Yes, it will be fully down in five - ten years. Bariatric surgery will be bankrupt. Carb industry will fight back and put out studies that Keto is bad for you. But the internet and fantastic results of the diet will prevail.

Ya know how people make fun of "Big Tobacco" "Big Pharma" "Big Oil", what do you think about:

"Big Carb"
"Carbage Industry"

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There's some backsliding on the official stance on fats but plenty of resistance. I see acceptance of olive oil but reluctance to embrace bacon and egg for breakfast.

In addition to vested industry and professional interests the opposition includes veg*ans, animal rights and environmental activists who see keto as heavy on the meat.

I think it's just something you gravitate towards once you discover low carb. It's not for everyone and I only dabble in it but there's something in it - I just know that after 15+ years of CICO didn't work and made me miserable and fat.

It's not that fringe any more. Everyone has heard of low carb and no-one raises an eyebrow in restaurants when you tell them to hold the fries or you want the burger with no bun. It's here to stay. Even if most people aren't into the science and the biohacking.

As for doctors, well mine told me I'd be best off looking into a low fat diet this week. I nearly laughed. Yeah, loads of 'whole grain carbs' and a little lean chicken? Road to miserytown!

Still fringe, for now, but will be mainstream soon. I look at our Group numbers here. When I joined the group, in February this year, there were 11,000, or so, members and now it's over 16,000! That tells me that times are changing! My parents, a sister, and a niece have jumped on just this weekend after watching me these last few months! So yea, people are watching and ultimately they want some of what you are having!

I've been to two doctors, primary care physician and neurologist, this past week and neither one poo pooed my woe, at all! So, I don't feel it will be very long before it becomes mainstream. If the doctors in super small town Mississippi are getting on board, then the rest of the country is there too.

wabmester wrote: »

Previously, low-carb dieters represented about 6% of the dieting public (according to one report I read). It's probably still smallish, but seems to be gaining momentum.

Higher than vegetarians ?

I think it's still fringe, but gaining momentum. I admit that I was afraid of the negative comments from others when I first turned Primal 5 years ago, but throughout the years I came to enjoy being a food rebel, especially now that I am keto.

It is interesting to me that although we see more evidence of an increasing level of acceptance of this woe in the media, especially online....not many people I know in my personal life have any knowledge of a keto diet, and I work in the health care sector. Medical professionals know of it, but seem to want to cling to conventional dietary recommendations.

Some of the people who know me ask what I am doing to lose weight, because they see that I am shrinking in size before their eyes, and I tell them honestly how I eat. Only a small fraction of these people appear willing to really listen to me tell them that sugar is bad and that fat helps the body lose weight. However, as soon as I mention the amount of fat I eat, these people lose interest in what I am telling them, stating that this diet not good for me. It is a start I suppose, but if my experience with the people I know is any indication, then probably less than 5% of the population I know have any knowledge of keto. I think it will take much more exposure of this topic in the media etc before people will actually start to pay attention.

I had one staff member out of probably more than 300 people where I work ask me the other day, "so your body is pretty much in ketosis all the time?", but he is an exception in my experience. It's unfortunate that he is with the CICO crowd, but at least he is aware of the process with keto, and he's also very smart. It's a start.

I'm going to be having an involved procedure and overnight stay at the hospital this week and I'm a little more than hesitant about telling my cardiologist what my diet is. If my cholesterol has raised, I know I'll have the statin fight again. And what in the world will I eat from the hospital cardiac menu? Yikes. I'm hoping I can fake it and keep my dietary info to myself.

Which means that people in my world are still of the low-fat-healthy-grains variety. My sister thinks I'm about killing myself not eating carbs. And so much fat!! I don't mention it anymore. I haven't lost enough weight for anyone to notice, so they're not asking questions.

That's a great idea SlimBride ! Or Wheatless, you could pack some emergency rations to help you through. Or eat well prior to your procedure and choose to fast afterwards.....or both. They may not even use real butter at the hospital. In that case, I'd probably skip eating or just eat the foods that fit with your plan.

jumanajane wrote: »

I wish people would trash the Statin brigade too.

