Low carb lifestyle long term
Buildingit3157
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Hi all! Ive used low carb eating habits in the past many years ago to get where I wanted to be weight wise and had positive results. Since then I've always eaten very healthy foods yet no matter my physical efforts, can never lose the weight. So I've joined back in (day 3 ketosis) and knowing I'm carb sensitive this seems like something I can endure long term after I have a strict segment and get near my goal weight. I AM educated about how the body works and how low carb works within. I've been all over the internet reading science studies etc about the health and long term effects of being low carb because I want the facts. No matter what positive numbers I see or about testimony I hear people give from their doctors, I just keep internally feeling like eating high fat even from good sources will bring some ill health down the road long term. Or maybe it's my fear that they don't really know long term effects yet. Thinking aloud here...
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I hear you. Embracing fats is quite the 180. I don't remember seeing any good studies that say fat is dangerous in the long term.
On the other hand, there is a LOT of anecodoal evidence that the low fat diet of the last few decades isn't very good for us.
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Does anyone know of anyone who has maintained a LCHF lifestyle for many years, like 10 or more?0
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Great Q Christine.0
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@Buildingit3157 while I know over the last hundred years use of nutritional ketosis is safe without question I still have times of doubt.
Last night I learned there never was any medical evidence that saturated fats were bad for our health but there is research that proves they are good for man's health. I have been at it for only 1.5 years and learn more on MFP every week.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
3 minutes in Dr. Fung (Canada) tells the only reason we can not lose weight then goes on to put to bed for good the false Fats myths with science.
Best of success.0 -
I have been strict Keto for 9 months. I have bloodwork done and my dr is very interested. All my #s came back great. my triglycerides, lipids, and cholesterol were great. Even my T3 and T4 were in the good range.0
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Christine_72 wrote: »Does anyone know of anyone who has maintained a LCHF lifestyle for many years, like 10 or more?
I am the only person I know IRL who is low carb... I know OF a few who have been LCHF for a long time. Dr Richard Bernstein has been LCHF for about 40 years to treat his T1D. Phinney or Volek must be close to 10 years LCHF now.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Does anyone know of anyone who has maintained a LCHF lifestyle for many years, like 10 or more?
Jimmy Moore0 -
The "fat is bad" study that started it all had unscientific method, ie he fudged the results to match his hypothesis.
Took me months to add more n more fat. 5 mths later n my blood work looks great.0 -
SamandaIndia wrote: »The "fat is bad" study that started it all had unscientific method, ie he fudged the results to match his hypothesis.
Took me months to add more n more fat. 5 mths later n my blood work looks great.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
This is Dr. Fung (Canada) presenting the data about 'fat is bad' era. Just 3 minutes in he hits the reason humans get fat and backs it up with science and research. He helped a lot of things click for me 18 months into the Way Of Eating..0 -
2 1/2 years in and about 130 fat pounds gone. Lower to moderate carb diet works easily. I get my carbs thru fibrous veggies and do the no added sugar or bread/pasta.
It is quite sustainable. I'm just eating naturally occurring food. Like if it used to walk swim or grow. If it had to be butcher shop floor sweepings I don't eat encased meat products. The salt and fillers bit is bad for me.
It is a great way of feeding the machine that the US seems to be embracing, (since that is where I am) and I like it!
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@Buildingit3157 while I know over the last hundred years use of nutritional ketosis is safe without question I still have times of doubt.
Last night I learned there never was any medical evidence that saturated fats were bad for our health but there is research that proves they are good for man's health. I have been at it for only 1.5 years and learn more on MFP every week.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
3 minutes in Dr. Fung (Canada) tells the only reason we can not lose weight then goes on to put to bed for good the false Fats myths with science.
Best of success.
Wow, this is 100% what I needed to watch. I feel more assured. Factual information. Thank you SO much for sharing this with me. So the last doubt of mine might be high protein. Hopefully eating 70-100 g daily is ok long term on organs etc. I'm a happy camper with the fat intake studies though!0 -
I have been strict Keto for 9 months. I have bloodwork done and my dr is very interested. All my #s came back great. my triglycerides, lipids, and cholesterol were great. Even my T3 and T4 were in the good range.
