Why do people hate keto when it works so well?
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A lot of folks feel threatened, too, even if they don't realize it. They don't want to have to give up their favorite indulgence, or think, "I couldn't live without pizza/pasta/soda/chocolate/dessert/potatoes..." or whatever their secret addiction is. They feel judged for their choice to indulge when someone else chooses NOT TO INDULGE...not because they are actually being judged...but rather because SOCIETY HAS TAUGHT THEM THAT BEING DIFFERENT IS WRONG, AND THAT IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD, YOU'RE WRONG, PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION.
To me, it's crazy.
P.S. I think I had a doctor tell me that if people give me trouble about my food choices, I should just tell them I'm focusing on a whole foods based approach while limiting the "whites." Even though that's WAY oversimplifying things, it generally prevents the knee-jerk reaction of, "OMG, ALL THE FATS...you're going to die!!!"4 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »They feel judged for their choice to indulge when someone else chooses NOT TO INDULGE...
When you are a priest you have a certain licence to observe some food program that involves abstaining from something they love. They figure it is probably religious in some way, and they should not ask too many questions lest they find out I expect them to be doing it as well.
I think I get less grief about my diet than some people do at work anyway. On the MFP general forum, there are none of these layers.
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I just tell people I'm doing "Dulac" - they look at me and say "Oh...... ya...... I've heard of that ". Dulac is my wife's maiden name. And I'm not lying to anyone by saying that because I do "do" Dulac quite often - keeps her happy.8
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MimiOfTheLusciousLawn wrote: »And I thought woo wss a good thing...
From UrbanDictionary
"n.(or adj), the way a person is when they uncritically believe unsubstantiated or unfounded ideas."
Ohhhh! Now I understand the several Woo's I got in another board when I said refined sugar is just crapola to your body.5 -
I'm always confused by why someone cares so much what others are eating. I don't berate vegans about their B12 levels and tell them they are unhealthy and can't sustain that. I just let them figure out for themselves if it agrees with them. I feel you can't say keto without a disclaimer that this works for me and I'm not suggesting you try it! Also I'm celiac and you can't respond to a question about a gluten free diet without providing a signed affidavit from a physician showing you've had the full medical work up. Despite thousands of posts saying these multitudes of awful things happen to you when you eat gluten 1500 people have to chime in to say less than 1% of people need to be gluten free. Gluten isn't unhealthy blah blah blah. I am diagnosed but even if I wasn't I'm an adult I know when something repeatedly makes me sick not to eat it even if the internet says it's ok or just my imagination! lol
So true. We seem to have to put in the disclaimer that keto may or may not be a good fit for everyone, but those who espouse moderation as the best way to go don't need to do the same, even though that way of dieting is no more effective, and it may or may not ( ) be better for their health. There are a few who add that disclaimer for moderation, but not many.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think this is a great point. I often see new keto-ers singing it from the rooftops, but the tune ain't quite right. ie why they are losing isn't necessarily what they are saying.I think some of the problem is tha keto'ers do sometimes get their facts wrong, or just our grammar and wording less than exact, and because we have found something that works so well for us, we sing it to the rooftops.... But we're singing something that is not completely right. For some reason, there are a few members who feel the need to mock the post or poster rather than politely correct them. And then they assume that everyone doing the diet believes the wrong thing... And then there is more impolite responses.:(
Plus I do think that some see it as an attack in their choice of diet. If keto is the greatest then their diet is not tops. I think the majority of keto'ers know that ketosis may not be best suited to everyone. I think most diet moderators realize that moderation is not best for everyone too, there are just loud posters who forget.
I'm pretty sure I've been woo'd more than liked on the main boards. Lol
I also think back to the "eat more to weigh less" year and the "IIFYM" year on MFP and how many times I rolled my own eyes at the mis-speak regarding both of those approaches.
And, I remember my own early days of changing my diet when I would use short hand to describe what I was doing. It was imprecise, and it undermined my message terribly.
Heck, even "good carbs" is imprecise, and undermines the message. (but nutrient dense high fiber isn't as easy to say!)
