Five Days Dairy Free - 4th to 8th May (and beyond if it works!)
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geraldinemyoung17 wrote: »And how do you clarify butter?
http://nomnompaleo.com/post/15235810877/d-i-y-ghee0 -
geraldinemyoung17 wrote: »So do you think coconut milk will whip frothy like HWC in BPC?
And how do you clarify butter?
To clarify butter.... Heat unsalted buttet.... Scrape off the foam that rises to the top... Then strain through several layers of cheese cloth....0 -
I just stir my coconut milk into my coffee but I'm sure it would whip up if that is an issue for you. If it doesn't, then coconut cream perhaps would? The cream is obviously thicker and richer in fat than the milk. Both can be used to make delicious coconut curries with any meat of your choice - prawns/shrimp, chicken, red meat...0
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Well here I go, checking in for Day One...
Weight 83.1 kgs / 182.2 lbs. I was slowly increasing in weight during last week (when I was back on dairy after 5 days without). Coincidence? I don't know. Which is why I'm spending today and the next 4 finding out
If this goes well and I lose again, and the bloated feeling I've had all week goes away then I'll know I'm onto something.
If this experiment does go well, I will try reintroducing butter next week to see if I can 'get away' with that. I hope so, because my skin seemed my dry during my first 5 days dairy free. I obviously don't want that at my age!0 -
I weighed in today at 221.4 --up 2 lbs from yesterday. I've been gaining for three days now, maybe b/c of an antibiotic?? I didn't have cheese yesterday--head start!
I don't really want cheese/dairy to be the culprit that keeps me from losing, but if it is I want to know.0 -
Well I have to be the sharpest tool in the shed - not! We usually eat around noon for the first time each day. Today we were out and had still not eaten by 3pm so went to a cafe. I got my usual Caesar salad and it was only after it arrived that I saw the shreds of parmesan cheese in it. Far too small to pick the pieces out. Oooh aaaah! In total it would have been about a rounded teaspoonful I think so I'm going to pretend it didn't happen - that's all I can do
I agree Wheatless. It would be nice if dairy wasn't to blame. However, if it is, I intend to stay away from it as much as possible while I lose and then I can enjoy it again when I want to maintain weight. Well those are my thoughts anyway
ETA I didn't have any dairy yesterday either, aren't we angelic? Well, you more than me I think 0 -
I think that dairy is one of those food staples that are easy go-to's that very easily put people over in calories. I've never been very keen on dairy being lactose intolerant, so for me it's not an issue. The theory about dairy causing stalls could be as simple as if you don't weigh every gram, it adds up so fast. Or there could be something in dairy that works counterproductive to fat loss. Remember that all foods create chemical responses in your body. Those chain reactions are what constitute "metabolism".
For dairy-lovers, maybe think of it more as a 2-3x a week, like more of a treat rather than a food that is a cornerstone of your diet ? I think 5 days is not enough to experiment, I'd shoot for 2-3 weeks, but if you see positive effects of cutting it out after only 5 days, then there's a strong indicator. Then experiment with thresholds and how much. I don't see a reason to cut it out completely, unless very severe cases.
Just a hunch, I do think butter is better than cream and cheese.
If you want to creep my diary for a life with very occasional dairy, give me a wave
Oh, a quick search provided two articles addressing dairy and slow fat loss on lowcarb macros:
From authoritynutrition.com/15-reasons-not-losing-weight-on-a-low-carb-diet/Even though you may seem to tolerate dairy products just fine, eating them often and spiking insulin can be detrimental to the metabolic adaptation that needs to take place in order to reap the full benefits of low-carb diets.
In this case, avoid milk, cut back on the cheese, yogurt and cream. Butter is fine as it is very low in protein and lactose and therefore won’t spike insulin.
From dietdoctor.com/lose-weight-by-cutting-down-on-dairy-products-and-nutsDairy products all contain a varying amount of lactose (the milk sugar), which slows down weight loss. What’s more, part of the protein in milk generates an insulin response, which can have the same effect. Consequently, cutting back on dairy products may accelerate weight loss. This applies especially to dairy products typically lacking in fat, such as regular milk and different yoghurts, but be careful with full-fat dairy such as cream and cheese all the same.
As with all things concerning diet, I think it's individual what types of dairy, how much and how often you can eat with no adverse effects. No one size fits all.0 -
There will likely be mishaps like that along the way, May. I forgot to tell my husband to leave the cheese off my burger a couple days ago. Hopefully a slight oops won't make a huge difference. I've allowed myself some (measured) blackberries for 3-4 days and I think I have to cut them out b/c I've been gaining.