That is SO wonderful. How many g of carbs intake? And how do you feel most days? Weight etc?0 -
Working2BLean wrote: »2 1/2 years in and about 130 fat pounds gone. Lower to moderate carb diet works easily. I get my carbs thru fibrous veggies and do the no added sugar or bread/pasta.
It is quite sustainable. I'm just eating naturally occurring food. Like if it used to walk swim or grow. If it had to be butcher shop floor sweepings I don't eat encased meat products. The salt and fillers bit is bad for me.
It is a great way of feeding the machine that the US seems to be embracing, (since that is where I am) and I like it!
So many Congrats! Keep up the good fight.0 -
SamandaIndia wrote: »The "fat is bad" study that started it all had unscientific method, ie he fudged the results to match his hypothesis.
Took me months to add more n more fat. 5 mths later n my blood work looks great.
I watched that video and yes,I agree with you. I'm in healthcare and it feels like I should be limiting this fat intake, but conversely. Who would have thought..0 -
Working2BLean wrote: »2 1/2 years in and about 130 fat pounds gone. Lower to moderate carb diet works easily. I get my carbs thru fibrous veggies and do the no added sugar or bread/pasta.
It is quite sustainable. I'm just eating naturally occurring food. Like if it used to walk swim or grow. If it had to be butcher shop floor sweepings I don't eat encased meat products. The salt and fillers bit is bad for me.
It is a great way of feeding the machine that the US seems to be embracing, (since that is where I am) and I like it!
Excellent, great job!!
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Buildingit3157 wrote: »Wow, this is 100% what I needed to watch. I feel more assured. Factual information. Thank you SO much for sharing this with me. So the last doubt of mine might be high protein. Hopefully eating 70-100 g daily is ok long term on organs etc. I'm a happy camper with the fat intake studies though!
70-100g isn't exactly high protein. For most bodyweights, that's right around what's recommended if you're not doing bodybuilding. The only time I remember hearing of a lower recommendation (I don't read the starchavore or vegan books, some of them may recommend lower) is for certain diabetics who get kicked out of keto at amounts higher than 20g per meal (Maria Emmerich's Quick & Easy Ketogenic Cooking mentions it).0 -
Buildingit3157 wrote: »Wow, this is 100% what I needed to watch. I feel more assured. Factual information. Thank you SO much for sharing this with me. So the last doubt of mine might be high protein. Hopefully eating 70-100 g daily is ok long term on organs etc. I'm a happy camper with the fat intake studies though!
70-100g isn't exactly high protein. For most bodyweights, that's right around what's recommended if you're not doing bodybuilding. The only time I remember hearing of a lower recommendation (I don't read the starchavore or vegan books, some of them may recommend lower) is for certain diabetics who get kicked out of keto at amounts higher than 20g per meal (Maria Emmerich's Quick & Easy Ketogenic Cooking mentions it).
Interesting, it sure is hard for me to achieve 100 ish grams a day and stay at a good calorie range. Mostly Im full yay!0 -
Buildingit3157 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@Buildingit3157 while I know over the last hundred years use of nutritional ketosis is safe without question I still have times of doubt.
Last night I learned there never was any medical evidence that saturated fats were bad for our health but there is research that proves they are good for man's health. I have been at it for only 1.5 years and learn more on MFP every week.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
3 minutes in Dr. Fung (Canada) tells the only reason we can not lose weight then goes on to put to bed for good the false Fats myths with science.
Best of success.
Wow, this is 100% what I needed to watch. I feel more assured. Factual information. Thank you SO much for sharing this with me. So the last doubt of mine might be high protein. Hopefully eating 70-100 g daily is ok long term on organs etc. I'm a happy camper with the fat intake studies though!
