Honey and Keto
jlynnschroyer
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Hi guys, well I did keto pretty successfully for 30 days and 'cheating' every few and lost 15 lbs. Well for the last week I did horribly and have bounced from my lowest weight of 276 to 280 (s.w. 294). Well, It is winter and I ADORE tea and sugar in the raw LOTS OF it! So, I have been drinking tea every day and alternately trying tea with 1 teaspoon of honey and 2 tsp erythritol and 1 tsp sugar in the raw and that is the best combo I have found. So if I have 2 or 3 16 Oz of these a day and followed the keto diet to a t does anyone think this would stall my progress? Or if someone has any other suggestions for tea combinations ( I like sweet black tea no lemon or milk ) that would work for the keto diet with some depth of flavor that is now lacking that I can't use a lot of honey and sugar in the raw?
Thank you for all of your input and I hope you all have a great day!
Thank you for all of your input and I hope you all have a great day!
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I'm not a big tea drinker AT ALL, in fact I dislike most teas; however, last year I found a sugar free low carb tea that is simply WONDERFUL as far as "sweet" flavor goes. It is MarketSpice's Cinnamon Orange flavor and here is a link to if you are interested in trying it:
http://www.marketspice.com/store/products/marketspice-cinnamon-orange-50ct-teabag-package
They sell the stuff in several different size choices, just fyi. It gets it flavor from cinnamon oil and orange oil so depending on how strong you brew it, the flavor can be quite strong / intense. Also, because it is flavored with oils, you will NOT be able to make or store the tea in anything made of plastic because the oils interact with plastic in ways which are not good. So you'll need to use ONLY metal or glass containers. This stiff tastes so good that this minor inconvenience is well worth the deliciousness!0 -
I like a slightly sweeter tea too, although not quite as sweet as yours sounds to be! I really absolutely adore Teavana's Rooibos Tropica tea, it is phenomenal! And it is stupid expensive so I don't drink it as often as I want to.
But I have found another good one that works and is much more affordable is Good Earth's Citrus Kiss tea. It's sweet enough for me without adding anything. It is a decaf green tea, absolutely delicious, and (TMI) if I drink it on a completely empty stomach it makes me barf. I have no idea what that's about. I can drink it by the quart as long as there is food in my belly! 0 -
just stop sweetening your tea should do it. but then I drink lots of yerba mate, so i'm not a sweet tea drinker anyhow.0
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Have you tried stevia drops? One to two drops has a similar sweetness as a teaspoon of sugar. Approximately. Add stevia slowly though. I find too much gives it a odd, bitter aftertaste. Perhaps adding it as a partial substitute could work?
I am a coffee drinker and find a dash of vanilla adds a nice flavour too. A bit of nutmeg and cinnamon is nice too... May not work in tea. LOL
...it is hard substituting out sugar. Nothing is really the same. It is more of a matter of getting used to something new. IMO
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It sounds like you are really after that sweet taste and at a very sweet level. Maybe consider slowly reducing the amount over a couple weeks. You can teach yourself to adjust to the slightly less sweet taste in such a slow rate that in 2 weeks you could be down to 1/4 tsp honey and 1 tsp erythritol and be used to its taste and not even think it doesn't taste sweet. You might even be able to get rid of the honey entirely.
That's how I cut back on my artificial sweetener in my coffee and I even got my teenager to cut back from 6 sugar packets in her iced tea to just one Splenda that way and now she actually prefers her tea completely unsweetened!
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jlynnschroyer wrote: »Well for the last week I did horribly and have bounced from my lowest weight of 276 to 280 (s.w. 294).
I think that is your answer.
Honey is sugar, sugar is sugar. Measure it and if it is in the allowable number of carbs you've chosen simply count it and if you choose to spend your carbs that way, go for it!
I'd rather spend my chosen carb allowance on good nuts or veggies or some tasty full fat dairy.
I'm still drinking diet soda, so that is what fuels my sweet tooth. I'd love to give that up, but not quite ready to tackle that mountain just yet.
