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Hank Rearden from Atlas Shrugged (this is a big one)
One of my favorite books
It's my #1, I aspire to be Dagny Taggart in spirit.
Terrible prose and terrible philosophy. As my friend's mother told her when she started to quote Atlas Schrugged at 18, "Everyone goes through an Ayn Rand phase, but shouldn't you have grown out of it by now?" Eventually she did.
Loved it that Ayn Rand needed social security and Mediare to survive, after slagging off on government programs (for "moochers"!) her entire life. Such a terrible hypocrite. Not surprising that this is the faux philosophy driving the extreme right in the US (old folks on Medicare love her, I suppose).
Not going to get into her watered down Nietzschean philosophy, as that is also so terrible as to be laughable. Sorry, but "a little learning is a dangerous thing" comes to mind every time someone mentions Ayn Rand. And yes, I say that as someone who loved Atlas Shrugged when I was 25. Again, it's a phase, like wearing black, or a goatee.
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It's pretty extreme, but then again that is why it's marked Fiction. I read it, liked it and I'll never read it again as it's just too dang long to read twice. I never read fiction so I have to say it beats some of the crap fiction they made me read in grade school.0 -
<<-- Bored and accepting applications to be crushed on. :blushing:
Me too Me too!!!0 -
Crushes in real life: I have a crush on the guy I am dating. :blushing:
Ummm .. WTF??? Why do I not have information on this????
Meeeeeee toooooooooooo!!!! You kept that one quite Megs!!!!! Details please!!!???
It is the same guy I posted about. He backed off the intense stuff so we are giving it a try. I like him A LOT. So, not getting invested necessarily but I am seeing where things go. :flowerforyou:
COME ON!!! I want more deets than that!!!0 -
I'm honestly not crushing on anybody, I actually just joined this group a few days ago so I really don't know many people on here. And I can honestly say I haven't had a crush on anyone since college (I'm 31 now). Just figured since it seemed to be a highly posted topic I'd jump on to say hello. My name is Dana. Friend me if you'd like!0
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I have a few crushes. :P Having a crush on MFP is like having a crush on a celebrity.0
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Hank Rearden from Atlas Shrugged (this is a big one)
One of my favorite books
It's my #1, I aspire to be Dagny Taggart in spirit.
Terrible prose and terrible philosophy. As my friend's mother told her when she started to quote Atlas Schrugged at 18, "Everyone goes through an Ayn Rand phase, but shouldn't you have grown out of it by now?" Eventually she did.
Loved it that Ayn Rand needed social security and Mediare to survive, after slagging off on government programs (for "moochers"!) her entire life. Such a terrible hypocrite. Not surprising that this is the faux philosophy driving the extreme right in the US (old folks on Medicare love her, I suppose).
Not going to get into her watered down Nietzschean philosophy, as that is also so terrible as to be laughable. Sorry, but "a little learning is a dangerous thing" comes to mind every time someone mentions Ayn Rand. And yes, I say that as someone who loved Atlas Shrugged when I was 25. Again, it's a phase, like wearing black, or a goatee.
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This is what must have gone through my dad's head when he saw me reading it in high school. He's on the other end of the spectrum (I'd probably guess close to Chomsky style socialist libertarian). I read about 1/2, and learned what I needed to- but yeah, a phase people have to orient themselves.0 -
[/quote]Terrible prose and terrible philosophy. As my friend's mother told her when she started to quote Atlas Schrugged at 18, "Everyone goes through an Ayn Rand phase, but shouldn't you have grown out of it by now?" Eventually she did.
Loved it that Ayn Rand needed social security and Mediare to survive, after slagging off on government programs (for "moochers"!) her entire life. Such a terrible hypocrite. Not surprising that this is the faux philosophy driving the extreme right in the US (old folks on Medicare love her, I suppose).
Not going to get into her watered down Nietzschean philosophy, as that is also so terrible as to be laughable. Sorry, but "a little learning is a dangerous thing" comes to mind every time someone mentions Ayn Rand. And yes, I say that as someone who loved Atlas Shrugged when I was 25. Again, it's a phase, like wearing black, or a goatee.
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This is what must have gone through my dad's head when he saw me reading it in high school. He's on the other end of the spectrum (I'd probably guess close to Chomsky style socialist libertarian). I read about 1/2, and learned what I needed to- but yeah, a phase people have to orient themselves.
