Christmas IS NOT JESUS CHRIST BIRTHDAY !
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I bet if I had all of you guys come over and we downed these 4 5th's of jack daniels I purchased, you all would believe jesus was real, you'd let hitler babysit your jewish child in your family's pizza parlor and you'd leave quarters under MY pillow.
Easter...LOL I don't get presents I get candy...and dentist appointments, that's not fun.
Rev....please dont cry but.... Hitler is dead.....he cannot do any babysitting...im sorry to break the news to you.0 -
To me the funny part is when Christians act as if their holiday is being taken away from them...
Turn about is fair play.0 -
Merry Chanuchriskwanzayulemass, everybody!.0
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Happy solstice!0
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To me the funny part is when Christians act as if their holiday is being taken away from them...
Turn about is fair play.
What is the point of Christmas then if it is NOT to celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday?0 -
To me the funny part is when Christians act as if their holiday is being taken away from them...
Turn about is fair play.
What is the point of Christmas then if it is NOT to celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday?
Getting together with family and friends. Being kind to each other. Showing the people in your life how much they mean to you. And if I could quote Bill Murray "It's the one day of the year we are the people we always hoped we'd be."
It was a celebration before Christ had anything to do with it. Christian rulers took a previously existing holiday and made it about Jesus. Imagine for a minute if the same happened now. How would you feel?0 -
His birth isn't even original in concept.............Thats right this may come as a surprise to many but its true ! He was born in the spring. READ THE BIBLE .....
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TRUE DAT!!! Waiting for a response so we can debate!Now to open up another can of worms...Mary was not a virgin either. There, I said it.0 -
I haven't read all the replies yet, because I need to know just one thing: Does this in any way affect Santa bringing me that awesome train set this year?0
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To me the funny part is when Christians act as if their holiday is being taken away from them...
Turn about is fair play.
What is the point of Christmas then if it is NOT to celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday?
The return of the sun. Yes, with a "U".
edit to add:
Happy Solstice
Merry Yule
Special Saturnalia to you
Best wishes on this Dies Natalis Solis Invicti
Have an amazing Brumalia
Enjoy your Amaterasu celebration
Feast well at the Deygan Festival0 -
To me the funny part is when Christians act as if their holiday is being taken away from them...
Turn about is fair play.
What is the point of Christmas then if it is NOT to celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday?
The return of the sun. Yes, with a "U".
Have you seen Zeitgeist? Very interesting movie.0 -
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TRU DAT!!!
if she was, Jesus was a girl! there's no Y chromosomes in the female body, so if "immaculate conception" was to be believed, Jesus would have been female0 -
Just had my mind blown on a Wednesday afternoon. (Sounds like a Flaming Lips track)if she was, Jesus was a girl! there's no Y chromosomes in the female body, so if "immaculate conception" was to be believed, Jesus would have been female
I had never thought about this before. Word.0 -
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I haven't read all the replies yet, because I need to know just one thing: Does this in any way affect Santa bringing me that awesome train set this year?
Kenneth-As long as you were a good little boy Santa will deliver!0 -
I've seen several documentaries on the History Channel and National Geographic about this. According to these, the Bible states that Jesus was born around tax time. Historically, tax time has always been in the spring. One of the documentaries I saw even took the positions of the stars as described in the Bible and said Jesus was born sometime mid-April.
The Church simply made Christmas in December as a way to make conversion to Christianity easier for the pagans. Since the pagans already celebrated Yule, they coincided Christmas with this, as well as many pagan traditions, etc.0 -
Just had my mind blown on a Wednesday afternoon. (Sounds like a Flaming Lips track)if she was, Jesus was a girl! there's no Y chromosomes in the female body, so if "immaculate conception" was to be believed, Jesus would have been female
I had never thought about this before. Word.
at least I blew someone today....
ha! On the flip side of that, if it truly is an immaculate conception would it really matter that there are no Y chromosomes since if there really is a God and if he truly is all-powerful then he could make the kid whatever gender he wanted to regardless of chromosomes?0 -
Because Jesus was born during the census which happened in the spring,the church choose to celebrate it on Dec 25th to coincide with a pagan celebration to try and get more people to convert.Most christmas (tree,yule log,wreath) is ripped off from pagans.
Christ is not the REASON for the season
Just joined this group, Jeanette, and saw that there's a similar discussion here that we had going on in the other one. Thank you for NOT saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday! Whew. So glad someone gets that. However, Christ is the REASON for the season for many of us. Not all Christians think Jesus was born on December 25th!
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Just joined this group, Jeanette, and saw that there's a similar discussion here that we had going on in the other one. Thank you for NOT saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday! Whew. So glad someone gets that. However, Christ is the REASON for the season for many of us. Not all Christians think Jesus was born on December 25th!
I think the same discussion is going on in 9 different groups, and everywhere else really. It's that time of year...
Patti is technically right about something I overlooked, but to me it's a minor point. Yes, I should admit that CHRISTMAS is about Christ. It's just that December 25th was previously a different holiday. It was Saturnalia or the Solstice or many other different names it went under, because people have been celebrating like this for a LONG time!
It's the end of the year. It's cold (in many places). There's not much light and you can imagine that historically food was probably scarce around this time of year.
So people would gather. They'd get together in the village or with their families and the people they loved, and they'd cook a meal and share what they had, they would try to have cheer to get them through.
Silly as it sounds last year's Christmas episode of the show Community really touched me. A. it was stop motion animated, which is awesome but only at Christmas. B. They had a devout Christian, an agnostic, a Jew, an atheist, a Muslim and a Jehova's Witness and they had to "save Christmas".. of course.. at the end, though they all believed different, they said this:
"The delusion you're trying to cure is called Christmas. It's the crazy notion that the longest, coldest, darkest nights, can be the warmest and brightest. And when we all agree to support each other in that notion something crazier happens. It becomes true. Works every year like clockwork."