If you're looking at Low Carb to drop a few pounds it's not a big deal. If like me you started morbidly obese and want to get healthy, or if you are going keto for pain or health issues, or ??? I think it's really important to understand that what I call "dancing around the edges" of keto doesn't work well long term nor produce the results most people want.
A diet is a diet. True change is a WHOLE 'nother story...
Good luck!
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Good tea, without sugar, is a good goal. I LOVED my sugary tea and coffee. Over the past two years of decreasing sugar (with some side trips into very unsatisfying artificial sweeteners), I now adore plain tea or tea with a bit of lemon. Coffee with heavy cream is OK, but plain tea is now the bomb!
Transitioning is hard, but eventually it does taste 'right'.0 -
I'm from the South and used to drink sweet tea so sweet you can stand a spoon up in it. First, I gave up sugar and used Splenda. I used as much of it as necessary to get away from the sugar. Then, I slowly started dropping a little Splenda. Just a year ago, it took 3 teaspoons of Splenda for a cup of tea. Now, I'm down to 1 and I can do without it, if necessary.
You have to want the weight loss more than the sugar. It's not easy to do, but it really is that simple a concept. I had to wean myself off slowly, but I did it. Now, sweet tea tastes awful, gagably awful.0 -
I make tea every night since giving up my daily wine since starting keto. Last night I added butter and half&half, with stevia. It was so good. Rich. Sweet, nom nom0
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I just quit sweetening it cold turkey several years back. Now I enjoy it completely unsweetened. If iced I might add lemon or lime.
Skinnygirl used to make a stevia sweetener with a touch of honey that has a really good flavor. I use it in my husband's tea. I got it at a closeout store so I'm not sure if it was discontinued or not...0 -
I used to have my tea with 3tsp of sugar and 100ml of milk, and around 8 cups a day! I slowly reduced the sugar and milk, until I was drinking it with no sugar. Now I add a dash of milk and that's it. It tastes horribly sweet with even a half a tsp of sugar in it now.0
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I do honey in my tea, or mixed with butter for a dip/sauce for leaner meats like chicken breast. It hasn't kicked me out of keto yet. I do find it very important to weigh it though, as volume measurements seem very off when compared to weight in honeys case. I use 3-4 grams in a 12 ounce cup of tea, and if I want it sweeter than that I use liquid artificial sweetener. It really depends what carb level kicks you out of ketosis, I've had days up to 80-90 grams and didn't get kicked out.0
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Well I noticed that on days that I drank the tea I wanted a lot of sugar I ate a lot of cookies like 10 in one day over the course of 8 hours oatmeal almond yum! And I honestly have never measured my ketone or know how to. I am not willing to spend the money to buy something to pee on a stick or poke myself with a needle (both options equally gross lol!) But I am back down to 277.2 as of this post where as the 6th I was 278.6. So even with all of this 'cheating' and drinking a lot of tea it hasn't been horrifying and made me gain a ton of weight. The funny part is I used to drink anywhere from a 24 Oz to 1.5 liters of mountain dew a day and can do that anytime and quit that cold turkey and deal with no repercussions (like caffeine headaches) on occasion I will get a mountain dew for the caffeine when it's desperately needed and I have not had any since black Friday and been fine ( but I worked a lot and only napped for 2 one hour intervals at my store over the period of 5pm thanksgiving night to 9pm Friday night. ) it's just something about this time of year that hot tea is amazing!
Thank you all for your suggestions! I will definitely try them and see which works best for me! Though in the long run I think I will add honey to my tea because a) super health benefits b) it takes longer to digest than regular sugar and is better for you and c) how is anything sustainable if you can not make yourself do it all the time?0 -
sciencenovice wrote: »I make tea every night since giving up my daily wine since starting keto. Last night I added butter and half&half, with stevia. It was so good. Rich. Sweet, nom nom
I need to try this! I am stuck in the glass of red every night rut and need to break that. I grew up with sweetened tea and coffee, then gave up the sugar in my 20s (30+ years ago...) and have survived on just milk in tea and coffee for years. But now I am reading a novel in which the main character bakes goodies and drinks tea with sugar--just the image has started old cravings up!0 -
I think you are an offensive twit. I have a son with diabetes who has to measure his glucose prior to giving himself insulin, I do not think what he does is gross.jlynnschroyer wrote: »And I honestly have never measured my ketone or know how to. I am not willing to spend the money to buy something to pee on a stick or poke myself with a needle (both options equally gross lol!)-1 -
Lucille4444 wrote: »
I think you are an offensive twit. I have a son with diabetes who has to measure his glucose prior to giving himself insulin, I do not think what he does is gross.jlynnschroyer wrote: »And I honestly have never measured my ketone or know how to. I am not willing to spend the money to buy something to pee on a stick or poke myself with a needle (both options equally gross lol!)
