I like the water weight theory. And even the ketone levels as a factor. But I think sodium losses are a bigger factor than glycogen (math available if interested ).

I eat an apple once in a while, but mostly the skin -- that's where the nutrients are. I learned that trick from a CRON guy (calorie restriction, optimal nutrition).

As long as your hunger and cravings are still in check, I wouldn't get too excited about the differences between 30g and 50g carbs.

slimzandra wrote: »

I put salt on the apple, so maybe that might be holding more water too... I really did not want to write off that crunchy goodness. The more I get in to learning about food and macros, the more surprised I am by the impact of little tweaks here and there. Since it was an every day addition over the course of 2 weeks, I can see where it probably does impact glycogen levels cumulatively as you mentioned. Humph.

Well if it's just water and it's not making you ravenous or anything I don't see why you should have to quit eating them. I hope they're organic!

Your glycogen stores probably won't be affected at that level. Ketone levels drop, so brain intake of glucose increases. It will take the brain about 3 hours to slurp up that extra 22g carbs (although you really should be counting net).

slimzandra wrote: »

Two weeks ago, I went apple picking with my son and ended up picking about half a bushel of the lovely apples. I've been eating about one a day. My CICO has remained the same, activity the same, carbs increased approx. 22g. (not subtracting fiber) according to MFP from ~30g to 52g. The end result is that I haven't lost any weight in the past two weeks. I was averaging about .6 to a pound a week. Could the mere increase of 22g make such a difference? Are the sugars in the fruit messing me up to that degree? I have been avoiding fruits on this WOE for the past 5 months. I assumed a "healthy" deviation - after all it wasn't cake! - would be harmless. I'm just really surprised that one juicy apple would have such an impact. Thoughts? Anyone else experience this? Anyway, I guess starting tomorrow it's back to the grindstone.

I am insulin resistant, so this might not apply to you, but my body does not recognize the difference between an apple, a banana, a candy bar, or powdered splenda, etc. All of them spike my insulin, cause blood sugar rushes/drops, and make me super sleepy/fall asleep randomly, and increase my cravings. They also make everything else I"m doing less efficient. Including bathroom stuff. But too much fiber stops up the natural processes for me, too - likely the no gallbladder thing.

Adding Kombucha - with the naturally fermented sugars, hasn't done too much yet as far as affect cravings and such, and I had a carb slide of entirely unrelated stuff, but I've been tracking a bit now and look forward to more data analysis...

An apple a day keeps ketosis away in my case.

nicintime wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

An apple a day keeps ketosis away in my case.

Yup. Me too.

Yes...too much sugar. I also hear fructose raises triglycerides so if I have fruits it has to be berries only.

I have insulin resistance. I have been told to keep my carbs to no more that 60 grams per day. Many foods have carbs in them and 60 grams can add up real quickly. I limit my fruit to berries or very small portions of other fruit. Some fruit I don't even try because of their carbs.

Interesting that one of the most successful commercial weight loss plans, tell you that there is no limit on fruits or vegetables within reason. I tried this program several times and was always discouraged because of slow weight loss or none, then throw in the towel.

This challenge from my doc has been working for me. I generally keep it 50 grams or less. I have to watch my blood sugars thou and there have been times I needed more carbs to stay within healthy limits. Just how my body responds.

GaleHawkins wrote: »

An apple a day keeps ketosis away in my case.

I absolutely ADORE apples; which is one of the things I miss most following this WOE. Prior to going full on Keto, I had an apple every day during the week as part of my lunch and I did this for years (Fuji & Gala apples being my two favorite kinds); however, I've figured out how to make chayote squash taste EXACTLY like apples so I can safely indulge the flavor I'm wanting whilst still ingesting a much lower amount of carbs / sugars. I like the chayote version of faux apples and use them in place of real apples in any recipes that calls for them now and it works wonderfully for me because if I did have one apple, not only would it kick me out of ketosis but it would also cause the neuropathy in my feet to flare up just from the amount of sugar contained in the apple.

Apples and other fruit cause me too many issues to include them in my diet. They not only stall my weight loss, but I have digestive troubles with them as well.

Honey Crisps are amazing! So is most fruit that you can buy in the grocery store today. And part of the deliciousness is fructose - alas, something that if I eat will set off a chain reaction that for me is as bad as eating a donut. YMMV

I live in Washington State - apples are religion - at least on the East side of our mountains!

I keep having this conversation with friends - "What?! You don't eat fruit?!? Fruit is GOOD for you!!"

Sigh. Yes it is. And it is certainly better than potato chips. But it is a high sugar food. And if you eat lots of a high sugar food it will have a similar effect on you as eating sugar or pasta. (I know, I know, fiber mitigates that. Somewhat. Kind of. A little bit.)

200 years ago you would eat a few apples during harvest time, and maybe a pie or two. Grapes? Same thing. Fruit was seasonal. And the fruit that stored well (I love heirloom varieties that have been around for a few hundred years) did NOT have as high a sugar content. Have you tried a Red Delicious apple lately? They were THE apple when I was a kid. They have been largely replaced by new varieties because the flavor isn't as good. Why? Higher sugar content in the new varieties. And make no mistake, most (not all) of the fruits in our grocery stores were not available 100 years ago, and bear little resemblance to the fruit that our ancestors ate before that - with a few exceptions.

I was raised in Central America. One of my fondest memories are the ethnic foods and fruits that no one had ever heard of and that my friends could hardly believe when I described them. Now many of them are in the produce department of the Safeway where I shop! Huge change in just 20 years....

Now I go to my Costco in February and can buy AMAZING table grapes. Grapes picked yesterday. In Chile. That is Chile South America. Just like some people don't know that meat doesn't come in sterile plastic wrapped packages (Daddy, you mean hamburger comes from a cow?!?!?), so we take for granted the steady supply of fruit (and other produce) brought to us by the marvel of 21st century transportation.

My only point in this ramble is that much of a diet that people think is "normal" and "healthy" wouldn't have even been possible 100 years ago, let alone 200.

I understand why folks "push" fruit - it is WAY better than the junk food that most people stuff their bellies with. But long term it still has the same effect.

And short term, ketosis and fruit do not go together. For me.

When I am closer to maintenance I will add in lower carb higher fiber fruit that I LOVE - raspberries, blackberries in particular. But for now fruit of any kind is a personal no no - I have way too much weight to loose and I know my tendency to binge, so better not start.

@nicintime what you said there makes a lot of sense to me. I love honey crisp apples too and I figured I would allow small amounts in rare occasions during visits to farms this fall. But I think I will look into the lowest sugar content apples and limit my indulgence to small amounts of those instead. After all, I expect they will taste plenty sweet to me since even many vegetables taste sweet to me now.

Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »

After all, I expect they will taste plenty sweet to me since even many vegetables taste sweet to me now.

THIS!!!

nicintime wrote: »

greenautumn17 wrote: »

We need a like button for that post, nicintime. Hear, hear!

SunnyBunny - the heirloom varieties can be hard to find if you live where they aren't grown. Some coops, organic stores, and certain nurseries have them. Commercial growers go with what sells.

Sometimes a search for 'baking apples' or 'storage apples' will yield results.

Check out Raintree Nursery online and read the variety descriptions.

Good luck with your search!

There are a few Apple farms I visit every year and I know I saw baking apples at them before. I think I should be able to find myself an apple treat that won't load me up with sugar. Not sure if I'll have as much luck with organic though...