Yeah, I think there are two types out of tune singers: are the ones who have just turned to keto, for weight loss, on a whim, and then there are those who had health improvements who do not have the science to back up claims.
I fell into the second category. Early on I made the mistake of saying that I think lower carb, mainly lower refined carbs, is a good way for all to eat. TBH, I still believe people should restrict refined carbs and sugars even if the don't have any health issues.... Yet. I think it can be preventative to so many health issues, with insulin resistance being front and centre. I doubt many will develop insulin and BG spikes by keeping carbs lower. I just don't think the insulin and glucose rise from protein, or from eating too much protein (and fat) will lead to insulin resistance. And if it somehow does, if you are low carb you are already treating it do BG and insulin will not test as high
JMO
Now I put in a lot of "may or may nots" into my posts. I stopped bothering providing links or studies because there was something wrong with those or other or more studies were brought up to prove the opposite. Then I started giving my own experience as an example and my n=1 was discounted or I was told it was wrong. Now? I just block the more objectionable people who like to argue against anything that is not simply eat less and move more to solve weight and health issues.
it's more pleasant. LOL
Hopefully one day the vocal minority will learn to correct incorrect keto'ers with more empathy and manners. Hopefully.
ETA Wow. That turned into a main forum rant. LOL oops.8 -
Hi I'm just a little worried that this discussion may end up as something that we will have a problem about. As I understand it, the ground rules here are that we make no negative comment about the sometimes negative comments on the main MFP forums. That may not seem fair but it stems from a whole lot of issues in the past and I'm sure if I'm wrong then one of the Moderators of this forum will correct me. Sorry to sound like a pain in the posterior or even worse a Miss Goody Two Shoes!
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I could be wrong, but I think that was more in the LCD group about 4 or so years ago. I think as long as we are not specifically picking on people or making sweeping generalizations we are okay. Even then, sweeping generalizations are often permitted like on ketovangelists or militant vegans or superior clean eaters (not my terms - I have just seen them written).
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chinatowninchina wrote: »Hi I'm just a little worried that this discussion may end up as something that we will have a problem about. As I understand it, the ground rules here are that we make no negative comment about the sometimes negative comments on the main MFP forums. That may not seem fair but it stems from a whole lot of issues in the past and I'm sure if I'm wrong then one of the Moderators of this forum will correct me. Sorry to sound like a pain in the posterior or even worse a Miss Goody Two Shoes!
That's in my group.
It's not an unnecessary worry. After all, we (the LCD) were an open group before, like this one. It was more...angry... around all of MFP all around then and that problem consisted, too, of Main Forum members lurking and C&Ping things, said in the group by upset/angry group members in reaction to attacks in the Main Forum, into Main Forum threads to cause drama. We got set to private to stop them from coming in and we were told to not discuss the divisive issues going on. If we did that and kept the community guidelines, they would ok us to stay a group and we could reopen to public in 3mo. That was 2 years ago. As you can see we decided to stay private. We had a group-wide vote.
I've been watching this thread for Knit to help her make sure it doesn't cross a line when she's not around to deal with it. I was the one who dealt personally with the Admins on the issue last time. So far, I think you all are doing ok.
Keep it general, non-caustic, light, and civil, and it will be fine.
Though I do agree that all has been said that needs to. It is what it is. I can tell you though that the Main Forum today is tame and toothless compared to what it was like 2 years ago.
We have our groups and our support here and in the LCD group. I'm thankful for that.6 -
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It is very hard for people to accept low-carb. There was a time when I, myself, was anti-Atkins and low-carb. I was convinced it was dangerous and baloney. Now, I am at the far, far extreme fringe of low-carb and Atkins looks like a carb-binge.
It is tough, but we need to accept that people are on their own journey and they may be on different parts of the path from the point we have reached. Maybe they will find their way here, maybe not. We need to be comfortable with our own choices and confident in them.
I no longer bother to argue or discuss diet with anyone. Just in the last week, I had someone tell me that if I didn't eat carbs my pancreas would get permanent damage and I would develop diabetes. I just smiled and nodded. There's no need to argue.4