I think you're being an over-sensitive momma bear. Surely, SURELY you can recognize that there is a vast, Grand Canyon kind of difference between doing something like measuring BG as a MUST due to a medical condition, and measuring blood ketones as an absolutely non-ESSENTIAL part of figuring out if one is in ketosis. And if Ms. Schroyer thinks that it would be "gross" to take blood samples when it is completely unnecessary - in what possible way does that affect you in the slightest? Good gravy, Lucy, lighten up.0 -
I can understand how it was viewed as offensive. As a mother of a T1D, people responding in a grossed out way upon seeing her prick her finger or take a shot (close autocorrect mistake there. Lol), would be upsetting. Diabetics being expected to hide their personal care by going to the bathroom is not uncommon. But giving injections and blood testing in a bathroom is truly what's gross.
I know that's not what @jlynnschroyer was saying, but those are the kinds of past experiences that come to mind whenever someone says its gross. It's hard not to have that stuff come to mind and influence the feelings this new comment created. It is important though, to filter our response in trying to create an understanding of how saying that can be insensitive. We have to remember that the speaker probably has no idea that it could be offensive to anyone, but is probably open to learning why it is.0 -
Lucille4444 wrote: »
I think you are an offensive twit. I have a son with diabetes who has to measure his glucose prior to giving himself insulin, I do not think what he does is gross.jlynnschroyer wrote: »And I honestly have never measured my ketone or know how to. I am not willing to spend the money to buy something to pee on a stick or poke myself with a needle (both options equally gross lol!)
First off I just want to say, I will not apologize for my comment because to me it is true I have a mild phobia of needles and sticking them in my skin but it is not enough that I do not donate blood now and again as it is for a good cause. Yet, I could not bring myself to do it every day or anytime I need to measure my ketones. So yes to me sticking needles in my skin is considered gross (mostly arising from the fact that when I DO give blood I am poked several times and they have to dig the longest I was in one chair was almost 30 minutes as they tried multiple spots and both arms and a fair amount of bruising later I was unable to give blood because they refused to stick me any more.)
However onto the subject of anyone with diabetes, I would never tell someone to go to a bathroom to stick themselves the same as I would never ask a mother nursing to hide it away from the public eye. There is a line between necessity and unnecessary. Which to me personally measuring my ketones via blood brings bad memories or via stick is unsanitary whether or not you can wash your hands or wear gloves.
Different people view different things as 'gross' as I am sure that any number of women here would freak out the moment they saw a spider and run out of the room screaming. I was the same until I got over my fear in a little thing I do once a month I choose something to better myself or learn. Well about 6 months ago I was afraid of spiders so to get over my fear I purchased a Chilean rose hair tarantula after much research (did you know females can live up to 20 years and go as long as a year without eating? Absolutely fascinating!
) she is the size of my hand and her name is Ariadne. I hold her and am no longer afraid of spiders (though swarming insects are not something I can handle if anyone has been to the great Lakes in the USA around mayflies season and the Canadian soldier season you might understand why) so my point is. I have no ill will towards you or anyone who suffers diabetes. Yet to take offense to a comment and then attack the poster about a comment that had absolutely no malice behind it to me is not a polite or good way to handle the situation. Hopefully this might clarify the situation for you and I wish you luck in getting over whatever in your life causes you to 'cyber bully' from the comfort of your couch, but please tell your son. He should never be ashamed of his condition and he should never go to the bathroom to spare someone's feelings for something that is extremely important to his health.
