low carb and calorie counting

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  • DAM5412
    DAM5412 Posts: 660 Member
    I don't understand how anyone can track their carbs, but not their calories? I would be lost without my 'food' tracker keeping me accountable and providing me with a location to log my food...to manage both carb and calorie intake.

    That being said, and I am very new to low carb eating, I struggle with just calorie in/calories out. I find when I eat more carbs, my appetite is completely out of control and I struggle with emotional eating. When I limit my carbs, food becomes fuel and my appetite is not an issue/distraction. I am able to better evaluate options and eat consciously. I do not have much in the morning and by lunch time (which is usually 6-8 hours after I get up and I've worked out) I am hungry, but not hangry or irrationally so. I can eat a relatively small low carb lunch and be fine again for several hours. This seems to be working for me, for now.

    I have had to scale back my running activities, but I was getting bored with it and not seeing results. I am now walking more (pretty much every day) and started a strength video workout (about 2x a week).

    So far, I am happy with my results (my scale today told me I am down another 2 lbs, but I am going to wait a few days and see if that maintains), and even more so, my energy levels and moods are great. I am sleeping well, getting up without feeling exhausted and going through my day without being a slave to food.

    OK sorry, that's a lot more info than you needed, but I guess my view is yes, count both. Monitor how you feel on certain days and try to relate to your diet. Tweak as needed and be flexible, but steadfast. What works for you will reveal itself if you are paying attention.
  • icrushit
    icrushit Posts: 773 Member
    Low carb here, although starting to reverse out of it at the moment as I'm nearing my goal. I count calories and carbs, as the way I see it, low carb has been great for adherence for me, ie I find it much more easy to stick to a calorie deficit when what I ate was rich in fat and protein :)

    On a side note, I've tracked my weight loss since I began, as well as also tracking what I would have expected to lose just on the basis of the calorie deficit I was eating, and found it pretty much to be a wash, as both numbers were quite close. I don't know if there is any magic to low carb, other than helping you maintain a caloric deficit through being full enough on the low carb foods you are eating. Perhaps there is some additional magic, but personally with regard to myself, I haven't seen any, aside from perhaps the potential speedy water loss from the initial glycogen depletion, which may be a benefit to some (ie athletes/ those who need to 'make weight' to be eligible for certain weight classes)

    I've done slow carb in the past by the way, and gotten good results (70lbs of good results), but this time I decided to try low carb, and personally found it even more effective than good, slow carbs. My blood sugar has been entirely problem-free, and my energy levels and hunger levels just great, although I shall be re-introducing carbs once my weight loss is over, just at a lower level than I ate pre-low carb.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Low carb here, although starting to reverse out of it at the moment as I'm nearing my goal. I count calories and carbs, as the way I see it, low carb has been great for adherence for me, ie I find it much more easy to stick to a calorie deficit when what I ate was rich in fat and protein :)

    On a side note, I've tracked my weight loss since I began, as well as also tracking what I would have expected to lose just on the basis of the calorie deficit I was eating, and found it pretty much to be a wash, as both numbers were quite close. I don't know if there is any magic to low carb, other than helping you maintain a caloric deficit through being full enough on the low carb foods you are eating. Perhaps there is some additional magic, but personally with regard to myself, I haven't seen any, aside from perhaps the potential speedy water loss from the initial glycogen depletion, which may be a benefit to some (ie athletes/ those who need to 'make weight' to be eligible for certain weight classes)

    I've done slow carb in the past by the way, and gotten good results (70lbs of good results), but this time I decided to try low carb, and personally found it even more effective than good, slow carbs. My blood sugar has been entirely problem-free, and my energy levels and hunger levels just great, although I shall be re-introducing carbs once my weight loss is over, just at a lower level than I ate pre-low carb.
    I didn't do Tim Ferriss' slow carb (not sure if that's what you're thinking), just good old low glycemic carbs, many of which are allowed on low carb diets. Man does it keep my blood sugar steady.
    My eating is pretty close to South Beach Diet phase 2 or 3.
    Congrats on being near goal!
  • icrushit
    icrushit Posts: 773 Member
    I didn't do Tim Ferriss' slow carb (not sure if that's what you're thinking), just good old low glycemic carbs, many of which are allowed on low carb diets. Man does it keep my blood sugar steady.
    My eating is pretty close to South Beach Diet phase 2 or 3.
    Congrats on being near goal!

    Thanks, although the closer I get to my goal, the more I end up pushing it out a little more, lol :)

    Was actually thinking good old low glycemic carbs actually, but have started reading Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Body book out of curiousity just recently actually, lol.

