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  • empressichel
    empressichel Posts: 730 Member
    @saranharm Love that idea. You are a valuable part of the household, regardless of who earns the money. Imagine if you were actually paid for all the things you do; childcare, teaching, cooking, laundry, running the household etc. No guilt should be felt at all. Time to value yourself as I am sure your family values you.
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  • brileylmt
    brileylmt Posts: 199 Member
    I read an article that in 1988 the monetary value of a housewife was quite high. You need to calculate in such jobs as: cook, house cleaning, laundry, dietitian, child psychology, shopping needs, ect. The figure they came up with is just over $48,000 a year. It has probably doubled by now. So I think any one who has a career taking care of the home and family should not feel guilty for taking some mental therapy time/needs.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    saranharm wrote: »
    heybales wrote: »
    On the squats, notice as you get heavier you slightly lean forward coming out of the bottom.
    Upper body is leaning a tad more over, making the bar path appear to move in front of middle of foot.
    Just make sure to keep the upper body as upright on heavier as on lighter lifts - may have a cue of getting chest out.
    May also see if you notice slight weight shift to ball of foot to tell you if it's happening.
    But great form over all, and nice progression.

    On the deads, they are fast, are you taking a breath at the top?
    If not, no problem, great anaerobic system - I see you increasing that weight pretty fast.
    If the neck has any problems of being tense, might look at feet in mirror at start while bent over, so neck is part of spine straight line, then again as you lower.
    Great sumo form though.

    As far as my deads, I'm not even sure. I think i breathe out at the top. Before i start i try to breathe deep and brace for the way up- more so as the lifts get heavier. I tend to get slower as the weight increases. I really hate doing more than 4 reps at a time. We don't have any chalk at my gym and it tears my hands up bad. Even with 4 reps, if I'm over 230# or so, my hands feel like they are on fire.

    On breathing - don't lose your locked in core by taking a breath when under load at the top of dead. Pause more between reps if needed to take a breath or two in order to make it.

    On hands - many try to start bar in palm, but if you look at how gravity is going to work on that bar - it'll never remain there, so you might as well start where it's going to end - which is second joint in fingers.
    So usually that knuckle starts with pointing straight down, with wrist flat of course. Grip may need to catch up.
    But that's why you may hear of ones doing farmers walks or pinch plate walks on either dead's day or far from it, since those muscles will need recovery too.
  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    I'm never sure how much time can pass between reps to still be considered a set. What's the difference between 2 with a rest and 2 sets of singles? Just pondering. I lift because I enjoy. I will consider a powerlifting meet at some point, but its a little tough with logistics. So, no need to get too fancy. :)

    I would be surprised to get a new PR this go around. Hopefully last week was my only off week and I can feel stronger this week. But some of it may just be the fact that I can't always see the kind of growth that I saw during the first part of the year. My new years goal was to deadlift over 200#, I beat that in march. Then I increased this summer to 250#. Sweet, already halfway to my next goal. But it will most likely take me longer than 6 months. It just has to slow down at some point. And I need to deal with that. Probably need some new intermittent goals. Especially in areas I tend to avoid.

    Plus, I am in a 10% deficit. My strength phase next time will line up with a tdee break.
  • empressichel
    empressichel Posts: 730 Member
    Good planning on the next strength phase! Strength loves food!
    I've been pretty lucky while on a cut this summer and haven't seen any loss in strength. I do only eat a slight deficit though, about 100-200 calories a day.
    Can't wait to hear about your first powerlifting meet when you do it!
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  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    @empressichel by only cutting 100-200 calories its so much easier to stay in a cut. And not go back to tdee or more because you feel deprived.

    After all that talk I was able to get some PRS today :)

    Squat 4 @ 185#. Getting close to that 200# goal!

