Duodenal ulcers and keto/LCHF
Shadowmf023
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I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
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Ugh, be careful with Ulsanic & Omeprazole - both are tough on the liver. Are you taking any antibiotics for Helicobacter pylori?
"Infection with Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori)
Infection with H. pylori is the cause in about 19 in 20 cases of duodenal ulcer. More than a quarter of people in the UK become infected with H. pylori at some stage in their lives. Once you are infected, unless treated, the infection usually stays for the rest of your life. In many people it causes no problems and a number of these bacteria just live harmlessly in the lining of the stomach and duodenum. However, in some people this bacterium causes an inflammation in the lining of the stomach or duodenum. This causes the defence mucous barrier to be disrupted (and in some cases the amount of acid to be increased) which allows the acid to cause inflammation and ulcers." patient.info/health/duodenal-ulcer
Some home remedies to help: fresh cabbage juice, 1 tbsp coconut oil 2x/day, licorice tea or capsules (helps the stomach/intestines form more mucous barrier), capsaicin in cayenne (cuts stomach acid, builds mucosal lining).
Also suggested - 3 bananas a day (def not KETO) - they have antibacterial compounds that inhibit H. pylori.4 -
Nope no antibiotics. I am on this medication for a month. I was just told to stay away from spicy food and to eat frequently. I was wondering if the fat would help since it takes so long to digest. Might give the acid something to burn on that isn't my ulcer. Lol
It's still busy forming they think - (because I haven't had an endoscopy but I have all the symptoms of one). It hasn't bled, thank goodness. But the heartburn is killing me. And this insane bloatedness even if I don't eat (and it goes away if I do eat?!)... I also have a ring sometimes of pain around my lower abdomen, through my hips and into my lower back. They also think that's also because of the ulcer, because of it's location.
It's common to lose weight when you have one - I'm gaining weight because it feels better when there's food in my stomach.0 -
I can't advise, but I'm sorry your guts are all *kitten* up, my friend.
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SuperCarLori wrote: »I can't advise, but I'm sorry your guts are all *kitten* up, my friend.
Me too.
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Lol oh well, at least you made me laugh.
SuperCarLori wrote: »I can't advise, but I'm sorry your guts are all *kitten* up, my friend.baconslave wrote: »SuperCarLori wrote: »I can't advise, but I'm sorry your guts are all *kitten* up, my friend.
Me too.
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
Hi, @Shadowmf023. My condolences - no fun when your guts are messed up! Fooey
I still have rare attacks of "Don't go out in white pants" syndrome, but it's pretty much all cleared up. As far as I can figure, these are the main changes that might have helped, in (possible) order of perceived importance...- Switched from generic metformin to name-brand Glucophage;
- Stopped eating all wheat (and other grains) - If you haven't already ruled this out.... according to Dr. Tom O'Bryan (fat & keto summit), a majority of folks in the US have celiac disease or gluten intolerance, and eating any conspicuous amount of wheat can "tear the cheesecloth" that is your gut lining. He reckons 6 months' worth of total abstention from anything containing wheat should allow your leaky lining to repair itself. Meanwhile, if you've recently had any wheat from any source, you might want to consider lab tests. Of course, there could be a different food intolerance in play;
- Stopped eating other carbs not from low-carb dairy or above-ground vegetables;
- Waited a while....and waited a little more.... (seemed like it took longer than it really did);
- Stopped taking PPIs (I was also on omeprazole).
Best of luck - keep us posted, eh?1 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
Hi, @Shadowmf023. My condolences - no fun when your guts are messed up! Fooey
I still have rare attacks of "Don't go out in white pants" syndrome, but it's pretty much all cleared up. As far as I can figure, these are the main changes that might have helped, in (possible) order of perceived importance...- Switched from generic metformin to name-brand Glucophage;
- Stopped eating all wheat (and other grains) - If you haven't already ruled this out.... according to Dr. Tom O'Bryan (fat & keto summit), a majority of folks in the US have celiac disease or gluten intolerance, and eating any conspicuous amount of wheat can "tear the cheesecloth" that is your gut lining. He reckons 6 months' worth of total abstention from anything containing wheat should allow your leaky lining to repair itself. Meanwhile, if you've recently had any wheat from any source, you might want to consider lab tests. Of course, there could be a different food intolerance in play;
- Stopped eating other carbs not from low-carb dairy or above-ground vegetables;
- Waited a while....and waited a little more.... (seemed like it took longer than it really did);
- Stopped taking PPIs (I was also on omeprazole).