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jlynnschroyer wrote: »'cyber bully'
Nice try, but no.
From diabetics to MANY people here, blood tests and ketostix are important for their health. And you probably knew that. To wail about the perceived grossness of it all is simply bad manners.
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Here is a fun fact about tarantulas that I am sure anyone who has done intermittent fasting could appreciate, tarantulas will go for months without eating BY choice! Even when food is offered and nothing is medically wrong with them and then they will start back up eating normally randomly! I thought that was a cool little thing.
Also, Sunni I can see what you mean about how that could cause negative feelings with peoples reactions to your daughter, and I am sorry that the world is that way but I strongly believe that through strife strong characters are made and that is a good thing, after all how can there be happiness without knowing the feeling of sadness to compare it to?0 -
Lucille4444 wrote: »jlynnschroyer wrote: »'cyber bully'
Nice try, but no.
From diabetics to MANY people here, blood tests and ketostix are important for their health. And you probably knew that. To wail about the perceived grossness of it all is simply bad manners.
I will no longer reply to your comments, the way you feel is the way you want to be fine. I was just explaining my side of it. But respect how I feel about it. Have a good day Lucille.0 -
jlynnschroyer wrote: »However onto the subject of anyone with diabetes, I would never tell someone to go to a bathroom to stick themselves the same as I would never ask a mother nursing to hide it away from the public eye. There is a line between necessity and unnecessary. Which to me personally measuring my ketones via blood brings bad memories or via stick is unsanitary whether or not you can wash your hands or wear gloves.
I would not have phrased it the way @ Lucille444 did, but I had a similar reaction.
I a extremely open about my health, and that of my family - at least until I was diagnosed with diabetes. There is such a stigma in our society about having diabetes - it is widely perceived as a disease you bring on yourself by being a fat slob. I know the first thing that will happen if I disclose that I have diabetes is that people will look at me and go, "Hmm, what does she expect since she obviously has no control over what she sticks in her fat face." I have this reaction, even though it is pretty clear that my diabetes is inherited - and that I would have acquired it even if I was skinny as a rail and exercised like there was no tomorrow (as was my grandfather who was the first diagnosis in a line that now includes all of his descendants my age or older, including others with a variety of body weights and exercise habits).
Referring to the tools needed to care for that disease in language that perpetuates the impression that the disease is shameful is part of what makes it harder for diabetics to maintain health - because we feel we need to hide our disease by sticking in private, eating food we shouldn't to be polite because we don't want to disclose we have this shameful disease, etc.
I know it wasn't your intent to add to the stigma - but I hope you can understand that comments like yours can do just that.
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I remember this being a topic of discussion on a Facebook group for T1D parents. Just about everyone expressed offense and told stories about times when children and adults alike, appeared or said they were disgusted by the puncture and blood acts. Which, people tended to understand we have a natural aversion to, but they generally explained that, especially with children, it lead to feelings of shame and judgement that had a negative influence on their child's self image and acceptance of their disease. That is a HUGE battle for young (and probably older) people that have to do these things so frequently, no matter where they are, what they're doing, or who their with. So, it does tend to be a "sensitive" subject. One that is fueled by many past experiences with people that just didn't understand.
Children, especially, just want to be like everyone else. When they are diagnosed, they immediately feel different (in a bad way) and all the differences between them and other children make themselves known all day, everyday. Even when their peers and others engage in very accepting behavior, it's hard to deal with feeling different. It's an entirely more intense thing if someone seems afraid or grossed out, because children (and adults too sometimes) tend to view that as being grossed out by them.
Anyway, I understand both sides of this particular situation and don't feel negatively toward anyone, myself. I just thought I'd share this info because, it's generally encouraged among these T1D parent groups to bring awareness to the existence of some diabetes challenges that are not typically considered.
