It surprises me really that in this day we still have to explain it. Low carb is very mainstream now (at least in Australia it's not a foreign concept to most people). I mean, if you offer a steak to someone and they say "No, I'm a vegetarian" no one's going to blink. Low carb is becoming the same way. I think it's easier to avoid mentioning Keto or the high fat component, no one cares about the science.

DittoDan wrote: »

I am surprised by how against this WOE people are. It's weird how some will take it personally!

It shouldn't be amazing that people are against it. Think, if you told a hard core alcoholic or drug addict or or smoker ~ that they shouldn't do drugs or alcohol or cig's, what response will you get from them? Carbs are an addiction to many people. I am a recovering carboholic. The dynamic is very similar.


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This is exactly what comes to mind when ever I see someone say "I couldn't do it. I love my carbs"! Or when people start in accusing you of "demonizing" carbs and sugar. Also, anytime I see someone mention they just cut carbs or want to be cause they feel like they have binge issues with it and someone else comes along and advises against it preaching self control instead.
I'm always thinking "This person just admitted they lose control of their eating and cravings with this food. Would you tell the heroin addict they can have a little heroin, they just have to have self control"?
I actually tried helping someone once who said they lose control with sugar once by simply encouraging/supporting their decision to remove it from their diet. A short time later I went back to say something else and the post had been deleted I guess because I couldn't find it.
Sorry addicts! I guess you just have to figure it out on your own. Smh

The methadone approach -- eat a little everyday so you don't eat a lot. lol

nvsmomketo wrote: »

Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »

It shouldn't be amazing that people are against it. Think, if you told a hard core alcoholic or drug addict or or smoker ~ that they shouldn't do drugs or alcohol or cig's, what response will you get from them? Carbs are an addiction to many people. I am a recovering carboholic. The dynamic is very similar.

You are right. It shouldn't be surprising... I guess I like to think that I tend to be open minded towards ideas that might help me. I'll look into it, read some books, do some research, and then I use it or discard it. Maybe it is surprising that more people aren't willing to even consider the idea.

Then again, if you you think about it in terms of addiction, then I shouldn't be surprised... LOL

Exactly! But it was actually @DittoDan that said that part. Due to my bad quoting, it didn't show up as his quote.
Just wanted to clarify.

I find that what people really can't process is the "high fat" part so I never mention it.

I use: "I'm a diabetic and can't eat sugar or flours." People more or less agree that sugar and flour are bad so that works for most, at least until I decline to eat some fruit or granola (most of my friends are "healthy whole foods" evangelists).

It's much easier now that I've lost a lot of weight, people assume I must be doing something right.

deksgrl wrote: »

KetoGirl83 wrote: »

I find that what people really can't process is the "high fat" part so I never mention it.

Yes, except when they find out about the bacon and cream cheese, etc, they say how horrible that is for you.

OMG, I had someone freak out one time, because I mentioned that my diet is such that I could have a plate of bacon as a meal (I needed something that I could possibly take with me, since I might have needed to eat on the go, and needed to finish half a pack of bacon or risk it going bad, because we actually don't eat much bacon) and not feel guilty about it. He started going nuts about how I'm going to do nothing but gain weight, and he completely shut out the fact that I mentioned that I was finding more success with the high fat way of eating than I have with any other way of eating and am actually losing weight where I wasn't before, because he was that married to the "fat is bad, especially animal fat, eat low fat" mantra. It wouldn't surprise me if he was an avid follower of Fuhrer or other such low fat vegan proponent.

Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »

DittoDan wrote: »

I am surprised by how against this WOE people are. It's weird how some will take it personally!

It shouldn't be amazing that people are against it. Think, if you told a hard core alcoholic or drug addict or or smoker ~ that they shouldn't do drugs or alcohol or cig's, what response will you get from them? Carbs are an addiction to many people. I am a recovering carboholic. The dynamic is very similar.

This is exactly what comes to mind when ever I see someone say "I couldn't do it. I love my carbs"! Or when people start in accusing you of "demonizing" carbs and sugar. Also, anytime I see someone mention they just cut carbs or want to be cause they feel like they have binge issues with it and someone else comes along and advises against it preaching self control instead.
I'm always thinking "This person just admitted they lose control of their eating and cravings with this food. Would you tell the heroin addict they can have a little heroin, they just have to have self control"?
I actually tried helping someone once who said they lose control with sugar once by simply encouraging/supporting their decision to remove it from their diet. A short time later I went back to say something else and the post had been deleted I guess because I couldn't find it.
Sorry addicts! I guess you just have to figure it out on your own. Smh

But heaven forbid you use such an analogy or mention that part of the adjustment period is withdrawal! Because, you know, if your withdrawal symptoms don't risk killing you (like they do with some of the harder drugs), it's not really an addictive substance and you're not really going through withdrawal.

Yes, I actually had someone tell me that before, when I mentioned that part of the reason you feel like crap when switching to a whole foods based and/or lower carb diet is because of withdrawal.