    Low GI carbs are great at keeping the blood sugar under control alright I found, although I was reading Alan Aragon's article (http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index) recently about how low GI does not necessarily correlate with low insulin, which made for interesting reading I must admit, as I hadn't been aware of the disparity between the two.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    I didn't do Tim Ferriss' slow carb (not sure if that's what you're thinking), just good old low glycemic carbs, many of which are allowed on low carb diets. Man does it keep my blood sugar steady.
    My eating is pretty close to South Beach Diet phase 2 or 3.
    Congrats on being near goal!

    Thanks, although the closer I get to my goal, the more I end up pushing it out a little more, lol :)

    Was actually thinking good old low glycemic carbs actually, but have started reading Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Body book out of curiousity just recently actually, lol.

    Low GI carbs are great at keeping the blood sugar under control alright I found, although I was reading Alan Aragon's article (http://alanaragon.com/glycemic-index) recently about how low GI does not necessarily correlate with low insulin, which made for interesting reading I must admit, as I hadn't been aware of the disparity between the two.
    Yeah, I tend to think more about glycemic load and impact.... and how to blunt it when needed, than just GI. Does that make sense?
  • icrushit
    icrushit Posts: 773 Member
    Yeah, I tend to think more about glycemic load and impact.... and how to blunt it when needed, than just GI. Does that make sense?

    Yeah, thats the way I see it too, although when eating eating more carbs in the past, I didn't sweat it too much, just tried to eat complex carbs mostly, and to mix the simple ones with complex ones and sometimes fats too, to dull any blood sugar funkiness they could inspire if I wasn't careful.

    For example, my homemade granola bars have a both sugar and honey in them, but that is balanced nicely by the fat in the nuts and seeds in them, and the complex carbs from the oats in them, and never had one affect my blood sugar :)

    I must say I really do like having no blood sugar issues at all, no matter how hard I push my body, since I've been eating low carb though. There's nothing worse than that low blood sugar crash, although I imagine my insulin sensitivity has improved since doing lower carb. I think also what I like a lot is not having to be conscious of food as much, as now I seem far more inclined to do whatever I want, even if its been some time since I've eaten. I never quite had that confidence/ attitude even when eating complex carbs, as for some reason, it just felt like a more temporary source of energy. That may quite well be just me, but I just feel less inhibited with the stable source of energy from all that fat, and also lack of worry about hunger from the protein/ fat combo. I'm probably drifting here now, but its just a hard feeling to explain :)
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Yeah, I tend to think more about glycemic load and impact.... and how to blunt it when needed, than just GI. Does that make sense?

    Yeah, thats the way I see it too, although when eating eating more carbs in the past, I didn't sweat it too much, just tried to eat complex carbs mostly, and to mix the simple ones with complex ones and sometimes fats too, to dull any blood sugar funkiness they could inspire if I wasn't careful.

    For example, my homemade granola bars have a both sugar and honey in them, but that is balanced nicely by the fat in the nuts and seeds in them, and the complex carbs from the oats in them, and never had one affect my blood sugar :)

    I must say I really do like having no blood sugar issues at all, no matter how hard I push my body, since I've been eating low carb though. There's nothing worse than that low blood sugar crash, although I imagine my insulin sensitivity has improved since doing lower carb. I think also what I like a lot is not having to be conscious of food as much, as now I seem far more inclined to do whatever I want, even if its been some time since I've eaten. I never quite had that confidence/ attitude even when eating complex carbs, as for some reason, it just felt like a more temporary source of energy. That may quite well be just me, but I just feel less inhibited with the stable source of energy from all that fat, and also lack of worry about hunger from the protein/ fat combo. I'm probably drifting here now, but its just a hard feeling to explain :)
    Oh yeah. If lunch is delayed, I'm fine. Before I'd be psycho.
  • Keto_T
    Keto_T Posts: 673 Member
    I focus on carbs first, then protein, then not being hungry (fat if needed) then calories. Usually focusing on carbs and protein (and fat as a side note) keeps calories in check without actually watching them.
  • deansdad101
    deansdad101 Posts: 644 Member
    I focus on carbs first, then protein, then not being hungry (fat if needed) then calories. Usually focusing on carbs and protein (and fat as a side note) keeps calories in check without actually watching them.
    Tia;

    Some (myself included) would suggest that you might want to reconsider the order of focus. ("...focusing on carbs and protein....fat if needed....").

    Significant carb reduction WITHOUT a corresponding increase in dietary fat intake can be a recipe for disaster as it's the FAT that provides the energy source NOT the protein. (Yes, SOME of the protein is converted).

