have any carbs because you've got scurvy and metaphalastic impetigo and see what he says?3