So you all have a merry Christmas. I'll enjoy a nice Winter Solstice. The Jews can have a happy Chanukkah. The 9 families still hanging on to Kwanzaa can enjoy that. Because at the end of the day we're all pretty much going to do the same thing. We're going to get together with the people we love and try to celebrate. We should never fight about that.0 -
Because Jesus was born during the census which happened in the spring,the church choose to celebrate it on Dec 25th to coincide with a pagan celebration to try and get more people to convert.Most christmas (tree,yule log,wreath) is ripped off from pagans.
Christ is not the REASON for the season
Just joined this group, Jeanette, and saw that there's a similar discussion here that we had going on in the other one. Thank you for NOT saying that Christmas is a pagan holiday! Whew. So glad someone gets that. However, Christ is the REASON for the season for many of us. Not all Christians think Jesus was born on December 25th!
Sadly, I am willing to wager than many Christians still do think that, though. And being that Jesus is supposed to be the whole focus of their faith, you'd think they'd at least put forth a bit of effort to learn about him and not gather their information from the Hallmark Channel Christmas specials.
While Christmas might not be a pagan holiday, you cannot deny that the timing of the holiday and many of the traditions were adopted from the pagan rituals, etc.0 -
Or rather... the belief system that celebrates this concept worships the creator of the universe. How hard would it be for such a being to come up with a Y chromosome, really?
Just had my mind blown on a Wednesday afternoon. (Sounds like a Flaming Lips track)if she was, Jesus was a girl! there's no Y chromosomes in the female body, so if "immaculate conception" was to be believed, Jesus would have been female
I had never thought about this before. Word.
at least I blew someone today....
ha! On the flip side of that, if it truly is an immaculate conception would it really matter that there are no Y chromosomes since if there really is a God and if he truly is all-powerful then he could make the kid whatever gender he wanted to regardless of chromosomes?0 -
It may seem a silly thing to say but Christmas is not just for Christians. Yes, they got to name it(re-name it) but that doesn't mean they own it. We Irish named Paddy's Day, doesn't mean we start giving out that people who are Irish (or don't believe in Paddy) celebrate it.
The Winter celebration has been around for a very long time, and isn't owned by any one group of people. The traditions that accompany it for many people, Christmas tree(banned in the bible), presents, food, family etc are not in any way religious. These are cultural traditions to be enjoyed as part of a cultural celebration that happens to have a Christian name.
For those who do celebrate the religious aspects, enjoy! But please don't complain that others enjoy this ancient celebration.
Signed: An atheist who fricking loves Christmas/Xmas (or Mithrasmas, Yule etc etc)0 -
Sadly, I am willing to wager than many Christians still do think that, though. And being that Jesus is supposed to be the whole focus of their faith, you'd think they'd at least put forth a bit of effort to learn about him and not gather their information from the Hallmark Channel Christmas specials.
While Christmas might not be a pagan holiday, you cannot deny that the timing of the holiday and many of the traditions were adopted from the pagan rituals, etc.
I'm not denying the history of the pagan rituals and how December 25th became Christmas. I also agree that may Christians don't realize this history. There are plenty of Christians who gladly celebrate Christmas and Easter without attending mass on those days, or any Sunday during the year.0 -
It may seem a silly thing to say but Christmas is not just for Christians. Yes, they got to name it(re-name it) but that doesn't mean they own it. We Irish named Paddy's Day, doesn't mean we start giving out that people who are Irish (or don't believe in Paddy) celebrate it.
The Winter celebration has been around for a very long time, and isn't owned by any one group of people. The traditions that accompany it for many people, Christmas tree(banned in the bible), presents, food, family etc are not in any way religious. These are cultural traditions to be enjoyed as part of a cultural celebration that happens to have a Christian name.
For those who do celebrate the religious aspects, enjoy! But please don't complain that others enjoy this ancient celebration.
Signed: An atheist who fricking loves Christmas/Xmas (or Mithrasmas, Yule etc etc)
I don't really care who celebrates Christmas and who doesn't. Christmas by defenition is about Christ, therefore making it a Christian holiday. I know non-Christians who celebrate Christmas because they enjoy the family time, and the "spirit" of the holiday. No complaints by me. My point of contention was calling Christmas a pagan holiday.0 -
Brett - I am beginning to feel like I am cyber stalking you...... at the end of the day we're all pretty much going to do the same thing. We're going to get together with the people we love and try to celebrate. We should never fight about that.
BUT - I just gotta say again...
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So you all have a merry Christmas. I'll enjoy a nice Winter Solstice. The Jews can have a happy Chanukkah. The 9 families still hanging on to Kwanzaa can enjoy that. Because at the end of the day we're all pretty much going to do the same thing. We're going to get together with the people we love and try to celebrate. We should never fight about that.
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Brett - I am beginning to feel like I am cyber stalking you...
BUT - I just gotta say again... this!!
Stalk away kiddo. It's clear I run my fat, stupid mouth enough that you should have plenty to look up!0 -
I am Wiccan and I celebrate Yule. While it is true many Christmas traditions are actually borrowed from the Pagan celebration (same with many Easter traditions) I would never take away Christmas from those who choose to celebrate. All I ask is that people allow me to celebrate too.
As for saying "Merry Christmas" I say "happy holidays" because I feel we should include all celebrations. I never say Merry Christmas. For one thing I don't celebrate Christmas. I don't jump down anyone's throat for saying it, I just personally don't say it. Some days I'm tempted to say "And have a happy Yule!!" but that would not go over too well in the area where I live. I wouldn't say it anyway, unless I knew the person celebrated Yule.0
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