I thought at first it said the Stalin brigade, and I was wondering what communism had to do with anything. Lol

It is more accepted but I expect the masses will hang on to carbs until death.

I believe keto will always be fringe. Low carb however which in many studies I have seen claim it to be 150 - 200 carbs will probably be what is recommended instead of low fat. Hopefully it will be more of a whole foods revolution which would benefit everyone including the cico crowd. Of course most people here know that is way too high to reap the full health benefits of low carb by avoiding sugary/starchie foods.

Kitnthecat wrote: »

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However, as soon as I mention the amount of fat I eat, these people lose interest in what I am telling them, stating that this diet not good for me. <snip>

Kitn, what you mention here is so true! And there's a funny YouTube video that reflects this:

LCHF is the XXXX (A funny animated explantion of the Keto WOE)

Enjoy,

Dan the Man from Michigan

GaleHawkins wrote: »

It is more accepted but I expect the masses will hang on to carbs until death.

This. There are so many mainstream websites that still plug "healthy whole grains" and demonize fat. Webmd is one, of course the American Diabetes Association, the American Heart Association, and strangely the Weather Channel has gone into giving nutritional advice as well! Popular magazines like Reader's Digest and Redbook and Family Circle will keep feeding their readers the low fat, high carb schtick. And still too many nutritionists follow the party line, so still fringe in my opinion.

My predictions (sometime in the near future):

There will be less and less advertised "Lo-fat" groceries.

There will be a restaurant somewhere (and it will make the news) that has a "Lo-carb" menu section (Kinda like a gluten free section".

Maybe a restaurant that will either be a Ketogenic eating establishment or Keto friendly.

There WILL be Ketogenic Weight Loss clinics. That may already be a fact and probably. I mean, you'll be driving down the street and you'll see a name of a clinic with the words "Ketogenic" in it .

One reason the diet is taking off, is there are people that have lost over 100 lbs (the golden bragging number) that people pay attention to. When bariatric surgery started, after a few years, everybody knew someone who did it, and how it transformed their lives for the better. Usually ONE person can influence (be seen directly) by at least 100 - 200 people, (family, friends, work & church or clubs/associations). Take me, for example, we have 150 people in our church, I worked at a company and changed companies in the middle of my diet, but that was about 75 people, a software user group I run (50 people) and my family. Although technically I haven't lost 100 lbs, on this diet, I now am down enough to where people that see me are constantly doing double takes. I feel like a celebrity. So, most people know what diet I am doing, because I explained it to them. And of course, most don't want to give up their carbs. BUT, since I started, there are now 3 of my friends doing Keto, another 3 interested and asking questions and another 3 doing lo-carb (50 - 100 carb g @ day).

So, not only are people seeing my success, but I am already getting questions from once removed people. Friends and family that know me, tell their friends and family. I think in a couple years, this will start snow balling. And at a much faster rate than Bariatric surgery. That was just too harsh and un-reversible. Soon, everybody will know someone that did this diet and lost an extreme amount of weight. And since I am older (58) this diet is also a solution to the inflammation in the joints among us old fogeys. Before this diet, I thought Advil was a miracle drug. Since I started this diet, I almost threw them away (until I started exercising recently). Even then, I only used it for one day. Pre-keto my joint ached all the time. But now my inflammation and edema is gone! YAY!

Thirdly. Diabetes/morbid obesity is running amuck. This diet is a God send for diabetics. Not to mention all the money a diabetic could save by from the insulin. If insurance companies were smart (and they're not), instead of approving expensive bariatric surgery, they should only approve it AFTER the patient tries a medically supervised Keto diet (the doctor could monitor them through the MFP diary) (failure to do the diary, would mean denial of bariatric surgery). I would envision a clinic the fat person would go to, to learn how to eat ketogenically, an education center, with a kitchen where they would cook delicious Keto meals. AND teach them how to live this way. This would be MUCH cheaper than the insurance company shelling out from $12,500 to $25,000 for bariatric surgery.

What do ya think?

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