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  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Ryan, it just happened to me too, last week I gained 1kg (2.2 lbs) and I really doesn't understand why: the deficit and the exercise were *exactly* the same as before, and I don't eyeball portions but I weight everything, so the intake was pretty accurate. I also always weight myself in the same conditions (after my weekly rest day, in the morning before breakfast, after... hem bodily functions and so on).

    Ok, it was a while since I recalculated the daily calories to adjust for a lower body mass but the week before (and the one before that) with that same deficit I lost my usual 2-2.2 lbs, so I really don't know why. I'm beginning to question my scale: I know it's a lame excuse but I found in the past that digital scales are not always that accurate.

    Now I lowered the daily caloric intake by almost 200 calories and this week I've lost 2.2 lbs, so back on track but with more doubts than before...
  • KiltFuPanda
    KiltFuPanda Posts: 574 Member
    A little late on the update, but I have my reasons. Namely, the arrival of my baby boy!

    I got my 1000 lb lift and picture, so now it's back to some volume work and try to do some fat cutting.

    Not really paying attention to the scale much anymore, but since I signed up for the November challenge, I'll be keeping a closer watch.
  • RyanKnight71
    RyanKnight71 Posts: 34 Member
    Congrats on the baby man. Thats awesome
  • RyanKnight71
    RyanKnight71 Posts: 34 Member
    Down 0.9lbs this week. Not a great number but I'm really happy with it because I am officially in the 260s. Weighed in at 269.2 been 20 years since I weighed in under 270
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Ryan, good for you!

    An update for me too: down 1.2 kg (2.6 lbs) this week after 4 week of near stalmate. The loss is definitely slowing down and I had to cut back to 1550 (net) daily calories to get things started again. For sure it's not sustainable in the long run, so maybe it's time for a diet break.

    Out of curiosity: how many NET calories are you big and tall men consuming daily? And with which rate of weight loss?
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    I started this in January after a disappointing physical where I weighed in at my highest weight ever, 373 lbs

    From January 8th on, I started counting calories and exercising regularly. I was eating 1300 calories a day or less over a protein shake for breakfast and 2 balanced meals for lunch and dinner. I lost 70 lbs by mid July. I went up to 1500 calories a day at the behest of my doctor, and I have gained back 10 lbs as of this morning. I'm sad now. I weighed in this morning back up to 315.4 lbs, but I haven't gained back any inches on my waist thankfully. Starting today, I'm going back down to 1300 calories a day for a few weeks to see if I can't restart my weight loss. Incredibly frustrating, but I realize that I haven't been tracking hoinestly, and I've let a few bad habits slip back in, so it's mostly my own fault.
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    It happened to me too, and I think you correctly pinpointed the problem: tracking.

    Like you I lost my first 66 lbs quite rapidly, but now BMR is much lower as we lost a lot of body mass so with lower intakes if you add adaptive thermogenesis it's very easy to either reach or exceed maintenance level without knowing.

    Take my example: I was loosing 2-2.2 lbs per week on 1850 NET calories then I got stuck. I lowered intake to 1650 but nothing - and keep in mind that I use a digital scale and weight portions. Then I lowered a litte bit more to 1550 but this time I weighted *everything* and started loosing again.

    In retrospect I estimated that I wasn't tracking probably 200 cals a day (a bite here, a walnut there...). Before it wasn't a problem, as the deficit was high enough to cover for this surplus, but now it is, and that was the reason why the weight loss stalled.

    Another problem is overestimating calories burned with exercise: again, not a problem before because the high body mass increased dramatically energy expenditure but now with lower body mass, lower hearth rate and increased efficiency estimates can be off even by 30%. And that adds up to a lot of calories in a week.

    So maybe you think you are netting 1500 but you are really netting 1800 or more and you're not gaining inches because you are doing weight training: is it possible or I am completely off course?
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    I can tell you that I never eat back my workouts. I don't add food to my day, regardless of activity level. I do drink on weekends, but as long as I have a net weekly deficit, I thought I was ok. My problem was tracking. I was probably off by 1000 calories a week or more due to inefficient tracking. I've been much more dilligent these last 5 days, and I'm already back down 3 lbs from vigourous exercise and careful meal planning with no cheating or snacking.

    I'm my own worst enemy, but I also know all my old tricks. I will do this.
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Hey captain, how is the tracking going?

    A little update to keep the thread alive: my BMR has lowered more than expected (and it happened quite abruptly) so now I have to eat 1550 net calories a day to keep loosing 2lbs per week.

    I must tell that it's getting tougher: I'm concerned about sustainability in the long run mainly, but even daily hunger is getting worse. So I'm planning to push for another month until new year and then start taking 15 days long diet breaks every couple of months. That should help with hormones regulation and cravings. Many authors, including Lyle McDonald, claim that a flexible diet with regular PLANNED breaks are much more successful in the long term. What do you think aobut it?

    Now, back to the update: 2,6 lbs down this week.
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Down 2.5 lbs this week, so it seems I'm back on track.

    Hey big & tall men, where are you? Show me some numbers :-)
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    I'm still here, at least. Lost 1 lb this week. started off strong (literally) with a good heavy back workout today. As soon as I get home to my tape, I'll post my Nov-Dec stats.
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Lately the weight loss is not linear any more: a little gain one week and then a bigger drop the following week - eating at the same exact deficit and doing the exact amount of exercise. Luckily the average is decreasing.