Best of luck - keep us posted, eh?
So as I read this - keto might be a good thing, yes? I'm going to have an experimental keto day tomorrow to see how I handle it. I've been eating more Paleo ish prior to this problem.
As for the meds, I suppose I could also try going one day without. But geez I'm afraid. I feel like I burn up if I do. Lol like the pits of hell are in my stomach. 0 -
Oh also, another problem is that I wake up.in the night with heart burn. Insane burn. Every night. For the last 2 weeks. It's either heart burn or stomach pain - colic-like cramps. That's with the medicine - can't imagine what it would be like without... 0
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SuperCarLori wrote: »I can't advise, but I'm sorry your guts are all *kitten* up, my friend.
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@Shadowmf023 re: heartburn at night. Something that helped my aunt with GERD: Try raising the head of your bed a few inches so you are on a slight slant. Keeps the gastric juices where they belong instead of leaking up the pipe.
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canadjineh wrote: »@Shadowmf023 re: heartburn at night. Something that helped my aunt with GERD: Try raising the head of your bed a few inches so you are on a slight slant. Keeps the gastric juices where they belong instead of leaking up the pipe.
Good luck.
@canadjineh My heartburn actually doesn't come into my throat/chest, it's just an insane burn in my stomach itself. I just couldn't think of another name for it. Lol
I ordered some liquorice tea online btw, it should be here by Monday. I'm also doing an experimental keto day today, without meds.
I've had some discomfort this morning, but it was bearable and cold water helped a lot. Also - le sigh. Midnight snacking. Lol, I got up this morning and ate a piece of cheese and half a glas of milk (it was all I had that was keto-ish), and I slept fine the rest of the night.
If today goes well, I'll make myself some keto muffins to snack on. Just need to plan for it.
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »Shadowmf023 wrote: »I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
Hi, @Shadowmf023. My condolences - no fun when your guts are messed up! Fooey
I still have rare attacks of "Don't go out in white pants" syndrome, but it's pretty much all cleared up. As far as I can figure, these are the main changes that might have helped, in (possible) order of perceived importance...- Switched from generic metformin to name-brand Glucophage;
- Stopped eating all wheat (and other grains) - If you haven't already ruled this out.... according to Dr. Tom O'Bryan (fat & keto summit), a majority of folks in the US have celiac disease or gluten intolerance, and eating any conspicuous amount of wheat can "tear the cheesecloth" that is your gut lining. He reckons 6 months' worth of total abstention from anything containing wheat should allow your leaky lining to repair itself. Meanwhile, if you've recently had any wheat from any source, you might want to consider lab tests. Of course, there could be a different food intolerance in play;
- Stopped eating other carbs not from low-carb dairy or above-ground vegetables;
- Waited a while....and waited a little more.... (seemed like it took longer than it really did);
- Stopped taking PPIs (I was also on omeprazole).
Best of luck - keep us posted, eh?
So as I read this - keto might be a good thing, yes? I'm going to have an experimental keto day tomorrow to see how I handle it. I've been eating more Paleo ish prior to this problem.
As for the meds, I suppose I could also try going one day without. But geez I'm afraid. I feel like I burn up if I do. Lol like the pits of hell are in my stomach.
Ay, it might indeed be a good thing, but a day's experiment may not offer much insight, especially if your stomach's normal chemistry has been modified by the PPIs.
Could you drop as many carbs, dairy, and other usual suspects, stop eating early in the evening/late afternoon, and basically do a simple elimination diet for a couple weeks? Filter all your H20 (a long shot).
Just out of curiosity - how were you diagnosed? Endoscopy? Sounds like you haven't had a recent test for H. Pylori.... Any chance it could be gastritis from NSAIDs or distress caused by some other med?
Have you tried anything less drastic than PPIs? (Like Pepto Bismol liquid?)
