Be careful with food selections on low carb/keto
Buildingit3157
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I am home recooperating from a 230am ER visit. Kidney stones and infection. Ouch! Ive never had a history with anything like this organ related. No medicines that induce it, no family history of it etc. I was averaging about 50 carbs a day, eating very healthy, loads of water, supplementing vits, himalayan salt etc. Good oils and following our WOE.
I'm taking a big step back as I'm looking at my future. I want my Kidneys to be happy. I will definitely be monitoring those carbs still as I am def carb sensitive but this was an eye opener and it, without a doubt, is due to high levels of uric acid, calcium, and ox-something which is found in nuts, spinach etc ::sigh:: Im going to eat healthy and modify. I think I was following this woe for approx 6 weeks.
I just wanted to put this out there.
Something to think about. Be well! I can't wait until I am again. Antibiotics and pain meds and movies for me today.
xx
I'm taking a big step back as I'm looking at my future. I want my Kidneys to be happy. I will definitely be monitoring those carbs still as I am def carb sensitive but this was an eye opener and it, without a doubt, is due to high levels of uric acid, calcium, and ox-something which is found in nuts, spinach etc ::sigh:: Im going to eat healthy and modify. I think I was following this woe for approx 6 weeks.
I just wanted to put this out there.
Something to think about. Be well! I can't wait until I am again. Antibiotics and pain meds and movies for me today.
xx
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Ouch! Allow me to commiserate with you:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239560/kidney-stones/p10 -
Sorry to hear that happened to you. Get well soon!1
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Ouch! Allow me to commiserate with you:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239560/kidney-stones/p1
Oh my God! I'm still passing them. I don't want blockage! Noo...you know how scary this is.0 -
Blockage is pretty rare (lucky me). And it's even more rare in women. You'll do fine.
Increase water intake. Consider supplementing with Mg-K-Citrate. Take it easy on the high-oxalate foods, and maybe the high-purine meats.1 -
Get better soon.
BTW: I had mine way before LCHF.
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UGH...my sympathies. I have a dear friend who is T1D. She also follows this WOE but is further restricted by having to follow a low-oxalate diet. Here is a website I found that I shared with my friend:
http://www.lowoxalate.info/
Hope the info there is helpful to you as well and get better soon!1 -
UGH...my sympathies. I have a dear friend who is T1D. She also follows this WOE but is further restricted by having to follow a low-oxalate diet. Here is a website I found that I shared with my friend:
http://www.lowoxalate.info/
Hope the info there is helpful to you as well and get better soon!
Thank you
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Did they do microscopy on your stone? Might be useful to know whether composition wise was a result from urate, oxalate, or calcium...diet wise what to avoid. Likely a combo, but might have a major component in one of these chemicals.
Citrate and/or bicarbonate salts won't affect ketosis...don't confuse ketosis with metabolic acidosis (deadly, pH < 7.20, HCO3- < 22 mmol/L (or mEQs, same units for montvale to)2 -
Buildingit3157 wrote: »I am home recooperating from a 230am ER visit. Kidney stones and infection. Ouch! Ive never had a history with anything like this organ related. No medicines that induce it, no family history of it etc. I was averaging about 50 carbs a day, eating very healthy, loads of water, supplementing vits, himalayan salt etc. Good oils and following our WOE.
I'm taking a big step back as I'm looking at my future. I want my Kidneys to be happy. I will definitely be monitoring those carbs still as I am def carb sensitive but this was an eye opener and it, without a doubt, is due to high levels of uric acid, calcium, and ox-something which is found in nuts, spinach etc ::sigh:: Im going to eat healthy and modify. I think I was following this woe for approx 6 weeks.
I just wanted to put this out there.
Something to think about. Be well! I can't wait until I am again. Antibiotics and pain meds and movies for me today.
xx
Thanks for posting. I hope you feel better soon! Wow, I eat several of the foods on the list daily. Even chocolate is on the list, and I do cocoa/cacao pretty regularly. Looks like I'll be cutting back on a few of my foods. Again thank you for posting.