    Consensus of the current research indicates that daily protein requirements typically run in the 20 - 25% (or calculated as a function of lean body mass) range and that more is NOT necessarily better - it can, in fact, be counter productive especially as it relates to weight reduction.

    I absolutely agree with your comment that "....calories (pretty much) stay in check without actually watching them" - however, at least in the beginning stages, tracking (not focusing on) them does make sense and since it really doesn't require any extra effort if you are already tracking F + C + P and you need the cal "target" in order to calculate Macro percentages anyway - why not?

    The key (at least IMO) is "tracking" vs. "focusing on".

    Track the cals but focus on the macros.
  • Keto_T
    Keto_T Posts: 673 Member
    I focus on carbs first, then protein, then not being hungry (fat if needed) then calories. Usually focusing on carbs and protein (and fat as a side note) keeps calories in check without actually watching them.
    Tia;

    Some (myself included) would suggest that you might want to reconsider the order of focus. ("...focusing on carbs and protein....fat if needed....").

    Significant carb reduction WITHOUT a corresponding increase in dietary fat intake can be a recipe for disaster as it's the FAT that provides the energy source NOT the protein. (Yes, SOME of the protein is converted).

    Consensus of the current research indicates that daily protein requirements typically run in the 20 - 25% (or calculated as a function of lean body mass) range and that more is NOT necessarily better - it can, in fact, be counter productive especially as it relates to weight reduction.

    I absolutely agree with your comment that "....calories (pretty much) stay in check without actually watching them" - however, at least in the beginning stages, tracking (not focusing on) them does make sense and since it really doesn't require any extra effort if you are already tracking F + C + P and you need the cal "target" in order to calculate Macro percentages anyway - why not?

    The key (at least IMO) is "tracking" vs. "focusing on".

    Track the cals but focus on the macros.

    I am not new to low carbing and not in the beginning stages. I follow the OKL (Optimal Keto Living) method. I focus on actual grams of macros and not percentages. The OKL theory is that less than optimal protein will contribute to loss of lean muscle mass while greater than optimal dietary fat will inhibit the use of body fat (fat loss/weight loss). I keep my carbs ≤ 35g net, protein ≥ 100g, and fill in the rest with fat.

    I follow my hunger with regards to calories and don’t restrict. As with most keto diets, calories are pretty self-restricting. Some days mine are pretty low, some days they are higher. So yes, I focus first on carbs, then protein, then fill in with fat and it’s been working pretty well for me.
  • FIT_Goat
    FIT_Goat Posts: 4,224 Member
    I don't understand how anyone can track their carbs, but not their calories? I would be lost without my 'food' tracker keeping me accountable and providing me with a location to log my food...to manage both carb and calorie intake.

    I'll preface this by saying that you should do what works for you. For the longest time, I tracked everything.

    But, it's fairly easy to track carbs and nothing else. You just put in vegetables and other carb-containing foods and don't log your meats, fats, oils, etc. If you consume very low amounts of carb-containing foods (low enough that you're never reasonably going to go over your limit), you don't even have to bother tracking them at all. I just keep a mental tally of when I eat a carb-containing food and only think about the specific count if I have a few in one day (rare).

    For some people, accountability is a good thing. And, I think a lot of people benefit from tracking at the start because few people realize how many carbs are in everything around us. A random carb here and there can add up quickly.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    I don't understand how anyone can track their carbs, but not their calories? I would be lost without my 'food' tracker keeping me accountable and providing me with a location to log my food...to manage both carb and calorie intake.

    I'll preface this by saying that you should do what works for you. For the longest time, I tracked everything.

    But, it's fairly easy to track carbs and nothing else. You just put in vegetables and other carb-containing foods and don't log your meats, fats, oils, etc. If you consume very low amounts of carb-containing foods (low enough that you're never reasonably going to go over your limit), you don't even have to bother tracking them at all. I just keep a mental tally of when I eat a carb-containing food and only think about the specific count if I have a few in one day (rare).