It certainly sounds unpleasant - hope there's a simple fix!!1 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »Shadowmf023 wrote: »I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
Hi, @Shadowmf023. My condolences - no fun when your guts are messed up! Fooey
I still have rare attacks of "Don't go out in white pants" syndrome, but it's pretty much all cleared up. As far as I can figure, these are the main changes that might have helped, in (possible) order of perceived importance...- Switched from generic metformin to name-brand Glucophage;
- Stopped eating all wheat (and other grains) - If you haven't already ruled this out.... according to Dr. Tom O'Bryan (fat & keto summit), a majority of folks in the US have celiac disease or gluten intolerance, and eating any conspicuous amount of wheat can "tear the cheesecloth" that is your gut lining. He reckons 6 months' worth of total abstention from anything containing wheat should allow your leaky lining to repair itself. Meanwhile, if you've recently had any wheat from any source, you might want to consider lab tests. Of course, there could be a different food intolerance in play;
- Stopped eating other carbs not from low-carb dairy or above-ground vegetables;
- Waited a while....and waited a little more.... (seemed like it took longer than it really did);
- Stopped taking PPIs (I was also on omeprazole).
Best of luck - keep us posted, eh?
So as I read this - keto might be a good thing, yes? I'm going to have an experimental keto day tomorrow to see how I handle it. I've been eating more Paleo ish prior to this problem.
As for the meds, I suppose I could also try going one day without. But geez I'm afraid. I feel like I burn up if I do. Lol like the pits of hell are in my stomach.
Ay, it might indeed be a good thing, but a day's experiment may not offer much insight, especially if your stomach's normal chemistry has been modified by the PPIs.
Could you drop as many carbs, dairy, and other usual suspects, stop eating early in the evening/late afternoon, and basically do a simple elimination diet for a couple weeks? Filter all your H20 (a long shot).
Just out of curiosity - how were you diagnosed? Endoscopy? Sounds like you haven't had a recent test for H. Pylori.... Any chance it could be gastritis from NSAIDs or distress caused by some other med?
Have you tried anything less drastic than PPIs? (Like Pepto Bismol liquid?)
It certainly sounds unpleasant - hope there's a simple fix!!
I highly doubt it's a food intolerance. I've never in my life had any problems with dairy (when following keto I ate a lot of dairy and was just peachy) or gluten. I usually have dinner at 6 or 7pm. Breakfast is really early, as soon as I wake up to keep the acid from killing me. (6am)
My water is filtered anyway.
I was going to do an endoscopy if the symptoms didn't improve with the medication, but they did. I've had blood tests prior to this issue for vitamin deficiencies, but I guess H. Pylori won't show up on them. The doctors just kind of diagnosed me based on the symptoms.
Before this started, I had a lot of pain from an irritated colon (supposedly from aloe juice). I got probiotics for that, some herbal remedy for the bloat, Bevispas. I wasn't on pain medication - save for Mag Phos tissue salts. And while that was being treated, the other symptoms started.
At first I thought it was just very bad hunger because I wasn't able to eat very well because I had pain. Bad hunger usually feels like a fire burning in my stomach. But it didn't go away and started waking me up in the middle of the night (it was really bad - like I was rolling around in pain for hours and crying) that's when I went to the doctors and got the diagnoses.
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SuperCarLori wrote: »I can't advise, but I'm sorry your guts are all *kitten* up, my friend.
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »Shadowmf023 wrote: »Shadowmf023 wrote: »I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
Hi, @Shadowmf023. My condolences - no fun when your guts are messed up! Fooey
I still have rare attacks of "Don't go out in white pants" syndrome, but it's pretty much all cleared up. As far as I can figure, these are the main changes that might have helped, in (possible) order of perceived importance...- Switched from generic metformin to name-brand Glucophage;
- Stopped eating all wheat (and other grains) - If you haven't already ruled this out.... according to Dr. Tom O'Bryan (fat & keto summit), a majority of folks in the US have celiac disease or gluten intolerance, and eating any conspicuous amount of wheat can "tear the cheesecloth" that is your gut lining. He reckons 6 months' worth of total abstention from anything containing wheat should allow your leaky lining to repair itself. Meanwhile, if you've recently had any wheat from any source, you might want to consider lab tests. Of course, there could be a different food intolerance in play;
- Stopped eating other carbs not from low-carb dairy or above-ground vegetables;
- Waited a while....and waited a little more.... (seemed like it took longer than it really did);
- Stopped taking PPIs (I was also on omeprazole).