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Oxalates become a problem when a person is missing population of Oxalobacter formigenes in the gut microbiome. This often happens when someone has had it wiped out by too many rounds of antibiotics. And apparently when they are decimated they are gone. OxThera is developing a probiotic treatment that has actual O. formigenes but it looks pharmaceutical right now (just a quick search, mind you), and I've heard that Lactobacillus plantaris, Bifidus lactis, and Bifidus infantis will eat oxalates as well, though they aren't as efficient. You can find them alone or in probiotic blends (I take one) which may help you out. And also eating fermented foods like (real, non-pasteurized) sauerkraut, natto, kimchi, kefir, and etc could help with that. This is an issue of the gut microbiome being damaged. Look into pairing any probiotics with a little bit of prebiotic foods to help the strains in the probiotic to take hold.
So in addition to reducing oxalates temporarily, you might want to try doctoring your gut bugs.
I've been researching this a little as I just finished a 3 week round of antibiotics. So far, I'm doing great. I eat chocolate, spinach, and other high oxalate foods and am doing fine. I took pro and pre biotics all along, including home-grown sauerkraut, and I've had zero trouble with my gut that I know of.
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baconslave wrote: »Oxalates become a problem when a person is missing population of Oxalobacter formigenes in the gut microbiome. This often happens when someone has had it wiped out by too many rounds of antibiotics. And apparently when they are decimated they are gone. OxThera is developing a probiotic treatment that has actual O. formigenes but it looks pharmaceutical right now (just a quick search, mind you), and I've heard that Lactobacillus plantaris, Bifidus lactis, and Bifidus infantis will eat oxalates as well, though they aren't as efficient. You can find them alone or in probiotic blends (I take one) which may help you out. And also eating fermented foods like (real, non-pasteurized) sauerkraut, natto, kimchi, kefir, and etc could help with that. This is an issue of the gut microbiome being damaged. Look into pairing any probiotics with a little bit of prebiotic foods to help the strains in the probiotic to take hold.
So in addition to reducing oxalates temporarily, you might want to try doctoring your gut bugs.
I've been researching this a little as I just finished a 3 week round of antibiotics. So far, I'm doing great. I eat chocolate, spinach, and other high oxalate foods and am doing fine. I took pro and pre biotics all along, including home-grown sauerkraut, and I've had zero trouble with my gut that I know of.
HTH.
Thanks for the info but I'm a huge probiotic person. I have yogurt, saurkraut , olives, pickles kifir etc multiple times per week. That's why I probably never get sick... Until now. I've had probably 2 rounds of antibiotics in 4ish years. I don't take many supplements, maybe MG, fish oil, b complex, d3 but not each and every day either. Im baffled by this, being a woman and having no family history of kidney stones, and I'm not obese either. I probably have 25 lbs until my ideal weight. Personally im just modifying to low carb instead of keto. I love my spinach and asparagus and nuts! .... I guess I just need more allowance on carbs to make different and varied choices however. I hope this message will just make people consider food choices and variety! 1 -
Did you get your 24-hour urinalysis yet? If not, request it after you pass the stone(s). It'll give you lots of insight into how it was made.1
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baconslave wrote: »Oxalates become a problem when a person is missing population of Oxalobacter formigenes in the gut microbiome. This often happens when someone has had it wiped out by too many rounds of antibiotics. And apparently when they are decimated they are gone. OxThera is developing a probiotic treatment that has actual O. formigenes but it looks pharmaceutical right now (just a quick search, mind you), and I've heard that Lactobacillus plantaris, Bifidus lactis, and Bifidus infantis will eat oxalates as well, though they aren't as efficient. You can find them alone or in probiotic blends (I take one) which may help you out. And also eating fermented foods like (real, non-pasteurized) sauerkraut, natto, kimchi, kefir, and etc could help with that. This is an issue of the gut microbiome being damaged. Look into pairing any probiotics with a little bit of prebiotic foods to help the strains in the probiotic to take hold.
So in addition to reducing oxalates temporarily, you might want to try doctoring your gut bugs.