@Buildingit3157 I find I need to keep daily protein in the 70-90 gram range daily to stay in a state of ketosis. Dr. Fung stated the research found no kidney damage in healthy people from the high protein Atkins diet. For most I expect anything under 200 would be fine. It is just about half of protein gets converted to glucose that can be a concern especially of diabetes and people wanting to lose weight.
Since saturated fats do not increase any health issues in my case but carbs do and protein to some extent my 5% carbs, 15% protein and 80% fats macro has fixed me for the past 1.5 years.
The video I think finally got be past 'fat fear' once and for all. I am going to watch parts 1-5 too. I want his book an a in hand reference for the future. Keep up the reading and learning. New facts are coming out all of the time that supports why my WOE is fixing my body.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Buildingit3157 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »@Buildingit3157 while I know over the last hundred years use of nutritional ketosis is safe without question I still have times of doubt.
Last night I learned there never was any medical evidence that saturated fats were bad for our health but there is research that proves they are good for man's health. I have been at it for only 1.5 years and learn more on MFP every week.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
3 minutes in Dr. Fung (Canada) tells the only reason we can not lose weight then goes on to put to bed for good the false Fats myths with science.
Best of success.
Wow, this is 100% what I needed to watch. I feel more assured. Factual information. Thank you SO much for sharing this with me. So the last doubt of mine might be high protein. Hopefully eating 70-100 g daily is ok long term on organs etc. I'm a happy camper with the fat intake studies though!
@Buildingit3157 I find I need to keep daily protein in the 70-90 gram range daily to stay in a state of ketosis. Dr. Fung stated the research found no kidney damage in healthy people from the high protein Atkins diet. For most I expect anything under 200 would be fine. It is just about half of protein gets converted to glucose that can be a concern especially of diabetes and people wanting to lose weight.
Since saturated fats do not increase any health issues in my case but carbs do and protein to some extent my 5% carbs, 15% protein and 80% fats macro has fixed me for the past 1.5 years.
The video I think finally got be past 'fat fear' once and for all. I am going to watch parts 1-5 too. I want his book an a in hand reference for the future. Keep up the reading and learning. New facts are coming out all of the time that supports why my WOE is fixing my body.
It's amazing to think this way. It's just so not in traditional thought is why it seems alien to me. I'm glad there's supporting evidence. . Have you been losing the whole time?? I'm still in the foggy portion of ketosis. Day 4 but can recall in the past it getting better.
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Buildingit3157 wrote: »I have been strict Keto for 9 months. I have bloodwork done and my dr is very interested. All my #s came back great. my triglycerides, lipids, and cholesterol were great. Even my T3 and T4 were in the good range.
That is SO wonderful. How many g of carbs intake? And how do you feel most days? Weight etc?
I feel great. I am "fat adapted" I love to test so I test my ketone levels throughout the day. My ketones are low in the morning (naturally) however within a couple hours they are up and I have no energy problems. I still have weight to lose so I play with how much fat intake I consume. I workout 5 days a week so I get hungry.
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Buildingit3157 wrote: »I have been strict Keto for 9 months. I have bloodwork done and my dr is very interested. All my #s came back great. my triglycerides, lipids, and cholesterol were great. Even my T3 and T4 were in the good range.
That is SO wonderful. How many g of carbs intake? And how do you feel most days? Weight etc?
I feel great. I am "fat adapted" I love to test so I test my ketone levels throughout the day. My ketones are low in the morning (naturally) however within a couple hours they are up and I have no energy problems. I still have weight to lose so I play with how much fat intake I consume. I workout 5 days a week so I get hungry.
Oh I didn't know you could test your ketones, neat!. As long as you are under your calorie range with fat intake you will still lose correct?0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Does anyone know of anyone who has maintained a LCHF lifestyle for many years, like 10 or more?