    Deadlift 4 @ 250#. Last time I tried I could only get it up once. The downside was after every set I had to go to the bathroom to rezip my bra. Need a new sportsbra. One without a zipper. Lol.
  • empressichel
    empressichel Posts: 730 Member
    You've got those PR's scared! This is so awesome! Fantastic numbers!
    Someone told me that about a zipped sports bra before so I've steered well clear!
    More shopping to be done!
    Ichel
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  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    @empressichel it never used to be this bad. But the last two weeks its constant. I'm not sure if something has gotten bigger? Bust? Back? Shoulders? Did it stretch? Why???? Yes, I need a new one! I will still use the one I have because its fine except when deadlifting or doing barbell rows!
  • empressichel
    empressichel Posts: 730 Member
    Lol!
    I'd be happy for a bigger shoulders and back, don't need any extra in the bust department!
    Your bust can change shape from the lifting, well more the supporting muscles and ligaments change.
    It's like a free boob job!
    Another thing to thank lifting for!
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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    edited September 2016
    saranharm wrote: »
    I'm never sure how much time can pass between reps to still be considered a set. What's the difference between 2 with a rest and 2 sets of singles? Just pondering. I lift because I enjoy. I will consider a powerlifting meet at some point, but its a little tough with logistics. So, no need to get too fancy. :)

    I would be surprised to get a new PR this go around. Hopefully last week was my only off week and I can feel stronger this week. But some of it may just be the fact that I can't always see the kind of growth that I saw during the first part of the year. My new years goal was to deadlift over 200#, I beat that in march. Then I increased this summer to 250#. Sweet, already halfway to my next goal. But it will most likely take me longer than 6 months. It just has to slow down at some point. And I need to deal with that. Probably need some new intermittent goals. Especially in areas I tend to avoid.

    Plus, I am in a 10% deficit. My strength phase next time will line up with a tdee break.

    2-5 sec pause for breathing still makes it a set, even resetting the hands perhaps is still short enough.

    A set rest for heavy lifting is 2-4 min, longer side of range for leg muscles, and that's actual resting. Some throw some cardio in there or other lifts - in which case the main lift is being hampered in performance.

    Continuing progression will indeed slow down.
    Initial big increases were huge part form improvements, and complete muscle usage (CNS - Central Nervous System).
    After that is completed, advancement will slow as new muscle growth is required, and things that weren't as important as a beginner now are a bigger deal to keep seeing improvement.

    Which means great job still seeing increases. Doing it right!
  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    I still moved pretty quickly on my deads yesterday @heybales I think I was afraid if I paused I'd never get another rep in. :D
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Well, there is indeed the "arggghhhh" factor to just get it done and fast.

    That's why it's anaerobic, doesn't absolutely require oxygen for the muscles - though the brain does.

    Just wanted to make sure you didn't lose your core lock breathing at the top.
  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    I will work on that. I think I do brace again. I don't wear a belt, not sure if I should or not.
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    Week 2.
    Hello Team working on TDEE 1900 (although my fitbit alone gives me a much lower TDEE)
    I just wanted to give you some figures for my SECOND week to see if I'm on the right track and what my intentions are for the THIRD week which starts today.
    Started at 178lbs. After week 2ND week 177lbs (ALTHOUGH IT DID GO UP 1LB THEN CAME DOWN 2 making me 1lb less)
    Cal. 1250 per day. SECOND week had Average1288 cal per day
    Man. and fitbit burn. Average 2090 (Fitbit only without me adding 1622).
    Carbs 40%-41% protein.28%. – 30% fat 27%-30% after SECOND week.( AVERAGES)

    I am also using resistance bands for 10 minutes a day ( I don't have weights and also have a back problem). I do cardio each day too. Decreased cardio from 30 minutes on static bike to 15 minutes on static bike. Have increased the strength of the resistance band yesterday.

    Starting today week 3. aim for 1350 calories per day.

    Please can you advise if this seems ok or that I am not getting it right.

    Looking forward to hearing your views and thanks for your help

    Thank you Carol

  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    You are doing just fine @dejavuohlala bump up those calories. Good job on the protein.
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    Thank you Saranharm
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Good job getting on up there.

    Especially after a good workout day, at least for next 24 hrs - don't be afraid to eat even more - body will know exactly what to do with it for recovery!

    I know you are increasing slowly, but if that gives you 2-3 days weekly where you can go even higher to reach that 2K goal, might as well go for it.

    You might make sure the cardio supports the reset right now. Try to go slow enough you could sing poorly while doing it - meaning you have enough air left to do so.
    Normally a good aerobic level would be said light conversation talking only - but for this attempting to get up to reset level, that's probably higher than needed.
    Until you are used to eating more anyway.
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    @haybales may give the singing a miss don't want to scare the neighbours!!!!!! Interesting didn't realise all these intricacies to a reset?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Well, not necessarily intricacies, as it's just not a reset until you are eating at maintenance - and considering you aren't there yet, you aren't resetting yet.

