Phase 2: The Keto Bulk

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  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
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    Let's make it a drinking game! Hahahah
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
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    We might actually hurt people in this group with that, given how low some of our alcohol tolerances likely are. I'd be the first man down. Haha.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
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    Yeah...I realized after the fact that it would be a bad idea!

    Fat bombs then instead of jäger bombs!
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    There's an idea I can get behind. I think I still have a few of my bacon wrapped jalapeno poppers kicking around.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    Funny but serious article that is relevant (if Gallowmere's post above isn't enough): http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/man-who-ate-trained-like-7614915

    Even though the subject of the article at way too many carbs and for more protein than he needed for his 207 pound body, his physical condition improved dramatically.

    Have you seen Feltham's self experimentation? He ate 5000kcal per day. First he did it low carb, then he did it higher carb. Quite different results!
    http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/
    http://live.smashthefat.com/5000-calorie-carb-challenge-day-21/
  • KetoneKaren
    KetoneKaren Posts: 6,411 Member
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    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Funny but serious article that is relevant (if Gallowmere's post above isn't enough): http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/man-who-ate-trained-like-7614915

    Even though the subject of the article at way too many carbs and for more protein than he needed for his 207 pound body, his physical condition improved dramatically.

    Have you seen Feltham's self experimentation? He ate 5000kcal per day. First he did it low carb, then he did it higher carb. Quite different results!
    http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/
    http://live.smashthefat.com/5000-calorie-carb-challenge-day-21/

    Those experiments are fascinating, thanks for posting the links.
  • Majcolorado
    Majcolorado Posts: 138 Member
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    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Funny but serious article that is relevant (if Gallowmere's post above isn't enough): http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/man-who-ate-trained-like-7614915

    Even though the subject of the article at way too many carbs and for more protein than he needed for his 207 pound body, his physical condition improved dramatically.

    Have you seen Feltham's self experimentation? He ate 5000kcal per day. First he did it low carb, then he did it higher carb. Quite different results!
    http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/
    http://live.smashthefat.com/5000-calorie-carb-challenge-day-21/

    I had not seen those, thanks so much for sharing!
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Funny but serious article that is relevant (if Gallowmere's post above isn't enough): http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/man-who-ate-trained-like-7614915

    Even though the subject of the article at way too many carbs and for more protein than he needed for his 207 pound body, his physical condition improved dramatically.

    Have you seen Feltham's self experimentation? He ate 5000kcal per day. First he did it low carb, then he did it higher carb. Quite different results!
    http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/
    http://live.smashthefat.com/5000-calorie-carb-challenge-day-21/

    I had not seen those, thanks so much for sharing!

    There's also one for him doing a Vegan diet for 21 days, but really, I don't feel that he gives enough detail to be able to glean much of anything from it. For all we know, he ate naught but quinoa and Tofu.
    http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-got-a-bit-fat/
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    Well, this WAS going to be a rest day, but *kitten* that noise. Sitting still is how I got fat and weak to begin with.

    Day 8: 8/15/16

    Ab Wheel: 1x6/7x5
    Leg Lifts: 15/15/12/10
    Air Bike: 30/15/15
    Lunges: 30/24/30/30/40
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    When your work schedule lays a screwing on you, you can't sleep, and your options are either:
    A- try in vain to rest and miss your morning lift or
    B- dose up, skip sleep, and head for the gym
    Well, I'm sure we all know the correct answer. It's now 3:15 AM, and I've been awake for 24 hours now. This session was understandably *kitten*, even if better than the last one.

    Day 9: 8/16/16

    Bench Press: 75x5/105x5/115x3/125x1x4/105x5/105x3/95x5/
    *kitten*. pullups: 40x7/55x6/70x6/85x12(WG)/85x10(WG)
    Iso-incline Burnout: 50x10/100x4/70x5x2/70x4
    Tri. PD: 50x5x2/50x4
  • kirkor
    kirkor Posts: 2,530 Member
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    Dang man, well that will be a good personal reference to use later when thinking about the level of dedication you're capable of. What is your version of "dose up"? :)
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    kirkor wrote: »
    Dang man, well that will be a good personal reference to use later when thinking about the level of dedication you're capable of. What is your version of "dose up"? :)

