Exercise calories? Again? WTF

SideSteel
SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
edited November 12 in Social Groups
This is a pretty big debate that pops up continually on the main forums.

Should you, or should you not, eat back your exercise calories? The answer is: It depends.

Here are some background definitions before going into this:

BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF


Exercise calories, as they are typically used in MFP specifically, is represented by EAT in the above definition. Whether or not you should eat your EAT (giggity) depends on what system or method you are using to calculate your intake needs.

If you are using most other online calculation tools to determine an intake estimate, that estimate is going to already include EAT as part of the suggested intake. For example, it will ask you an activity factor that includes an average of your exercise, and with this it increases your TDEE to account for the fact that you are exercising.

If you are using MFP to tell you how much to eat, that estimate is NOT going to include EAT as part of the intake estimate.

Myfitnesspal uses a caloric estimation tool that expects you to eat back calories burned during exercise.

Consequently, MFP will essentially give you a LOWER intake estimate than an external TDEE calculator would give you.


In other words:

You tell MFP: I'd like to lose 1lb/week.

MFP says: Hey, you should eat X calories every day to lose 1lb/week.

You then decide to exercise and you burn 400 calories.

MFP says: Hey you pecker, you said you wanted to lose 1lb/week. Now you need to eat X+400 because you told me you wanted to lose 1lb/week.


So based on this:

If you are using MFP to tell you how many calories to eat, you should probably be eating back some portion of your exercise calories.

If you are using an external calculator and then customizing your intake to match that, you should not be eating back your exercise calories.

Lastly: Exercise expenditure is often over-stated.

My general opinion is that it's much simpler and uses less guess-work to use a custom intake and just forget about the exercise calorie model entirely, but that's a different topic of sorts, more discussion of which can be found here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
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  • Giggity!
  • GuybrushThreepw00d
    GuybrushThreepw00d Posts: 784 Member
    Giggity bump!
  • fugaj01
    fugaj01 Posts: 171 Member
    awesome info SS, THanks a ton! Lots of people will benefit from this :)
  • Amazon_Who
    Amazon_Who Posts: 1,092 Member
    Thank you SS, I already knew this but now I understand it!
  • marvybells
    marvybells Posts: 1,984 Member
    thank you! this was a great post for me to use to double check my calculations. i wanted to make sure i wasn't inadvertently starving myself or eating to much. ( i had it right-phew!)
  • sundaywishes
    sundaywishes Posts: 246 Member
    I knew this, but this is the simplest way I have ever heard it explained. For that, it deserves a bump.
  • alexbusnello
    alexbusnello Posts: 1,010 Member
    Wow, thank you!

    BUMP
  • newjourney2015
    newjourney2015 Posts: 216 Member
    Bump
  • petah1992
    petah1992 Posts: 3 Member
    this was extremely helpful!
  • MiguelX66
    MiguelX66 Posts: 24 Member
    Very helpful. This information should be a 'sticky' in the main forums,as I would think these questions come up very often. Thanks for posting it.
  • katg73
    katg73 Posts: 77 Member
    Very helpful. This information should be a 'sticky' in the main forums,as I would think these questions come up very often. Thanks for posting it.

    AGREED. I can't tell you how many people NEED to read this. I used to not eat back all my cals while being on the suggested 1200 daily limit, so I ended up netting 890-980 cals a day - worked fine for a few months... until I stopped losing coz I continued to work hard in the gym so much that my body started needing more. I've slowly increased and am starting to see them come off again and my body is healthily leaning out while my muscle builds.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    If you see any exercise calorie posts come up in the main forums, please feel free to link this thread as a reply if you would like.
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    Bumping so my FL will see it
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    ^^I just realized that I did not have this in my topics /smh
  • sozisfitnow
    sozisfitnow Posts: 209 Member
    With you on exercise expenditures is a vaguely wild estimate!
  • AmberB519
    AmberB519 Posts: 336 Member
    Bookmarked ;)
  • SteveJWatson
    SteveJWatson Posts: 1,225 Member
    I reckon you have to use your judgement anyway.