    So doing calmer cardio means you burn less and TDEE is less - meaning you can reach it faster/easier.
    May also mean less stress to body to make it easier to recover from what you do that can provide the most bang for your time/effort.

    And yeah - you don't try to sing while doing it - that's just a gauge to the right pace - you are only requiring enough oxygen for the workout that you have enough to sing, as opposed to next level up only able to have brief conversation, compared to next level up only gasped words, and next level no speaking.

    Some might do less cardio, but then make it so intense that's it's actually more stressful. Wrong direction right now.
    Later - sure, good valid workout.
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    Well, not necessarily intricacies, as it's just not a reset until you are eating at maintenance - and considering you aren't there yet, you aren't resetting yet.

    So doing calmer cardio means you burn less and TDEE is less - meaning you can reach it faster/easier.
    May also mean less stress to body to make it easier to recover from what you do that can provide the most bang for your time/effort.

    And yeah - you don't try to sing while doing it - that's just a gauge to the right pace - you are only requiring enough oxygen for the workout that you have enough to sing, as opposed to next level up only able to have brief conversation, compared to next level up only gasped words, and next level no speaking.

    Some might do less cardio, but then make it so intense that's it's actually more stressful. Wrong direction right now.
    Later - sure, good valid workout.

    Thank you @ haybales
  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    I failed my deadlift today. Could not pull 260# and that's OK. A setback isn't a "no," it's a "not right now."

    The weight in the bar may not always go up. The weight in the scale (or inches in the measuring tape) may not always go down. But my biggest thing I need to focus on is moving forward. Continuing what I know I need to do. Continuing what I know will work in the long run. I cannot let these numbers side track me. Slow & steady and without comparison!

    I did get a squat pr- 190#.
  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    My husband said my butt was getting even bigger, and that I was like a man working on his biceps. (The biggest focus). Lol. It was all a compliment! :D
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    My husband said my butt was getting even bigger, and that I was like a man working on his biceps. (The biggest focus). Lol. It was all a compliment! :D

    Don't they have a lovely way with words!!
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    Can I just ask something. Every day for the past almost two weeks my fitbit registered 1621 everyday for calories burned(this is without any burn I have added in) I'm amazed that it is the same number each day. Does this mean this is my TDEE and isn't that very low???? confused.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    @dejavuohlala - Are you sure the Fitbit is working correctly - are steps showing up?
    Do you have a Fitbit you can view the stats on to confirm?

    Because that sounds like BMR level they use if no steps are seen.

    @jerilynconn - be aware that for squats and deads - weight on the body and weight on the bar are mutually inclusive.

    That's why some people that say they get stronger in a diet aren't.
    "I lost 20 lbs and increased my squat by 15 lbs during same time."

    Well - bad news - that's a loss of 5 lbs of strength actually. Should have been 20lb increase to maintain strength.
  • jerilynconn
    jerilynconn Posts: 524 Member
    @heybales

    I am not sure that makes sense to me. If it was fat they lost...?

    I haven't lost any weight, but I have increased my squat by 35 pounds since April. I've increased my deadlifts by 25 Pounds since March. I know I increased more than that since last year but I can't find my records.

    What I was talking about above was more not being controlled by those numbers, scale or on the bar.
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    @dejavuohlala - Are you sure the Fitbit is working correctly - are steps showing up?
    Do you have a Fitbit you can view the stats on to confirm?

    Because that sounds like BMR level they use if no steps are seen.

    @jerilynconn - be aware that for squats and deads - weight on the body and weight on the bar are mutually inclusive.

    That's why some people that say they get stronger in a diet aren't.
    "I lost 20 lbs and increased my squat by 15 lbs during same time."

    Well - bad news - that's a loss of 5 lbs of strength actually. Should have been 20lb increase to maintain strength.

    @haybayles yes steps are showing up and the figures are the same on the dashboard ?????? Is this a very low TDEE? Why could that be??
  • dejavuohlala
    dejavuohlala Posts: 1,786 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    @dejavuohlala - Are you sure the Fitbit is working correctly - are steps showing up?
    Do you have a Fitbit you can view the stats on to confirm?