    This time was no exception: up 1 pound last week but down 5 lbs this week.
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    Ate like crap over the holidays, now I feel like crap. Up another 10 lbs back to 325.0 Oh well, past is past. Good strong leg day today, followed by strict caloric intake monitoring. Thankfully, I went grocery shopping yesterday and was able to stock the fridge at home and at work with good healthy foods. Still ended the year 50 net pounds lighter than I started 2013, so I'll call it a win, but I need to hold myself responsible for my diet the whole year round. I definitely slipped in December, but even back up at 325, I didn't go up any clothing sizes, so Yay?
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Still ended the year 50 net pounds lighter than I started 2013, so I'll call it a win

    It's definitely a win! Just be proud of it, be consistent and do not let the ups and downs hinder your resolution.
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    I've started a 14 days long diet break, following Lyle McDonald directions. Eating at maintenance is a big change, it almost translates to a 1000 calories increase per day: tonight for the first time in a long time I felt full and had to stop eating :-)

    We'll see how it goes and if it helps with strenght training.
  • RyanKnight71
    RyanKnight71 Posts: 34 Member
    Alright I am back. Took a holiday break and it cost me 20lbs. It was amazing how different I feel after taking a break and eating like crap. Felt HORRIBLE. But I am back at it and lost 6.3lbs my first week. Been doing a ton of cardio and even started a weight lifting routine with a buddy of mine. A week and a half back from my break and I already feel a lot better then when I wasn't eating well. Can't wait to get back to my pre break weight and hopefully push through the plateau I was on before it. I even set a new weekly goals chart that puts me at 250 by mid May
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Welcome back Ryan!

    It's possibile that those 20 lbs are not a true gain, but partly water and glycogen as probably, before the break, your glycogen stores were depleted. If that's the case you will loose weight quickly. Also this break probably regulated your hormones (leptin, ghrelin, ...), especially if you ate a lot of carbs, and it will be easier now to break through the plateau.

    By the way, the new picture is good ;)
  • RyanKnight71
    RyanKnight71 Posts: 34 Member
    Im just a knuckle dragging corectional officer, not sure what all those big fancy words are but i sure hope it comes off quickly. I do know that after a week and a half of getting back to clean eating i feel a heck of a lot better and not so bloated. Maybe ill take your route and do a smaller break every couple months. Ill make sure to update again on Saturday when i do my official weight in. Oh and my wife made fun of me for taking a "selfie" but I needed an updated picture.
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    Good to see I wasn't alone in the holiday overindulgence. And I agree, eating clean has made a WORLD of difference in my mood, my sleep, everything. I'm back down 10 of those 20 lbs I gained, and even though I ate crappy over the break, it feels like I'm back on a good weight loss track, and hopefully, I'll finally bust through the 300 mark by my birthday in March. New exercise regimen, renewed diet with updated goals, and new, better fitting clothes. Off to a good start this year.

    Let's keep it up!
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Im just a knuckle dragging corectional officer, not sure what all those big fancy words are but i sure hope it comes off quickly.

    Sorry if I did not explain myself: fact is I have been reading a lot about nutrition since I joined MFP.

    In a nutshell glycogen is where and how our body stores the energy that comes from food - sugars to be precise. Glycogen is stored in muscles and liver and is the source of energy most often used for exercise. The fact is that with glycogen water is stored, a lot of it.

    When you go on a diet and, as a consequence, you lower your carb intake, your body is not able to replenish the glycogen that your body uses, so your glycogen stores gets depleted and your body starts burning your fat for energy. With your glycogen the water that is bound to it gets used too: that is the reason why during the first week of a low carb/low cal diet you loose A LOT of weight, more than what you loose in the following weeks. It's not just fat, it's "water weight". This glycogen + water adds up to 5 lbs but can be even more in big men like us.

    Unfortunately the reverse is also true: when you fall off the diet wagon and overindulge (so you eat a lot of carbs), your glycogen stores are immediately replenished, together with the water. So you can gain 5 lbs (even more for us) in a single day, but it's not a real fat gain, is "water weight" and it will come off quickly once the glycogen stores gets depleted again.

    Leptin is an hormone that plays a major role in regulating our metabolism: when we diet it decreases and a chain of events cause our metabolism to slow down. If we could keep high levels of leptin during a diet we could limit this ill effect, unfortunately there are no leptin pills (it has to be injected and it's way too expensive to be commercially available), but studies have shown that a 10 to 15 days diet break with reasonably high carb intake and caloric intake at maintenence raises leptin for a while, so when we start to cut again our metabolism is a bit better than before and we should get better results.
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    Thanks for the info, great read!
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    Joined my company's Biggest Loser competition to keep myself honest and motivated during these last 3 months of winter, and I had my first weigh in today, Lost 11 lbs from last week's weigh in. Feels good. Ate clean, got to the gym every day, tracked everything I ate and drank. How's everyone else doing so far this year?
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Way to go captain, congratulations for this great result!

    Personally I don't have updates to report at the moment: I have a nasty stomach flu, can't eat properly and I am severely dehydrated so I skipped last week's weigh in because it wouldn't have been accurate. I'll check back on monday.
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    I skipped last week weigh in too because I was still recovering. This morning I was down 3 and 1/2 pounds, so that's good.

    On the other hand I'm struggling with my weight training sessions: I increased the weight of all the major lifts during my diet break and now it's really hard to keep up. I guess it's true that it's hard to gain strenght (or even maintain it) during a severe caloric deficit :-)
  • CapnDonkey
    CapnDonkey Posts: 108 Member
    Just remember to keep your protein high during heavy training sessions. You can still make progressive strength gains while eating at a deficit. Keep up the good work!
  • coccodrillo72
    coccodrillo72 Posts: 94 Member
    Yes, I am keeping high protein intake but strenght progress is really, really slow nonetheless... so I upped my daily caloric intake by 200 cals and still managed to loose 2,8 lbs this week.