I've been researching this a little as I just finished a 3 week round of antibiotics. So far, I'm doing great. I eat chocolate, spinach, and other high oxalate foods and am doing fine. I took pro and pre biotics all along, including home-grown sauerkraut, and I've had zero trouble with my gut that I know of.
HTH.
Thanks for this, a bit of a reminder for me0 -
C&P from above info website, but worth highlighting:
"Eating foods high in oxalate is not the only way for oxalate to get high in cells and blood. Our bodies make oxalate on their own, especially when certain enzymes aren't balanced in their activity because of genetic differences or because someone has deficiencies in enzyme cofactors like vitamin B6, magnesium or thiamine. Oxalate also can be generated in the body when someone is getting high doses of vitamin C or consuming high levels of fructose."
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@Buildingit3157 thanks for tip. I have been eating lots of those foods. I am now trying to work through how to eat v low carb and low histamine and get variety. Might need to relax the v low to just low to get those 3 objectives to overlap! Thought provoking. Thanks again.1
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Wishing you a speedy recovery!1
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I had loads of kidney / bladder issues for the first few months. Doc had me on antibiotics for a year... Been off them all for a few months now, fixing my body with LCHF living, homemade kombucha and homemade kefir. Took some work to make these things fit with keto, but all good now.2
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I lost a lot of weight unhealthily about 10 years ago (not even close to low carb either). As soon as I started eating somewhat normal again I got gallstones and ended up in the ER and then gall bladder out. THey were not surpised at all - losing weight fast or lots of it leads to this a lot. So little to do with WOE or LCHF I dont think.
So deal with it, but don't change a WOE that is working for you in every other way!2 -
Toxins are stored in body fat, we all know this. So these toxins need to go somewhere when that body fat is burnt. The body has no option but to expel the toxins in whichever way possible and the majority of them are bound to go through the body's internal waste system - kidneys / bladder / etc. No surprise that this puts extra strain on the body, but it does get easier as there are less toxins to lose.1
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just started lc a few days ago. Working against sugar addictions from lifelong. So glad to read these posts for the info. something to always be aware of. Speedy recovery to buildingit3157!1
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I'm so sorry! I highly recommend a shot of the braggs apple cider vinegar every single day!2
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I was hospitalized a couple of months ago due to kidney infection and sepsis. I wasn't sure if I could attribute it to keto but I was and have been extremely reluctant to this WOE again. However after a lot of thought I decided I'm willing to try it again after a few tweaks. I hope you're doing better. I realized that this way of eating requires a lot of conscious effort on my part. Moreso than my previous way of eating. But the benefits I reaped from eating keto are undeniable. Hoping I can be more focused this time.2
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I have had kidney stones three times, once when pregnant and never when eating low-carb. Some people are prone to them, my doctor fully supports my way of life, but I am not really "keto", more low carb with a focus on veggies, protein and healthy fats.1
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noclady1995 wrote: »I was hospitalized a couple of months ago due to kidney infection and sepsis. I wasn't sure if I could attribute it to keto but I was and have been extremely reluctant to this WOE again. However after a lot of thought I decided I'm willing to try it again after a few tweaks. I hope you're doing better. I realized that this way of eating requires a lot of conscious effort on my part. Moreso than my previous way of eating. But the benefits I reaped from eating keto are undeniable. Hoping I can be more focused this time.
I think this WOE could be successful long term but you must tweak ever so carefully! I'm not sure I'm ready to just hope for the best when it comes to my kidneys. I've never had any major health problems aside from having a little weight to lose. I don't want to open the door to something that might go critical. Going to try losing the weight with healthy choices still, more or a variety of foods and 100 ish carbs daily. BEST of health and luck to everyone.0 -
Buildingit3157 wrote: »Going to try losing the weight with healthy choices still, more or a variety of foods and 100 ish carbs daily.
FWIW, I was around 100g/d carbs when I had my stone. But I was running daily, which lead to both ketosis and short-term dehydration. Stones are much more common during the warmer months when dehydration is more likely.
But you mentioned a kidney infection. That can be the result of a bladder infection, and the stones can be a consequence of the kidney infection.
It's hard to take any corrective action until you know the composition of your stones and get the urinalysis.0
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