    For some people, accountability is a good thing. And, I think a lot of people benefit from tracking at the start because few people realize how many carbs are in everything around us. A random carb here and there can add up quickly.
    Or you track on a different app. The South Beach app allows you to track without seeing calories at all.
  • angelo74
    angelo74 Posts: 24 Member
    Hi everyone, also following Tim Ferris LCD, starting out here. I find myself consistently having to fuel myself since I'm working out 5x a week plus 2 days of strength with a trainer. Been working out a month like this and just lost inches. Been on the LCD for a cpl of days and feel fantastic. Does anyone have any advice for a newbie like me and can I still drink unsweetened almond milk? Any help would be great!
  • minties82
    minties82 Posts: 907 Member
    I definitely count. I have binge eating disorder and I KNOW I would eat way too much food if I was not being strict.
  • gerrielips
    gerrielips Posts: 180 Member
    After 60+ days on learning & eating Low(er) Carb, I woke up to the Washington Post Health Section this morning "http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/popular-diets-may-carry-risks-that-are-unexpected-and-not-worth-taking/2015/04/13/9ec6bafe-beb9-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html" They printed an excerpt from Consumer Reports about the pitfalls of Low Carb as well as Low Fat dieting.
    My weight has stabilized and I'm no longer losing like I did initially, but I'm not worried because my low(er) carb way of nourishing myself is in line with my insulin resistance and I'm doing as my doctors have suggested. My carbs are vegetables with maybe 2 fruits (max) a day...no pasty breads, cookies, cakes, etc that do a quick jolt to my blood sugar level and send me crashing down into fatigue, fogginess and more hunger. But to answer your question, YES, I DO COUNT CALORIES - but I don't obsess about them. I try to exercise a minimum of 3 times a week which gives me more than the 1200 calories daily that I would normally have as I have a sedentary job. I'm trying to increase my protein without making it so high that I will damage my kidneys and leach out calcium from my bones, but now my carbs:protein ratio is about equal. Feel free to friend me and look at my food diary. The main benefits of this approach (to me) is that I get incredible support from fellow LCHF members and the licensed nutritionist/dietician also agreed that this approach is good for me (at least for now.) For the first time ever, I feel in control of what I'm eating. So far, 21 pounds down...and if it takes me another 2months to lose 10 more, so be it. The calories aren't everything...the quality and correct balance of my food is.
  • Lrdoflamancha
    Lrdoflamancha Posts: 1,280 Member
    I am still a newby to LCHF... So I still count calories... Matter of fact I weigh and log every single thing. I am tempted to stop logging at some point in the future but to me that seems like a slippery slope back to weight gain. I would also like to say that I have had a loss every week for 13 weeks in a row. So for now, I will keep on doing what is working for me.
  • nicsflyingcircus
    nicsflyingcircus Posts: 2,902 Member
    Me. I actually transitioned from straight calorie counting to lowish carbs (50-60ish per day) to keto, all while continuing to count my calories.

    I am used to it and it works for me so far.
  • sweetteadrinker2
    sweetteadrinker2 Posts: 1,026 Member
    I count my calories and my carbs. I like it, and its a good way to make sure I'm eating enough. Left to my own devices without counting calories I'd eat about 400 calories a day, which isn't exactly healthy as a daily occurrence.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    gerrielips wrote: »
    After 60+ days on learning & eating Low(er) Carb, I woke up to the Washington Post Health Section this morning "http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/popular-diets-may-carry-risks-that-are-unexpected-and-not-worth-taking/2015/04/13/9ec6bafe-beb9-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html" They printed an excerpt from Consumer Reports about the pitfalls of Low Carb as well as Low Fat dieting.
    My weight has stabilized and I'm no longer losing like I did initially, but I'm not worried because my low(er) carb way of nourishing myself is in line with my insulin resistance and I'm doing as my doctors have suggested. My carbs are vegetables with maybe 2 fruits (max) a day...no pasty breads, cookies, cakes, etc that do a quick jolt to my blood sugar level and send me crashing down into fatigue, fogginess and more hunger. But to answer your question, YES, I DO COUNT CALORIES - but I don't obsess about them. I try to exercise a minimum of 3 times a week which gives me more than the 1200 calories daily that I would normally have as I have a sedentary job. I'm trying to increase my protein without making it so high that I will damage my kidneys and leach out calcium from my bones, but now my carbs:protein ratio is about equal. Feel free to friend me and look at my food diary. The main benefits of this approach (to me) is that I get incredible support from fellow LCHF members and the licensed nutritionist/dietician also agreed that this approach is good for me (at least for now.) For the first time ever, I feel in control of what I'm eating. So far, 21 pounds down...and if it takes me another 2months to lose 10 more, so be it. The calories aren't everything...the quality and correct balance of my food is.

    That article is a load of crap and uses the canard that low carb is high protein. It's not.

    Their explanation for what happens at lower levels of carbs is flat out wrong, too. While there is some gluconeogenesis going on, the body taps into fat stores via ketogenesis. LCHF is actually more protein sparing than calorie restriction on its own.

