Tips for Bone Broth

glossbones
glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
edited November 15 in Social Groups
So I followed a link somewhere here, found an article on the benefits of Bone Broth, along with a simple recipe (literally just beef + water to cover it in a crock pot), and here I am about 28 hours into simmering my beef joints.


Now I'm realizing I have a few questions:

1 - How do I know when it's done?
Mine has had 'soapy' bubbles on it for almost 24 hours, and the water started to reduce a bit (I added 3 cups / 24 oz back in). There are bits floating and grayish now, when all things sank originally. Not everything is floating, just the smaller bits.

2 - Will it be a good enough source of sodium when it's done, or do I need to doctor it with iodized sea salt and NoSalt?

3 - I see a ton of recipes that add vegetables. Is this going to be bland and disgusting without them?

4 - Can I freeze any of it?
I bought a carton of mason jars but at the moment there's more room in the freezer than the fridge. If I freeze it, how do I keep them airtight without bursting? Do I need to do the whole preserves "heat & seal" routine with them?

According to the original article I read (which I still have to relocate the link for), beef joints might take up to 48 hours, but I still want to make sure I'm prepared.

Thanks!
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  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    edited April 2015
    I found the article with the recipe I used: https://eatmeatdrinkwater.wordpress.com/bone-broth/

    So it's done when the cartilage is all dissolved. Does that mean the bones will be white and clean?
  • Alliwan
    Alliwan Posts: 1,245 Member
    Great thread! I am getting ready to make bone broth myself and dont know what to expect either. So I hope someone who has done this before answers the questions. Thx for asking!
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    I'd say to keep it cooking longer. This is something very close to my heart ! I've been making broth my whole life, since before it got trendy and they started calling it bone broth. I use a variety of bones, whatever I have on hand: chicken, turkey, goose, beef, pork etc. I like to mix pork and beef since beef on it's own can taste bland. I get bones right from the farm, and I save all bones that come my way for future broth making. Roasting a chicken ? Save the carcass and throw it in the freezer for when you have time to make broth.

    Place bones into a large pot and cover with cold fresh water. Bring to a boil, skimming the scum off as it appears. Keep it covered and let it boil slowly all day. If I start with meat such as a whole chicken for instance, I will cook it until the meat is tender, then remove the meat from the pot, take the meat off the bones, put the meat away for later, then put the bones back into the pot with an onion and some celery, top up with fresh water and continue to cook for several more hours. If using less tender cuts that require longer cooking ( like it sounds like you are using ), cook until the meat is falling off the bones, then reserve the meat when ready. You don't need the veggies, but I like the flavour they give to the broth. I used to throw a carrot in there, but don't anymore due to sugar content in carrots. I also put a swig of apple cider vinegar into the pot to help draw out the minerals in the bones. I never season it when it's cooking.

    I prefer to make mine on top of the stove. I tried the slowcooker, but found that the flavour was lacking. I do my broth on the stove top for about 12 hours. If I use the slowcooker I would do it at least 24 hours, probably longer. You could cook it even on stove top for up to 72 hrs. You know it's done by tasting it. Longer cooking times will make richer tasting broth. Preroasted boned will also deepen the flavour.

    I then strain it and pour the broth into containers. I do use mason jars and freeze lots of broth. You don't have to worry at all about keeping them airtight. And this is not like canning, it's way easier. They will be protected from freezer burn in the jar. Just put it in the jar and let it freeze and it will be ready for you anytime. Very important to remember to leave some airspace at the top since when it freezes, it will expand. Try filling the jars about 5/6 full in order to determine how much expansion you will have. Cool jars of broth in the fridge before freezing. I put little labels on the top stating the flavour and date, so I can keep track of what I have and use the older ones first.

    I have probably 1/4 of one of my chest freezers full of various flavours of broth at any given time. I can just take them out when needed to drink, or to use as the bases for soups, stews, etc. I use my slow cooker a lot, but not for making broth. I use the broth I made to cook with my meat in my slow cooker.

    I always make broth on the weekend when I am off and have a lot of time. I keep some in the fridge after making it, for us to use daily. That's when I season it. I use Herbamare mainly, because I love the flavour, or sea salt.

    A good book to refer to when making broth is "Nourishing Traditions". I also reduce some of the broth into "Bouillion" cubes of my own stock, which I freeze in tart pans and place in a ziploc bag in the freezer for use anytime.

    I drink broth on my fasting days, and we like it as egg drop soup in the am sometimes, and anytime at all ! I can also make a very quick soup after work by taking defrosted broth and adding meat and a few veggies and some cream and butter. I made a delicious cream of chicken and asparagus soup the other day in about 15 minutes.