Best of luck - keep us posted, eh?
So as I read this - keto might be a good thing, yes? I'm going to have an experimental keto day tomorrow to see how I handle it. I've been eating more Paleo ish prior to this problem.
As for the meds, I suppose I could also try going one day without. But geez I'm afraid. I feel like I burn up if I do. Lol like the pits of hell are in my stomach.
Ay, it might indeed be a good thing, but a day's experiment may not offer much insight, especially if your stomach's normal chemistry has been modified by the PPIs.
Could you drop as many carbs, dairy, and other usual suspects, stop eating early in the evening/late afternoon, and basically do a simple elimination diet for a couple weeks? Filter all your H20 (a long shot).
Just out of curiosity - how were you diagnosed? Endoscopy? Sounds like you haven't had a recent test for H. Pylori.... Any chance it could be gastritis from NSAIDs or distress caused by some other med?
Have you tried anything less drastic than PPIs? (Like Pepto Bismol liquid?)
It certainly sounds unpleasant - hope there's a simple fix!!
I highly doubt it's a food intolerance. I've never in my life had any problems with dairy (when following keto I ate a lot of dairy and was just peachy) or gluten. I usually have dinner at 6 or 7pm. Breakfast is really early, as soon as I wake up to keep the acid from killing me. (6am)
My water is filtered anyway.
I was going to do an endoscopy if the symptoms didn't improve with the medication, but they did. I've had blood tests prior to this issue for vitamin deficiencies, but I guess H. Pylori won't show up on them. The doctors just kind of diagnosed me based on the symptoms.
Before this started, I had a lot of pain from an irritated colon (supposedly from aloe juice). I got probiotics for that, some herbal remedy for the bloat, Bevispas. I wasn't on pain medication - save for Mag Phos tissue salts. And while that was being treated, the other symptoms started.
At first I thought it was just very bad hunger because I wasn't able to eat very well because I had pain. Bad hunger usually feels like a fire burning in my stomach. But it didn't go away and started waking me up in the middle of the night (it was really bad - like I was rolling around in pain for hours and crying) that's when I went to the doctors and got the diagnoses.
Yowza.... that's just horrible!! I'm drawing blanks at this point, but I'll keep my eyes peeled.
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Okay I couldn't do it. It's 15:51 now and I had to take meds. I felt the burning start, and I didn't want to give it a chance to get so bad that I'm in agony for hours again. Also broke my keto day with yoghurt (sweetened, it's all I had).
I have a bunch of non-keto food in the house right now, I think I'll finish those, because I don't want to waste them - they'll last me about half a week more.
And then I'll continue on with Keto anyway. I guess it can't hurt, well, maybe the extra salt can. I don't know. 0 -
I always go for bentonite with any stomach/digestion issues...I get the liquid (hydrated) version, but you can also find is as a powder and mix with juice/milk if you prefer...hydrated with water is has pretty much no flavor.0
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »Okay I couldn't do it. It's 15:51 now and I had to take meds. I felt the burning start, and I didn't want to give it a chance to get so bad that I'm in agony for hours again. Also broke my keto day with yoghurt (sweetened, it's all I had).
I have a bunch of non-keto food in the house right now, I think I'll finish those, because I don't want to waste them - they'll last me about half a week more.
And then I'll continue on with Keto anyway. I guess it can't hurt, well, maybe the extra salt can. I don't know.
*kitten* I'm so sorry liquid Pepto-Dismal? That was my go-to back when.... 0 -
Ooh I empathise!! I had years of gut problems including ulcers. I was on Omeprozole twice a day.The biggest change for me was giving up alcohol just over 12 months ago. I swear it was sulphides (?) in the ( copious amounts of) wine I was consuming!!!!
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Shadowmf023 wrote: »I highly doubt it's a food intolerance. I've never in my life had any problems with dairy (when following keto I ate a lot of dairy and was just peachy) or gluten.
You wouldn't necessarily have felt or noticed anything (like instant stomach aches, explosive diarrhea, green skin, etc.) with wheat or gluten, especially if it's only a problem in combination with another trigger....