Funny! My maths teacher gave me her copy when I was about 14, with the advice that I should read it now, as it would give me time to prepare my counter-arguments before I went to university. She knew me well...0 -
Blah blah blah, I don't care if you like Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand or not.
As far as Ayn Rand being a hypocrite for using social security/medicare, this was admitted and addressed by Rand. She was forced to pay into a system that she didn't believe in during her entire time in the USA, why shouldn't she get her money back? Just because you don't believe a system should exist doesn't mean that you should pretend it doesn't. That actually ties exactly in with her ideals that an individual should live for themselves. What exactly is smart about allowing your money to be stolen from you and then refusing it when it's offered back?
It's like if a burglar comes and steals your television. Well years later, they bring back a television that is newer, but the same value yours was when it was stolen. Accepting that television back doesn't mean you condone the burglary, nor does it make the burglary any less illegal, immoral or wrong.
I know many people of all ages that are fans of Ayn Rand. Some are lifers, some grow out of it and some grow into it, and some people never like her philosophy. So while you may be one of the ones that "grew out of it" that doesn't mean that only kids subscribe to the idea of limited government, nor is anyone stupid for it. If you don't like her writing (I'll admit, that woman uses a lot of words to make a point) then that's totally fine, I get that. I still can't sit through that hella long Galt speech.
Don't think you are the first person to say any of those things to me and don't think that you're going to make a difference in my opinion by being condescending. While I like you, you cannot shame me into standing down from something that I enjoy and believe in. It's a shame you would think I am stupid/immature simply because this has come to light, but I guess them's the breaks. You'll have to either agree to disagree and we can continue to get along splendidly or you take up sniping at me with cheap shots because you've lost all respect.
Either way, I'm not on here to debate politics and the whole thing makes me very very tired.0 -
All of the ladies on here.
None in real life. It's only you ... all 20 or 30 of you. You're special!<<-- Bored and accepting applications to be crushed on. :blushing:Me too Me too!!!
If you ladies aren't going to pay attention to me, then I'm crossing you off the list.0 -
All of the ladies on here.
None in real life. It's only you ... all 20 or 30 of you. You're special!<<-- Bored and accepting applications to be crushed on. :blushing:Me too Me too!!!
If you ladies aren't going to pay attention to me, then I'm crossing you off the list.
How you doin'?
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All of the ladies on here.
None in real life. It's only you ... all 20 or 30 of you. You're special!<<-- Bored and accepting applications to be crushed on. :blushing:Me too Me too!!!
If you ladies aren't going to pay attention to me, then I'm crossing you off the list.
Hey hun :flowerforyou: (feel better now)0 -
How you doin'?
Hey hun :flowerforyou: (feel better now)
You two just made my weekend. Hell maybe my whole month! You just moved to the top of the list. :flowerforyou: 0 -
All of the ladies on here.
None in real life. It's only you ... all 20 or 30 of you. You're special!<<-- Bored and accepting applications to be crushed on. :blushing:Me too Me too!!!
If you ladies aren't going to pay attention to me, then I'm crossing you off the list.
Nooooooooo! I must be on that list of 30 women you adore!!!!0 -
Nooooooooo! I must be on that list of 30 women you adore!!!!
With all this talk of marines and teachers and men of strong character with big muscles, I completely understand why you'd want to be on my list. :laugh: You're request is granted!0 -
It's pretty extreme, but then again that is why it's marked Fiction. I read it, liked it and I'll never read it again as it's just too dang long to read twice. I never read fiction so I have to say it beats some of the crap fiction they made me read in grade school.
Her egoism, her me first attitude, almost everything about her philosophy epitomizes what has gone wrong in the US over the past generation. Forget about the weak, let the might take what is rightfully theirs! Her entire philosophy is about the strong taking advantage of the weak.
She was a heavy smoker that refused to accept it was a dangerous habit, even glorifying it in her books. She died of lung cancer at a relatively young age.
She railed against social security and medicare, but gladly took it so she could end her life in dignity. Just like so many others (who, unlike her, didn't spend their lives denouncing it). She applied under her husband's last name, to avoid publicity. Even her supporters claim she "softened" her stance on this after getting sick. Uh huh.
She glorified a man who kidnapped and later murdered a 12 year old girl, which obviously was a front page story at the time. She admired this monster and wrote in her diary:
“Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should. . . . [He has] no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel ‘other people.”