Peace, love and LCHF on
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Tulsi teas are really very sweet. Not for me but sounds like perfect for you.0
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Lucille4444 wrote: »
I think you are an offensive twit. I have a son with diabetes who has to measure his glucose prior to giving himself insulin, I do not think what he does is gross.jlynnschroyer wrote: »And I honestly have never measured my ketone or know how to. I am not willing to spend the money to buy something to pee on a stick or poke myself with a needle (both options equally gross lol!)
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Lucille, while it's understandable that what she said upset you, you do not need to resort to name calling in order to explain why what she said came off as insensitive. You would do well, next time, to focus on the thing as opposed to the person, and explain it more along the lines of how neohdiver did, and while acknowledging that there is a difference between a person without diabetes choosing not to subject themselves to something they're squeamish about for no other reason than data that they don't personally find useful (in this case, measuring ketones for no other reason than to see if you're in ketosis, rather than just staying on plan and trusting the body to do its thing), and a person with diabetes having to do it regardless of their own feelings, because their life literally depends on it.
You are well within your rights to disagree and to point out why jlynn's comments about it being gross are harmful, but make sure to keep the attention on the comment. Attacking other people is against the MFP community guidelines and is frowned upon here, anyway. This is your first warning on the matter. If you make further attacks, we (the mods) will have to start taking disciplinary action (including removing you from the group if it proves too much of a problem), and we really don't want to have to do that.
Community guideline in question:1. No Attacks or Insults and No Reciprocation
a) Do not attack, mock, or otherwise insult others. You can respectfully disagree with the message or topic, but you cannot attack the messenger. This includes attacks against the user’s spelling or command of written English, or belittling a user for posting a duplicate topic.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
tl;dr -- name-calling is against the larger MFP guidelines and is frowned upon here, regardless. Think more carefully about your responses (especially passionate ones) before posting to ensure you're not attacking someone personally, or risk further disciplinary action.
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I have 2 questions. How does "offensive twit" differ from "over-sensitive momma bear"
or " 'cyber bully' "? If warnings are going out for 1 shouldn't there be 3 ?
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I made a good peppermint hot chocolate a few times. Could also, skip the peppermint syrup and use stevia instead to sweeten.
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2Tbs Hershey unsweetened cocoa
3Tbs Davinci sugar free peppermint syrup
6Tbs heavy cream
5oz unsweetened almond milk and water to the consistency you like.
I heated the liquids on the stove (tastes funny microwaved to me) and poured it over the cocoa powder in a giant mug. This much is easily two servings.0 -
KenSmith108 wrote: »I have 2 questions. How does "offensive twit" differ from "over-sensitive momma bear"
or " 'cyber bully' "? If warnings are going out for 1 shouldn't there be 3 ? or
Technically speaking, the "cyber bully" comment was describing the actions, not the person. I missed the momma bear comment earlier.
Frankly, consider it the initial warning of everyone here -- no ad hominem attacks. They're against the community guidelines, so be mindful of that when you're posting. The initial warning is not disciplinary action in and of itself. MFP calls it a "notice," which means the users in question are made aware of the rule they're violating. Disciplinary action does not happen until further violations occur.0 -
jlynnschroyer wrote: »I think I will add honey to my tea because a) super health benefits b) it takes longer to digest than regular sugar and is better for you and c) how is anything sustainable if you can not make yourself do it all the time?
My only comment regarding you decision is to make sure you are using real honey. I know this probably seems like a strange, odd or funny thing to say, but if the honey you are using is clear enough to see through, then unfortunately, nearly all of the benefits of the "honey" you are using have been eliminated because it's been processed. Real honey is cloudy (more yellow than golden) and you cannot see through it...just fyi. Here's an eye-opening article about the important differences between real and fake honey:
http://www.realnews24.com/there-are-shocking-differences-between-raw-honey-and-the-processed-golden-honey-found-in-grocery-retailers/
Everybody has something they aren't willing to give up and it's okay if for you that is honey. I agree...your WOE absolutely has to be something you can stick to and maintain so it HAS to be livable to you.0 -
a) super health benefits b) it takes longer to digest than regular sugar and is better for you and c) how is anything sustainable if you can not make yourself do it all the time?
a. marginally
b. not really
c. that's a search for justification, not sustainability
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