    For example: I told MFP that my job involved moderate daily exercise (I think the category included postman) - so it will generate a generalised calorie consumption for a person who walks about a bit. Of course, some days I work my *kitten* off and other days I'm just driving round checking stock or doing office work, so you have to make allowances for this.

    Ergo, I dont eat back all of my exercise calories if I have been a bit of a sloth that day. If I have worked my butt off and still made it to the gym, well...I'll eat em back.

    I was flabbergasted at how many calories i estimated I burned at the weekend (I put walking at 3.5 mph for three hours) when in reality it was more like 4 and a half, carrying various bits of kit (rough shoot) - again, I rounded down because I simply refuse to believe I burned that many calories.
  • kar328
    kar328 Posts: 4,159 Member
    bookmared, bumped and much appreciated :happy:
  • paulkempjr
    paulkempjr Posts: 64 Member
    MFP says: Hey you pecker, you said...

    I need this to happen A LOT! ;)
  • fitfreakymom
    fitfreakymom Posts: 1,400 Member
    bump
  • ElliInJapan
    ElliInJapan Posts: 286 Member
    My problem with the TDEE-x% method is that for people that do not exercise regularly (or are working towards an exercise routine but are still not there yet) it's more complicated to calculate their TDEE because it varies a lot. For example, in my case, I've been slowly adding more and more exercise in my daily life, but it's still difficult for me to commit to it and many days I just skip my exercise plans. So what I've done is to calculate my TDEE assuming I don't do any exercise at all, then subtract 20% and use that as my daily goal. Whenever I actually do some exercise, then there are some extra calories I can eat since they are not part of my calculated TDEE. Does it make sense or do I miss something?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    My problem with the TDEE-x% method is that for people that do not exercise regularly (or are working towards an exercise routine but are still not there yet) it's more complicated to calculate their TDEE because it varies a lot. For example, in my case, I've been slowly adding more and more exercise in my daily life, but it's still difficult for me to commit to it and many days I just skip my exercise plans. So what I've done is to calculate my TDEE assuming I don't do any exercise at all, then subtract 20% and use that as my daily goal. Whenever I actually do some exercise, then there are some extra calories I can eat since they are not part of my calculated TDEE. Does it make sense or do I miss something?

    Yes it makes sense and nope you did not miss anything.
  • ShellyBell999
    ShellyBell999 Posts: 1,482 Member
    Added to tool box
    Thanks!
  • kaytyl2
    kaytyl2 Posts: 142 Member
    Thanks
  • Caletagirl
    Caletagirl Posts: 47 Member
    Bump
  • Awesome post! Thanks!!
  • MercenaryNoetic26
    MercenaryNoetic26 Posts: 2,747 Member
    I needed this. Thanks!
  • Cat_Lifts
    Cat_Lifts Posts: 174 Member
    Just to confirm this sounds right, my daily TDEE with no exercise included is 2260.
    My net goal of calories to consume is 1700. That puts me at a 560 daily deficit/25% cut below my TDEE. Again, this is a normal day with no exercise included.
    I'd like to stay below a 600 calorie deficit for my BMR's sake. In saying this, I had previously been overestimating my weight lifting calories immensely - thinking I'd burn 400 calories in an hour when it most likely was 100-150. My former problem had been consuming more calories than I had burned, thus shortening my deficit to cause a slower progress. Now that I've recognized my error and only use my HRM for cardio only (or if used for weightlifting, only account for a 1/4th of what I burned), I wanted to see if I fully understand this and if it's really all as basic as it seems. :wink:

    If I burn 300 calories, I can pretty much eat those all back, correct? Since I'd like to keep my deficit less than 600 calories a day? At the end of the day, I'd be consuming a total of 2000 calories, with my TDEE jumping up to 2560 due to exercise, but regardless my net goal would still be 1700. I admit I'm most likely overthinking this, but getting an extra verification or two can help. :blushing: I'm working with an awesome spreadsheet from another group to calculate all things like TDEE but had been confused about the exercise calories to consume back. Thank you!
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