    Shoving double the recommended dosage of ON's Platinum PWO down my gullet before heading out, and then another slightly diluted shot for consumption in the gym. Unfortunately, it will probably be a couple of weeks before my order of proper stims arrive. I'll ease into those more slowly, likely not peaking with them until about six months in, and then cycling off for a few weeks. The exception will be the ones with DMAA in them as, in my experience if you use it more than a couple of times per week, it starts to lose it's kick pretty quickly. Those doses generally get saved for heavy squat and deadlift days.
  • kirkor
    kirkor Posts: 2,530 Member
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    I tried making my own PWO for the first time, went with:
    ALCAR 1g
    Beta Alanine 2g
    AAKG 4g
    Cit Mal 6g

    and then depending on the time of day I'll add caffeine. I'm not sure how to evaluate whether it's working or not, but the $/serving is low enough that I figure it can't hurt.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    kirkor wrote: »
    I tried making my own PWO for the first time, went with:
    ALCAR 1g
    Beta Alanine 2g
    AAKG 4g
    Cit Mal 6g

    and then depending on the time of day I'll add caffeine. I'm not sure how to evaluate whether it's working or not, but the $/serving is low enough that I figure it can't hurt.

    With everything you listed here, the only real way to tell, is going to be gauging by feel. Your numbers looks sufficient to invoke response, without incurring the nasty side-effects of overdose (diarrhea for ALCAR, pins and needles tingling from BA). The other two don't have any notable side-effects that I have ever seen mentioned much, and their effects will be very difficult to quantify any other way anyway. Given that the whole point of Cit Mal is to prevent muscular weakness, it can be hard to tell in the short term if it's having a notable effect, or if you're just having a few really good "on" days. AAKG, there will likely be no real way to gauge outside of a lab, as it's function is more reparation, and prevention of breakdown.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    Since I am too lazy to list and quantify all of the ingredients in my initial stack, I found images of all of the supp fact labels, and will just post those.

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    On heavy deadlift and squat days, the first image will be replaced with this one:
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  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
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    Day 10: 8/17/16

    Back squat: 95x5/115x5/135x5/135x5x2/135x4
    Hack Squat: 135x5/155x5/185x4/225x3x3
    Leg Ext: 80x5/90x6/100x5/110x5/110x4
    Hamstring Curl: 80x5/90x5/100x5/110x4/120x6/130x7/140x6/150x6
    Standing Calf Raise: 205x10/225x10/245x9/265x8
    Seated Calf Raise: 90x10/135x7/180x5

    Back squat is still *kitten*, but I'm now seeing that it's not that the strength is gone. My hip flexors are just completely *kitten* from the last three years of sitting in a truck, computer chair, and lab. Gotta work on breaking those loose while continuing to ride the noob gain wave.

    ETA: my keto acetone smell is about close to making me puke when squatting and deadlifting. I feel bad for the poor people having to be near me in the gym.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
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    Tight hip flexors are the worst! I have the same issue, it prevents me from going past parallel for heavy squats so I have been using a lighter weight to work on my depth. Goblet squats and pausing at the bottom for a few seconds have been helping me open my hip flexors a bit more.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    Tight hip flexors are the worst! I have the same issue, it prevents me from going past parallel for heavy squats so I have been using a lighter weight to work on my depth. Goblet squats and pausing at the bottom for a few seconds have been helping me open my hip flexors a bit more.

    That's what I've been having to do. One other thing that hurts like hell, but has been helping is loading the hell out of the super squat and letting it force me down. Only thing is you have to be careful to not let it push you past the last lockout point, or you end up trapped and looking all kinds of retarded. Ask me how I know. Haha.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
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    Tight hip flexors are the worst! I have the same issue, it prevents me from going past parallel for heavy squats so I have been using a lighter weight to work on my depth. Goblet squats and pausing at the bottom for a few seconds have been helping me open my hip flexors a bit more.

    That's what I've been having to do. One other thing that hurts like hell, but has been helping is loading the hell out of the super squat and letting it force me down. Only thing is you have to be careful to not let it push you past the last lockout point, or you end up trapped and looking all kinds of retarded. Ask me how I know. Haha.

    That's my biggest fear!!! And the safety bar is down super low for me because my rack is much shorter than others (5'3") so I would be laying on the floor lmao
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    Another thing that can help without risking trapping as much is Zercher squats. Since you're holding the bar in the crooks of your elbows, you can always jump dump the bar forward off of you if something goes wonky.