    Also, as long as you're not eating protein to the near total exclusion of fat or carbs, you don't really have anything to worry about unless you have an existing kidney issue.
  • IamUndrCnstruction
    IamUndrCnstruction Posts: 691 Member
    I count both carbs and calories. I focus heavily on both. This has become a slight problem in my case, as I have increased my workouts significantly yet am afraid to adjust any of my macros or calories. I have yet to find what works for me yet. My weight loss has stalled, I lost two pounds after the initial water loss of 10. Those two pounds are probably back. Granted I have other issues which may play into this, though I am not diabetic, insulin resistant or I believe very sensitive to glucose.

    I experimented these past three days with eating back my exercise calories, which I had not been doing. It seems to have helped with the fatigue and, weirdly enough, sadness, I was experiencing. I am still trying to talk myself into trying at least the TDEE -25% approach, as it would mean I would eat about 500-600 more calories a day than I am eating per MFP's suggestion. Then just not logging my workouts other than in notes.

    So the tl;dr version: Yes, I count both and am starting to scare myself with it.
  • KristenMarie1181
    KristenMarie1181 Posts: 216 Member
    Hi I am new to this group. i was wondering for my weight. 337 pounds and wanting to lose upto 200 pounds! Yes 200 pounds for my height I need to be around 115-130 (5ft2 1/2)

    I really need help with my calorie counter. Help with how many sugars I should be eating, how many carbs, etc etc. I think I am going over but not sure.
  • KETOGENICGURL
    KETOGENICGURL Posts: 687 Member
    QUOTE: …"if it was basic calorie in calorie out, every one with a deficit would have lost weight easily.-Leon;
    Dean'sdad: Why is something so simple so difficult for so many to comprehend?/quote

    Yes when CICO Fascists(as I call them) say Calories IN --they only think of SURPLUS calories-- and have no answer for a deficit-- mine was 1,100 calories a DAY!!… did not lose me a pound every 3.2 days..in fact in 16 MONTHS I lost only 8 lbs..up and down too. because it was the WRONG foods, plus sleep apnea, plus meds, plus metabolic issues, plus... plus….

    So I ask them..if it is ONLY CICO..then I should weigh 12 pounds after 24 months of -1100 a day..right? no? as if we can follow like a machine. I call this the "Bunsen Burner" theoy of CICO…since they INSIST then it should work for everything, then a 73 year old 168 lb grandma with 2 knee replacements should eat & lose the same, as the 24 year old 168 lb. body builder.
  • sweetteadrinker2
    sweetteadrinker2 Posts: 1,026 Member
    Go to the launch pad-super great resources. Also
    ankle keto calculator
    helps a ton
  • sweetteadrinker2
    sweetteadrinker2 Posts: 1,026 Member
    *ankerl
  • JulieEllul
    JulieEllul Posts: 50 Member
    Many of you know me. I'm not low carb (but I do focus on eating SLOW carb). But, I respect low carb eaters.

    I do have a question, however, for my own edification.

    How many of you are low carb AND do calorie counting?

    thanks for indulging me. Cheers.

    I'm a new Keto dieter (medically supervised) and have to count everything. Honestly I think it's valuable to know and so easy to track on here. I do it during meals to help me slow down and enjoy meals. I get such small portions I gotta make it count! I do run into a calorie gap which I will be checking with my nutritionist to figure out details. I'm in week 2 12lbs down.
  • camtosh
    camtosh Posts: 898 Member
    Hi Beautifuleyes, here's the link to the Launch pad with lots of info for starting LCHF: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10103966/start-here-the-lcd-launch-pad

    And plug in your own stats on this calculator to figure out your macros for protein, fat and carbs:
    http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/
    Good luck!
  • Lrdoflamancha
    Lrdoflamancha Posts: 1,280 Member
    edited April 2015
    My how things change in a day...we have to move to Az for up to 8 weeks, 1 hour to pack and go. So I will be going zero carb... No weighing or tracking anything.... This better work...LOL

    Posted this yesterday ....
    I am still a newby to LCHF... So I still count calories... Matter of fact I weigh and log every single thing. I am tempted to stop logging at some point in the future but to me that seems like a slippery slope back to weight gain. I would also like to say that I have had a loss every week for 13 weeks in a row. So for now, I will keep on doing what is working for me.

  • Sugarbeat
    Sugarbeat Posts: 824 Member
    Me. I tried to only count carbs for the April challenge but I find myself counting calories out of habit.
  • KarlaYP
    KarlaYP Posts: 4,436 Member
    I log and track both carbs and calories, though I am still a Newbie. I agree that we should all do whatever it is that works for us!
  • glossbones
    glossbones Posts: 1,064 Member
    I log everything, so the calories are there to see, but more often I will change what I eat in response to my ankler settings (not enough protein, usually) than to hit a calorie goal.
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