    Because that sounds like BMR level they use if no steps are seen.

    @jerilynconn - be aware that for squats and deads - weight on the body and weight on the bar are mutually inclusive.

    That's why some people that say they get stronger in a diet aren't.
    "I lost 20 lbs and increased my squat by 15 lbs during same time."

    Well - bad news - that's a loss of 5 lbs of strength actually. Should have been 20lb increase to maintain strength.

    @haybayles yes steps are showing up and the figures are the same on the dashboard ?????? Is this a very low TDEE? Why could that be??

    Some more info @ haybales I'm worried I may not have settings correct on MFP, my goals are set at lose 1lb per week and ' not very active' for my activity level, my Fitbit is synced to MFP so is this why my TDEE is so low????? On the Fitbit ??
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    @heybales

    I am not sure that makes sense to me. If it was fat they lost...?

    I haven't lost any weight, but I have increased my squat by 35 pounds since April. I've increased my deadlifts by 25 Pounds since March. I know I increased more than that since last year but I can't find my records.

    What I was talking about above was more not being controlled by those numbers, scale or on the bar.

    I was just echoing your performance increases on the bar, which is true strength increase.

    I merely included other comments because I've seen them claimed so many times. And something to be learned and watched out for.

    If someone lost 20 lbs of fat on their body, and they do deads and squats, then they are lifting 20 lbs less of themselves (except for weight lost on calves of course).
    So their muscles had that ability to lift 20 lbs more.

    So if the weight on the bar during that same time period only increases 15 lbs, they aren't even lifting the same total weight as they were before. Body + bar.
    Even if they increased 20 lbs, they only maintained strength at least, not losing it.
    Now, in a diet, that's great actually - you've maintained muscle.
    The problem is many report this as a big positive when just starting to lift - in which case they should have had increases merely from form improvements and CNS engagement - which means in the end they likely did increase strength from those factors - but lost muscle from the diet.

    It's a great way to confirm what's happening when you do start a deficit eating routine - maintaining strength would mean the weight on the bar increases as weight on the body decreases.

    Whereas you have seen total strength and muscle gains.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    heybales wrote: »
    @dejavuohlala - Are you sure the Fitbit is working correctly - are steps showing up?
    Do you have a Fitbit you can view the stats on to confirm?

    Because that sounds like BMR level they use if no steps are seen.

    @jerilynconn - be aware that for squats and deads - weight on the body and weight on the bar are mutually inclusive.

    That's why some people that say they get stronger in a diet aren't.
    "I lost 20 lbs and increased my squat by 15 lbs during same time."

    Well - bad news - that's a loss of 5 lbs of strength actually. Should have been 20lb increase to maintain strength.

    @haybayles yes steps are showing up and the figures are the same on the dashboard ?????? Is this a very low TDEE? Why could that be??

    I'm worried I may not have settings correct on MFP, my goals are set at lose 1lb per week and ' not very active' for my activity level, my Fitbit is synced to MFP so is this why my TDEE is so low????? On the Fitbit ??

    Confirm your Fitbit settings are correct, your device is using as math your BMR as foundation to calorie burn. All non-moving time in fact is given BMR level burn (which is actually underestimated when awake by decent amount).
    BMR is also used as factor for the steps and stride length, which gives distance with time makes pace, which with BMR gives very good estimate of moving calorie burn for many activities that are step based.

    So if you got settings wrong - that can create low BMR and low TDEE. And this would be shown on device since that is where the math starts.

    If you are doing the average weekly TDEE method (same amount eaten daily) - you do NOT want to sync Fitbit with MFP, as it will screw up your manually set eating goal.
    When manually set - your selection of activity level and weight loss goal is immaterial to any math. Only with Fitbit synced does it matter. And only on the MFP side, none of that effects the Fitbit side.

    If you are doing the average weekly TDEE method, you should also NOT log any exercise, merely make a wall post about your workouts.

    You use your Fitbit then (confirmed properly setup) to give you a better estimate of your TDEE from your weekly emailed reports. You may have to manually enter exercise on Fitbit depending on model used and workouts done - because it can be inaccurate on mostly weight lifting, but others too just depending.
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