conscience protection

macpatti

Patti, you said my dad should just take the computer class. What if he's Mennonite? They use SOME technology but not any that they deem unnecessary. They'll have lights and drive but they don't use computers.

You didn't say that. I would then ask if his company knew this before hiring him?

LuckyLeprechaun

You don't go to the Doctor for moral advice. That's something that is personal and should be kept to oneself unless asked. There are Jehovah's Witnesses who don't believe in blood transfusions. If you needed one, but your doctor was a Jehovah's Witness and denied you that, would that be okay? Could they claim "conscience protection?" Of course not, because it's completely ridiculous, just like denying someone birth control. It's not their body.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're already in need of a blood transfusion, wouldn't you be the emergency room? I sincerely doubt a true Jehovah's Witness would even be working there in the first place.

Blood transfusions happen outside of emergency rooms, often they are needed during surgery which was pre-planned, if the patient loses too much blood.

Also, JW's would not be there but not because they have any problem giving blood to anyone.....their religion is less than encouraging about getting edumacated....they claim that the end of the world is so near, and there are so many doors upon which to knock, there's no point in getting a college degree.

Bahet

Patti, you said my dad should just take the computer class. What if he's Mennonite? They use SOME technology but not any that they deem unnecessary. They'll have lights and drive but they don't use computers.

You didn't say that. I would then ask if his company knew this before hiring him?

He's not Mennonite. I was giving the hypothetical of what if he was? What if they knew he was Mennonite before hiring him? Mind you, that was back before computers. Would that matter?

Why is it only religion that you think needs protecting anyhow? Your previous argument was that someone was hired with a specific job contract that spelled out their duties and it's not right for the company to change that or fire the person if they won't comply. If my dad just didn't want to learn how to use a computer you should think that's protected anyhow based on your own assertion. But instead you basically said he should have to take the class. That's the only reason I came back with the Mennonite hypothetical -- because you seem to think that religion is a special class that deserves protection. Why? I thought religious people were adamantly against "special rights". That's a common argument when it comes to gay marriage anyhow. Or is it OK if it's THEIR rights that are protected but not someone they disagree with?

Bahet

Blood transfusions happen outside of emergency rooms, often they are needed during surgery which was pre-planned, if the patient loses too much blood.

Also, JW's would not be there but not because they have any problem giving blood to anyone.....their religion is less than encouraging about getting edumacated....they claim that the end of the world is so near, and there are so many doors upon which to knock, there's no point in getting a college degree.

Reposting TDGee's response above since it was obviously missed by Lucky:

Ok, I am going to dispel the JW in the ER thing for you guys.
Blood transfusions happen all over the place in a hospital. They are far more often NOT emergent situations.
Everyone; with very few exceptions, must sign a consent to receive blood or blood products BEFORE any transfusion is administered. It is the law. Everyone has the legal right to refuse medical treatment offered. The biggest exception to the consent is in an emergent condition; massive trauma with death expected, or if the victim is unable to be advised of the risks/benefits of transfusion. These situations require two physicians to sign off on giving the transfusion.
In the case of Jehovah's Witnesses, there are specialty products available that are similar to blood products, but do not contain actual blood products. I have given these many times.

I have had several coworkers/employees that were JWs. They were; like many others in Nursing, caring, competent professionals, never putting their own beliefs over the call for help. As a manager; I was glad to have people of this faith on my staff, because they would usually request to work all of the major holidays, freeing another staff member to observe the holiday.

Nurses are trained to care for the sick and wounded. We are trained to look past everything else and see the human being in need of care, no matter what. I believe that the best Healthcare Professionals consider their practice more of a calling than a job or profession.

LuckyLeprechaun

Patti, you said my dad should just take the computer class. What if he's Mennonite? They use SOME technology but not any that they deem unnecessary. They'll have lights and drive but they don't use computers.

You didn't say that. I would then ask if his company knew this before hiring him?

He's not Mennonite. I was giving the hypothetical of what if he was? What if they knew he was Mennonite before hiring him? Mind you, that was back before computers. Would that matter?

What if I came up with a different hypothetical? What if the hypothetical was really unlikely or impossible? What if aliens from plant wtf came and told the hypothetical mennonite that technology is OK?

What if this conversation has become ridiculous?

Bahet

FYI, my dad did work with a Mennonite in the accounting dept. When the computers were brought in he was a month shy of retiring anyhow. Not that big of a stretch to ask what should have happened if he were 35 instead of 65.

macpatti

What if this conversation has become ridiculous?

:laugh:

adrian_indy

I was fired from my job in United States Air Force as a surgeon when I was asked to disect an alien at Area 51. I said "Sorry, I'm a Scientologist, and I am not desecrating Lord Xenu's war general Ungala of the Draconis system."