Jacqueline A. Eberstein, R.N., worked for nearly 30 years in Dr. Atkins' practice beginning in 1974. Her grateful testimonial is included in Chapter 20 of Phinney & Volek's "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living." Here's an excerpt:After seeing the lab results, I immediately began the Induction phase of his diet and soon felt better, just as his patients did. As long as I ate correctly and didn't skip meals I rarely experienced my prior symptoms. That remains true to this day. This was my first lesson in the power of practical nutrition (albeit outside of mainstream medical opinion). I am convinced that if I hadn't followed Dr. Atkins advice I would have had type 2 diabetes long ago. I can thank him for many things but most especially for that.0 -
So I do both ketonix and blood ketone. The ketonix registers the acetone and the blood will register the bhb. I am trying to see a correlation, but the ketonix will always register low 40s for me whereas blood ketones (depending on the time of day) will register .5 to 1.10 -
So I do both ketonix and blood ketone. The ketonix registers the acetone and the blood will register the bhb. I am trying to see a correlation, but the ketonix will always register low 40s for me whereas blood ketones (depending on the time of day) will register .5 to 1.1
Thanks. Any particular tips for reliable yet cost-effective testing habits?0 -
Buildingit3157 wrote: »Buildingit3157 wrote: »I have been strict Keto for 9 months. I have bloodwork done and my dr is very interested. All my #s came back great. my triglycerides, lipids, and cholesterol were great. Even my T3 and T4 were in the good range.
That is SO wonderful. How many g of carbs intake? And how do you feel most days? Weight etc?
I feel great. I am "fat adapted" I love to test so I test my ketone levels throughout the day. My ketones are low in the morning (naturally) however within a couple hours they are up and I have no energy problems. I still have weight to lose so I play with how much fat intake I consume. I workout 5 days a week so I get hungry.
Oh I didn't know you could test your ketones, neat!. As long as you are under your calorie range with fat intake you will still lose correct?
The cheapest way to test ketones is Ketostix which tests for ketones in the urine. It isn't as accurate as the breath or blood tests.
They can be purchased at a pharmacy.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Does anyone know of anyone who has maintained a LCHF lifestyle for many years, like 10 or more?
Christine Cronau, I believe - http://christinecronau.com/christines-story/
Kelly Hogan (and her kids) - http://myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/start/
Owsley "The Bear" Stanley
Peter Attia (not quite 10 years yet, but over 5) - http://eatingacademy.com/how-i-lost-weight0 -
So I do both ketonix and blood ketone. The ketonix registers the acetone and the blood will register the bhb. I am trying to see a correlation, but the ketonix will always register low 40s for me whereas blood ketones (depending on the time of day) will register .5 to 1.1
Thanks. Any particular tips for reliable yet cost-effective testing habits?
well its up to you on why you are testing. As long as you are under ~20 carbs per day for a total of 3-5 days you will be in ketosis. I check for trends to give to my dr.
if you are into testing then ketonix is the cheapest in the long run $120 or so to get in it then you never have to pay for anything else. Some have suggested pee strips. the problem with pee strips is they will often provide a false negative. it only reads 1 type of ketone and its the one you produce the smallest amount of. and the most accurate is the blood test. The meter is cheap/free but you have to search for the strips. I have found a place online in Australia that will sell them roughly $.50 a strip.
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Dragonwolf wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Does anyone know of anyone who has maintained a LCHF lifestyle for many years, like 10 or more?
Christine Cronau, I believe - http://christinecronau.com/christines-story/
Kelly Hogan (and her kids) - http://myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/start/
Owsley "The Bear" Stanley
Peter Attia (not quite 10 years yet, but over 5) - http://eatingacademy.com/how-i-lost-weight
Interesting! Still reading thanks0 -
As a healthcare professional, it was hard for me to accept fat, but I did know that low fat wasn't doing anyone any favors. Cholesterol Clarity is a very good read, as well as Grain Brain. I leaped in blind faith a year ago, after the knowledge I gained from the people here (just as you're doing)! Good luck! I'm very happy that I don't administer daily medications in my position! I would feel a true conflict of interest at this point!0