The idea of a man rising above the masses, above conventional morality, was key to her philosophy. Hence, this killer was the epitome of man as Superman. Not caring what others think was a huge part of her philosophy. The masses, according to Rand, were ignorant anyway, deserving to be ruled by the strong. Again, all the worst parts of Nietzsche times100...
She also hated democracy, as it of course implied the rule of the many over the few (powerful). Rand again:
“Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom.”
And as fiction, the prose in her books is terrible, just awful. Her characters are completely one dimensional. And while I sympathize with some (some!) of her points, she completely goes over the deep end in her defense of the strong over the weak. The scene in Atlas Shrugged (or was it The Fountainhead?) glorifying rape was a nice analogy for her entire philosophical system.
When I was younger I admired her books, read them a few times. It's a very attractive philosophy, especially to a young intellectual (or at least someone who likes to think about philosophy, politics, etc.). But the core of her philosophy is truly abhorrent, and should be rejected upon more careful reading.
My last post on this topic. :-)
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How you doin'?
Hey hun :flowerforyou: (feel better now)
You two just made my weekend. Hell maybe my whole month! You just moved to the top of the list. :flowerforyou:
Oh good I love being on top :bigsmile:0 -
How you doin'?
Hey hun :flowerforyou: (feel better now)
You two just made my weekend. Hell maybe my whole month! You just moved to the top of the list. :flowerforyou:
Oh good I love being on top :bigsmile:
I think that was a double entendre. You keep talking like that and I won't be able to keep my crush a secret much longer.0 -
It's pretty extreme, but then again that is why it's marked Fiction. I read it, liked it and I'll never read it again as it's just too dang long to read twice. I never read fiction so I have to say it beats some of the crap fiction they made me read in grade school.
Her egoism, her me first attitude, almost everything about her philosophy epitomizes what has gone wrong in the US over the past generation. Forget about the weak, let the might take what is rightfully theirs! Her entire philosophy is about the strong taking advantage of the weak.
She was a heavy smoker that refused to accept it was a dangerous habit, even glorifying it in her books. She died of lung cancer at a relatively young age.
She railed against social security and medicare, but gladly took it so she could end her life in dignity. Just like so many others (who, unlike her, didn't spend their lives denouncing it). She applied under her husband's last name, to avoid publicity. Even her supporters claim she "softened" her stance on this after getting sick. Uh huh.
She glorified a man who kidnapped and later murdered a 12 year old girl, which obviously was a front page story at the time. She admired this monster and wrote in her diary:
“Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should. . . . [He has] no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel ‘other people.”
The idea of a man rising above the masses, above conventional morality, was key to her philosophy. Hence, this killer was the epitome of man as Superman. Not caring what others think was a huge part of her philosophy. The masses, according to Rand, were ignorant anyway, deserving to be ruled by the strong. Again, all the worst parts of Nietzsche times100...
She also hated democracy, as it of course implied the rule of the many over the few (powerful). Rand again:
“Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom.”
And as fiction, the prose in her books is terrible, just awful. Her characters are completely one dimensional. And while I sympathize with some (some!) of her points, she completely goes over the deep end in her defense of the strong over the weak. The scene in Atlas Shrugged (or was it The Fountainhead?) glorifying rape was a nice analogy for her entire philosophical system.
When I was younger I admired her books, read them a few times. It's a very attractive philosophy, especially to a young intellectual (or at least someone who likes to think about philosophy, politics, etc.). But the core of her philosophy is truly abhorrent, and should be rejected upon more careful reading.
My last post on this topic. :-)
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--P, I believe we would make great friends and enemies, lol.0 -
It's pretty extreme, but then again that is why it's marked Fiction. I read it, liked it and I'll never read it again as it's just too dang long to read twice. I never read fiction so I have to say it beats some of the crap fiction they made me read in grade school.
My last post on this topic. :-)
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Cool, cause I didn't read it. Don't want to start another public war on Single Peeps! :laugh:0 -
It's pretty extreme, but then again that is why it's marked Fiction. I read it, liked it and I'll never read it again as it's just too dang long to read twice. I never read fiction so I have to say it beats some of the crap fiction they made me read in grade school.
Blah blah blah
My last post on this topic. :-)
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--P, I believe we would make great friends and enemies, lol.
My thoughts too! I just don't think this is the appropriate forum, and I've been trying to behave 8x0