(BTW, to make quotes right, just make sure the opening [ quote] tag number matches the closing [ /quote] tag numbers. The username/post number stuff isn't required to make the quote styling.)

KetoGirl83 wrote: »

I find that what people really can't process is the "high fat" part so I never mention it.

I use: "I'm a diabetic and can't eat sugar or flours." People more or less agree that sugar and flour are bad so that works for most, at least until I decline to eat some fruit or granola (most of my friends are "healthy whole foods" evangelists).

It's much easier now that I've lost a lot of weight, people assume I must be doing something right.

Ah yes, the "but these are good sugars!" crowd. Sorry, but like the corn growers' association ad regarding HFCS says -- sugar is sugar. If "sugar is sugar" works for cane vs HFCS, then it works for cane/HFCS vs fruit, as well. No one likes that logic, though.

newmeadow wrote: »

nvsmomketo wrote: »

I think people need to hit a bottom before they change, and I think it is a harder and lower bottom when the change is perceived to be really big.

There's a lot of wisdom in this post. Thanks for it. Most people really DO learn the hard way, myself included.

Agreed, and lets hope the "bottom" isn't death by: diabetes/heat attack/stroke....

I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
Keto / IF / Sedentary
92 pounds down, 32 to go.

Blog #13 DittoDan's Milestone's, First's And Good Changes Since Starting the Ketogenic Diet Updated

My mother in law is constantly trying to push fruit into my mouth. She doesn't get it at all and thinks I am a weirdo. When I tell her how much weight I lost, she rolls her eyes and asks me if I am sure. She always prepares massive salads for me because "you're on a diet!" when I say I don't eat salad, I'd rather have a boiled egg.

Funny thing is, she is always on some different diet all the time. Last month it was food tailored to her blood type. This month she read a book about diet and arthritis, and is telling me how evil sugar is - but only cane sugar. Fruit and honey are fine. But no tomatoes, the acid gets into your joints. And no red meat as it's full of chemicals. Etc etc.

She had a blood panel done and her cholesterol was very high, but she still tells ME off for eating butter and eggs. My cholesterol is smack bang on normal. Sigh.

I just tell people that I have a history of gestational diabetes, my dad has type 2, and I am headed for type 2 myself and trying to prevent it (all true). Most people tell me it's awesome.

My dad had a heart attack in his.mid forties and I don't want that to be me.

I have lost 80+ pounds, so when people try to tell me not to eat how I am eating, I can very easily just say, well, what I am doing let me loose over 80 pounds, so it's working for me!

When co-workers have tried to give me snacks I look sad, like a puppy that knows you have the stick but you won't throw it.

"Oh, I'd love to, but I've found out that starches give me horrible gas. I'd be happy for about two minutes eating your delicious cupcakes, Coworker Lady, but then everyone would suffer for hours. I couldn't do that to you."

Being known as a walking fart bomb stops the feeding pressure. For a lot of people eating is a social event and they get a lot of joy out of feeding the people around them (I used to be the office baker, I know), but no one wants to be in the cubicle next to the Pooting Princess.

nvsmomketo wrote: »

I think people need to hit a bottom before they change, and I think it is a harder and lower bottom when the change is perceived to be really big. I've known about the LCD for a couple of years, and dabbled in it, not long enough to reap the benefits but just the discomfort, yet I wasn't ready to commit until I felt I really needed to. Now that I'm doing it I wonder why I waited. LOL

Your families know about this WOE, hopefully they'll consider it soon.

I totally agree. Just like with most any addiction.

It was when in Aug to doctors said for me to read about Enbrel injections and come back on 7 Nov 2014 to start them. Aug/Sept I "tried" to taper off of carbs and I failed. First of Oct I told myself that I was going to die if I did not ditch carbs. For the next two weeks I thought I was going to die from cold turkey carb withdrawal then the physical addiction faded fast but the mental addiction lingered for a few month but that was not too strong and pasted as well.

I have an edge on some of you because I am 64. By 64 you know you are mortal. You are watching your family and friends die monthly due to poor eating and couch potato lifestyles.

While I wish I had changed 40 years ago thankful besides almost total body arthritis I am OK and have not taken any Rx meds for over 10 years.

When as an old crippled up man I tell them when I ditch most all carbs (have to say sugar and bread because the general population does not know what "carbs" means) and within 30 days my pain level when from a 7-8 level to 2-3 on a 1-10 scale they just say that is good but they could never give up sugar and bread.

There is about 1 out of every 100 of people you talk to will at some point circle back and with personal interest will ask more questions about LCHF. That is why I share in an open way with others.

I had known for years that sugar made arthritis pain worse. It was staring at my painful future death from cancer, etc because I had knocked out my immune system with Enbrel injections that became my rock "bottom" moment.

9 months later I am in better health and with much less pain then at any point in the last 30 years.

I saw my dad on the weekend. He is type 2 diabetic and very sick, and doesn't want me to end up that way. He's one of the few old people I know who understands carbs and what they do to your body. We sat down to lunch and I took some cold meat and cheese but no bread roll and he says "oh, you're back off the carbs, that's good" like I'd quit drugs or something.