If I ever hit the magic button and lose weight I hope I can have some dairy and fruit during maintenance. We can dream, can't we?0 -
Here I go, my first day dairy free.
My weight has been bouncing around but is up due to social alcohol consumption lately and going over in my calories the past couple of weeks. Too many dinners out celebrating various occasions. I hadn't had alcoholic beverages for months before Easter, then there was just too much going on to avoid celebrations. So today I am up 1 whole kg from 2 days ago ( pre- birthday drinks and dinner, darn that steak rub and a bit of Haagen Dazs...)
May 4 - 98.7 kg / 217.14 lbs.
It will be hard for me to tell whether dairy might be to blame, since I plan to cut out all dairy except butter, but I also will watch the calorie intake more diligently and cut out the alcohol and nuts, and watch the berry intake. So if I have favorable results, I won't know whether to attribute it to the dairy or to caloric restriction, or the alcohol or nuts. But I'm up for the challenge, and need to get back on track.
The only concern I have is that the cheese would bump up my protein intake, and I struggle as it is to eat enough protein, so will have to up my meat portions likely to compensate0 -
Right, I'm in! I think dairy is messing with my eczema anyway. Gonna be using ghee and butter as Im not having coconut.0
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Alright! Day 1. I was going to start last week but just could not give up the cheese. Plus I forgot to communicate this change to my fiance and was told I should have told him because we would have mourned the loss (aka ate a bunch of cheese). That brings me to today being day 1.
Check in:
161 (up from 158 a few weeks ago)
My results won't be purely from cutting out dairy as I have to watch my calorie intake this week. At first I felt like the scale might just not be reflecting my changing body and that I would get a whoosh in no time. Now I'm thinking I might be slowly gaining. Unlike people that try increasing their calorie intake to lose, I have to do the opposite. Wah wah. But it just isn't worth it to me to put it off another week. I would rather try all things at once and then add things back in then stall out for another month (eek, or gain!)0 -
@Foamroller thank you so much for your input and the quotes, all of that is really helpful.
@Wheatless Yeah, whoopsies happen I wish we all had a magic button, wouldn’t it be wonderful? I know for a fact that you’ll be able to have dairy and fruit during maintenance.
@Kitn Well you did have a birthday, and they only happen once a year! Definitely time to get back on track now though. Treats are good but, to quote the Cookie Monster, ‘they’re a sometimes food’ And yes, meat, eggs, beef jerky?, pork rinds? for you protein.
@Spush (This is starting to look much like another comfortable, friendly thread I could mention!) Sounds good. Here’s to us all doing great!
@m_puppy Whoops yes, fiance’s certainly need to know
And I understand about the results being hard to pin to just dairy. As you said, reintroducing one thing at a time may tell us plenty too.
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I want to do this . I notice my acne flaring up do to my Greek yogurt . The thing is I like to snack on cheese and I make a French onion dip with sour cream for my pork skins0
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Welcome on board @steffiejoe I wonder how coconut cream would be with your French onion ingredients? It would be a bit runnier, but should be tasty.0
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steffiejoe wrote: »I want to do this . I notice my acne flaring up do to my Greek yogurt . The thing is I like to snack on cheese and I make a French onion dip with sour cream for my pork skins
You can make a French onion dip with mayonnaise, too.
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Day 1 - 98.7 / 217.14
Day 2 - 97.3 / 214.06
Too early to see a trend but this is encouraging, but also similar to what my weight did all through April, so we'll see.0 -
Geez that's nice!
Day 1: 161
Day 2: 1610 -
Hi Everyone - 9:47pm Tuesday for me and I've had a good day. I suddenly realised just before my second meal that my fat for the day was really low but I have heard tell that as long as your carbs are low you're still in ketosis. (I do keto, take no notice if you're normal low carb!). I might try to remember to take a blood ketone reading in the morning.
However. Being way under goal on fat gave me things to think about and realise how much I usually rely on dairy to fill in the gaps. But I reached for the peanut paste, some nuts and coconut milk and have rescued my macros somewhat, though these added protein or carbs I could have lived without. I've reached 27g carbs (I usually aim for less than 15, but under 20 is fine. 70g fat and 80g protein instead of 123g fat and 80g protein. Oh well, I usually do pretty well. But zero dairy today so that's all good.
After yesterday with just that tad of parmesan cheese by accident I don't want to talk about this morning's weight. Hopefully I'll want to discuss it again after tomorrow's weigh-in
Congrats @Kitn wow! That's the kind of thing we all want to see here, bravo! @m_puppy and our other companions... it'll be our turn tomorrow hmmm?0 -
Hi ladies, missed the weigh in yesterday so will just start with today
Starting weight 169 and having hwc in my coffee - forgot about the challenge until I had already had breakfast - I will cut that out and switch to almond or coconut milk for the balance
Congrats to all the ladies on their 1st day
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Congratulations Kitn---good for you! I hope it keeps going at this rate for you.