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Ooh I empathise!! I had years of gut problems including ulcers. I was on Omeprozole twice a day.The biggest change for me was giving up alcohol just over 12 months ago. I swear it was sulphides (?) in the ( copious amounts of) wine I was consuming!!!! I've since stopped taking the medication. Difficult to do but SO worth it!
Well I don't use alcohol - never have. Lol so sadly that's not a possible solution for me.0 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »Okay I couldn't do it. It's 15:51 now and I had to take meds. I felt the burning start, and I didn't want to give it a chance to get so bad that I'm in agony for hours again. Also broke my keto day with yoghurt (sweetened, it's all I had).
I have a bunch of non-keto food in the house right now, I think I'll finish those, because I don't want to waste them - they'll last me about half a week more.
And then I'll continue on with Keto anyway. I guess it can't hurt, well, maybe the extra salt can. I don't know.
*kitten* I'm so sorry liquid Pepto-Dismal? That was my go-to back when....
I've got 16 days of medication left. I guess I'll finish it and hope for the best. Hope it's healed/better by then.0 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »I highly doubt it's a food intolerance. I've never in my life had any problems with dairy (when following keto I ate a lot of dairy and was just peachy) or gluten.
You wouldn't necessarily have felt or noticed anything (like instant stomach aches, explosive diarrhea, green skin, etc.) with wheat or gluten, especially if it's only a problem in combination with another trigger....
I also didn't have problems with gluten til I was in my 40's... Or at least it wasn't bad enough for myself or my Nat. Doc. to figure that might be a problem for me.... you never know.2 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »I haven't posted here in a while, I've been ill. Diagnosed with a possible forming duodenal ulcer. I've been prescribed Ulsanic and Omez (40mg a day).
I'm wondering if anyone had their symptoms improve/ulcer healed on keto? Or LCHF (<50g net carbs a day or 70g total carbs a day).
If so, what foods did you generally stick to? And how often did you eat?
Have any of you even dealt with this? Lol I hope so. Because I can't stand it anymore.
LCHF ha's been awesome for all of my health issues with NO negative side effects in my case. I am heavily into coconut oil and keeping carbs under 50 grams daily. Best of success.1 -
I was told at one point I most likely had a "pre-ulcer condition" b/c of a med I was taking that was hard on the stomach. I continued to have issues with acid reflux, stomach pain, nausea, etc., that did get better when I started eating keto. I'd been put on omeprazole and was able to stop taking it. I don't think it's fully cleared up but I was hearing negative things about long-term use of those medicines. I might try the coconut oil twice a day and cayenne.1
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macchiatto wrote: »I was told at one point I most likely had a "pre-ulcer condition" b/c of a med I was taking that was hard on the stomach. I continued to have issues with acid reflux, stomach pain, nausea, etc., that did get better when I started eating keto. I'd been put on omeprazole and was able to stop taking it. I don't think it's fully cleared up but I was hearing negative things about long-term use of those medicines. I might try the coconut oil twice a day and cayenne.
I've only been prescribed omeprazole for a month luckily. I'm hoping it's resolved by then.0 -
Shadowmf023 wrote: »macchiatto wrote: »I was told at one point I most likely had a "pre-ulcer condition" b/c of a med I was taking that was hard on the stomach. I continued to have issues with acid reflux, stomach pain, nausea, etc., that did get better when I started eating keto. I'd been put on omeprazole and was able to stop taking it. I don't think it's fully cleared up but I was hearing negative things about long-term use of those medicines. I might try the coconut oil twice a day and cayenne.
I've only been prescribed omeprazole for a month luckily. I'm hoping it's resolved by then.
Short-term therapy is exactly where the PPIs excel.
We'll all keep our fingers and eyes crossed for you!
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I was on omeprazole twice a day, too, until a few weeks into LCHF. I haven't needed it for a few months now.
Interestingly, the acid reflux reared its ugly head big time Friday after I overindulged in both alcohol and wheat (stuffing) on Thursday. I'm not sure which was the trigger. It has not diminished yet, and today it was to the point where I had to take omeprazole again. As I said in another thread, I learned a valuable lesson this Thanksgiving!1
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