    I hope this helps you out. Good luck making your broth. If you have any more questions, just ask. :)
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    edited April 2015
    #brothwatch2015: I lifted the lid to see that some shapes I'm pretty sure were a kneecap and thigh cap yesterday are now slimy boogery masses. Some of the marrow is gone, and what's left is gray. There's a layer of fat on the surface that should become some nice gel. My water is evaporating.. pretty much every ounce I added this morning is gone again. Might not be able to let it go overnight again.
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    Yes, it is done when everything is separated, meat and cartilage comes away from bone, and the bones become beautiful white sculptural forms, with no flesh clinging to it anymore. And I forgot to mention about the gelatin. When your broth cools, it should gel, some batches will gel more than others, depending on what you use for your stock. I like to get pork and chicken feet from my farmers, in case I need to pop some in the pot to add to my bones.
  • camtosh
    camtosh Posts: 898 Member
    I am making my first bone broth now--from turkey bones I stuck in the freezer after Xmas. I added carrots and onions, sea salt and a bouquet garni bag, and have skimmed off much of the scum. There was a fair bit of meat on the bones still, but there is an "old freezer" kind of taste, so I should probably toss that? Or is it worth eating anyway? Seems a waste to strain and throw away the carrots and onions, but that's what Nomnompaleo says to do. I've turned the pot off and on several times, as we have a gas stove and its expensive to keep on 24 hrs... Next time I will try a pressure cooker.
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    If the meat seems "off" to you, just use it to flavour your broth, then throw all the remains away when you strain your stock after it's done. I boil my broth usually for at least 8-10 hours, so I don't feel bad at all about tossing the soggy veggies out with the old bones and bits of meat I don;t want to eat. Just think, you would have thrown this away anyway if you hadn't planned on making broth.

    I love NomNom. I don't have all her kitchen gadgets though, but she has lots of great advice on her site.
  • KeithF6250
    KeithF6250 Posts: 321 Member
    Some questions for the field. I've always cooked my turkey carcasses to make soup. the same with ham bones to make bean soup. (I learned that from my father and continued my education under my father-in-law. He made his soup on a wood burning stove he had in his basement. that's "old school.") I've even used the water from steaming vegetables as stock for soup.

    Until I started following this group I never worried about cooking the bones or collagen. Before MFP I also did not worry about tracking the nutrients.

    In late March I took chicken remains and cooked them in water and a bit of vinegar until the bones were falling apart. I took the big bones out, gave some to my kids and froze the rest in individual size containers. Today I took the first one out to nuke and drink for lunch. I thought it was rich, satisfying and tasty and therefore successful.

    First question: how the heck do I log that? That might seem like a minor problem but I'm kind of a numbers nerd and it bothers me.

    More expansive question: tomorrow I will have ham bone and drippings, water from steaming asparagus and some sort of lamb remains available. I won't know about the lamb until I see what my son brings. I can see the left over asparagus and ham combining to make a dish of some sort. I don't see the lamb combining with either of those. My wife will be PO'd if I don't make bean soup with some of the ham. Any suggestions on what I can make with the remainder of the ingredients.
  • Sajyana
    Sajyana Posts: 518 Member
    I never skim broth. I figure whatever it is it has to be part of the meat/bone/cartilage so perfectly edible. ;)
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    Ham bone, yum. I'm envious of the wood stove. My Dad was raised in a humble home with no electricity or running water and of course they had a wood stove...and we had one growing up.

    On MFP, I just try to approximate what I eat. I just take a guess out of what they have in their data base and hope for the best. Much of what I eat has no label and is homemade.

    I don't have suggestions for lamb, except I usually make stew. For the ham bone ( which of course I will save, and the drippings too ) I will either make pea soup, either yellow or green, split or whole... or beet borscht, when I want to eat more carbs.

    But for ham leftovers, our favorite used to be spaghetti carbanara. I don't eat pasta anymore, but I sometimes make it with either spaghetti squash, or zucchini, or I bet it would be really good with cauliflower, or even shiritake noodles.

    Fry some chopped bacon, then add some onions, not too many if wanting to keep the carb count low. Fry together then add chopped ham to the pan. Add a slash of liquor like brandy, sherry or whiskey to deglaze the pan. Now this would be the part to combine the pasta with the bacon, ham and onions, adding a beaten egg to the pot and shredded parmesan cheese, and stirring until combined. I add whatever cheese I have, and sometimes add cream as well. I like Swiss or gouda or even cheddar with the parmesan. Not sure how cauliflower would hold up in the stirring. But it tastes delicious when the ham, bacon, onion and cheese combine with the egg and " pasta".
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    The leg bone portions are clean but there's some other bits with some marrow and cartilage still hanging on, so I turned the heat back up and will finish it up after breakfast. I'll post photos!
  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    i try to keep it simple. sometimes i brown or roast the bones, but often if i am short on time i won't.
    cover (just) bones with water.
    add bay leaf. (add mirepoix if i have time which i remove after 24 hours).
    splash of vinegar.
    bring to a boil, simmer hard 5-10 mins, then low & slow (like just the occasional bubble) for 24 (chicken) - 48 (beef) hours.
    i only add water to just cover bones, and let it reduce the last few hours.

    strain & refrigerate.
    if i have more than i will go through quickly, i will pour into ice cube trays and transfer those to ziplocs when frozen.

    i add redmond's real salt (usually per 1/2 tsp per serving) when i reheat.

    i also love to add garlic salt (trader joe's has a wonderful grinder with grey salt, dried garlic & parsley), coconut aminos, and dulse or wakame for added potassium.

    i love broth!
  • wheatlessgirl66
    wheatlessgirl66 Posts: 598 Member
    Y'all are making me eager to make some broth!
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    Here's another whopper of a photo for you guys!