Day 1: 221.4 (a 2 lb overnight gain)
Day 2: 219.4 -but this doesn't mean anything b/c of the 2 lb. gain. I do, however, wish it was valid!
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No worries @happylife, we can all set our own dates. It's more about what happens than all doing it on the same day/s.0
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Well, I had approx 6 oz (150g) of cheese today at party we threw for a coding club my school had. I really do know better. I just have a hard time turning down cheese.0
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Tee hee! You're forgiven Goat.
I was text book perfect yesterday as in no dairy and lost a rather pathetic 200g this morning. If it was 200 new g's I'd be happy but I've been putting on weight steadily over the past week and a bit for no reason that I can see. I'll post a section of my spreadsheet and you'll see the Weight and Progress columns in relation to my 3 Macros columns.
I found it hard to get in my fat goal yesterday because Brunch had blown out my protein and carbs and there's nothing non-dairy other than spoonfuls of coconut oil to raise only fat levels. And maybe a heavy carb day won't do me any harm - mix things up. Though I didn't really want to change anything other than taking out dairy this week.
It's another day - heigh de ho!
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Day 3: up .2 this morning
This is actually day 4 for me of dairy free. It doesn't seem to be making a difference so far.
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Day 1 - 98.7 / 217.14
Day 2 - 97.3 / 214.06
Day 3 - 97.1 / 213.62
So far so good. I won't know what to attribute this too, probably a combination of factors. Just thought that in addition to the absence of the cream in my coffee, I have increased the MCT oil, have to have something in my coffee. That might be speeding things up too, who knows ?0 -
Kitnthecat wrote: »Day 1 - 98.7 / 217.14
Day 2 - 97.3 / 214.06
Day 3 - 97.1 / 213.62
So far so good. I won't know what to attribute this too, probably a combination of factors. Just thought that in addition to the absence of the cream in my coffee, I have increased the MCT oil, have to have something in my coffee. That might be speeding things up too, who knows ?
Wow! Fantastic, Kitn!0 -
Thanks Wheatless ! I have cut out cream and cheese and yogourt, as well as nuts and alcohol, but also have been watching the calories, something I strayed from in April. And I've upped the meat and cut down on the veggies. Kind of a mini meativore.0
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up .5 this a.m but TOM is due today...also, can't do coffee with almond milk...yuck,yuck,yuck
Have a great day ladies
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Hi @Wheatless I'm sorry you're not seeing a difference yet. It would be just so amazing to find The Secret wouldn't it? We'd all stick to it firmly 99% of the time then and lose all the weight we want to *sigh*.
Hi @Kitn well, whatever it is, it's working for you so I'm really happy to hear that. I want to start taking my AC Vinegar again but will wait until this 5 days is over. Even so, I've had nothing but bacon and eggs for my 2 meals today, and a small pepperoni snack so if I'm down tomorrow it could be lack of dairy or lack of anything other than what I've had. Oh, and the coconut milk in my coffee - that's always a given for me. I love exact science - all this 'could it be...' is a test of my patience
Hi @happylife I hope that is a smaller than usual gain for you and that you'll have a big drop in weight soon. I bought a carton of almond milk a while ago but haven't used it yet.
I managed to reach my fat goal today by using far more coconut oil than I usually would to cook bacon and eggs for my dinner. I am **no** chef and what should have been fried eggs ended up in about 8 messy pieces by the time I'd tried to turn them, and mangled them instead. My bacon was literally burnt around the outsides but barely cooked in the middle. I turned it, truly I did, but turned my back for 2 seconds... That's my trouble, I'm far too easily side-tracked and always do 6 things at once LOL
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As they say in South Africa... Oy, oy, oy, oy, oy!!! Today I'm the same unremarkable weight as the unremarkable weight that I was yesterday
The last 5 days dairy free that I did worked wonders. Well, a 700 g/1.5 lb loss anyway, which for my age and gender is pretty awesome. This time I must have forgotten my Wonder Suit 'cos all it's achieved for me so far is a 400g gain; a 200g loss and a 'stayed the same' = total 200g gain so far with 2 days to go. I slept dreadfully last night though and I know that poor sleep doesn't lead to weight loss so here's hoping for good sleep tonight and a massive result to prove this works. Actually, strike that; I love dairy so if this fails I can still have it ha ha!0
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