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  • tmdalton849
    tmdalton849 Posts: 178 Member
    looks good! wow - big ol' batch! (:
  • wheatlessgirl66
    wheatlessgirl66 Posts: 598 Member
    Looks awesome, Octobubbles. Beautiful!
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    Thanks! I served some to my husband, and he said it needs salt but that it was good.
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    Way to go, looks good !
  • camtosh
    camtosh Posts: 898 Member
    edited April 2015
    Looks good! My broth turned out well, and I did eat the meat, it wasn't as bad as it first seemed. :p I was full past noon after a cupful this morning at 7:30, so it worked. Will make more! Here's how I logged it:
  • camtosh
    camtosh Posts: 898 Member
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  • Twibbly
    Twibbly Posts: 1,065 Member
    edited April 2015
    I make mine in the pressure cooker, then simmer it down & concentrate it. Toss a spoonful or 3 of the gel into a mug, add hot water & salt & sometimes fish sauce or coconut aminos, and I have a tasty broth drink.

    I simmer it down to about 1/4-1/3 of what it was, and it gels stronger than Jello does.
  • KetoCutie
    KetoCutie Posts: 161 Member
    Look at all that yummy bone broth! I am trying my first batch of beef bone broth this week. Can't wait! I am totally out and that makes me sad. I plan to do a chicken batch this week and well, and freeze it up so I have plenty on hand for my one cup a day habit.

    Last time I made broth I jarred it up but I think this time I'll use ice cube trays, so I can just pop them into a cup for warming without having to thaw the whole jar.

    Let us know how it tastes- I usually add salt, and for chicken broth, a bit of grassfed butter, to up the fat and taste factor.
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    @Twibbly that brings up my next question: How do you consume it? :sweat_smile: I served my husband some (a bit diluted and with salt) last night, which he said he enjoyed. He tried some on his own today and while I think he added salt I don't think he diluted it. He didn't finish it. The dog thanked him, but I'm wondering what the general selection of seasonings and concentration would be? I have two and a half jars of gelatinous broth and one small container of the whitish proteins I scraped off the top.

    What do I do with it? LOL, I'm totally doing this in the wrong order.
  • Twibbly
    Twibbly Posts: 1,065 Member
    I drink it hot from a mug, with whatever additions sound good. Current favs: salt, coconut aminos (because tamari or soy sauce is verboten for me), Red Boat fish sauce. I don't salt mine at all when I make it. Also use it in gravies and soups.
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    You can store the jars in the freezer until you know what you want to do with it.

    You can just drink it by the cupful, especially good when you are feeling under the weather.

    You can use the broth as a base for soup recipes. There is so much flavour in the broth that the soup practically makes itself! In my house we love to cook cauliflower and onion in chicken broth ( just barely covered with broth in the pot), and either mash with a potato masher or use tan immersion blender or Vitamix adding heavy cream and sharp cheddar cheese and a bit of arrowroot, for a delicious cheesy cauliflower soup. Add more cheese and bacon on top if you want. The options are limitless with soup.

    Use the broth as a base in your slow cooker with any meat and a few veggies if you want, and supper is ready.

    Use the broth in stews and stirfrys for wonderful flavour, especially when broth is reduced.
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    So you two are drinking it undiluted?

    Ours (beef broth, made just with water, no roasting first) is very bland, and as my husband put it, smells like wet dog. Did my batch go bad? Should I toss it?
  • Kitnthecat
    Kitnthecat Posts: 2,075 Member
    I do just drink it on it's own. Our favorite is chicken bone broth though. I generally find that beef on it's own can be bland. I find I get a richer flavour with the beef broth the longer it cooks. It also depends on how many bones you use in relation to water. I like to do mine on top of the stove and get it really boiling. I like to do beef and pork together for better flavour. I tend to drink the chicken broth much more often on it's own compared to the beef.

    For beef broth, I like to make a pot of beef soup. You could just use ground beef even. We like ground beef, onions, celery and cabbage and a bit of tomato with the beef broth, so a nice beefy soup. Sour cream on top is good.

    I love soup !
  • Twibbly
    Twibbly Posts: 1,065 Member
    I find that beef broth needs meat boiled in it, nor just bones.
  • rkufeke
    rkufeke Posts: 73 Member
    I like to drink my chicken broth with sesame oil, salt, and a little curry powder added.
  • KetoCutie
    KetoCutie Posts: 161 Member
    Hmm, I will definitely roast my bones tonight.

    bubbles, you should definitely flavor it up if you're going to drink it straight. Don't throw it out- you could still cook with it if you didn't fancy it on it's own. Even if it doesn't taste great, there are still lots of minerals in it that are good for you.

    The first batch I made was not fantastic- you get the hang of it as you go along. :)
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