In Ketosis - Fat Fast Help
Scochrane86
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So I am in ketosis and would like to do a 3 day fat fast.
My question is: instead of following a "normal" fat fast diet (as one shown on ruled.me), can I get all my fat from coffee and HWC? I am planning on drinking 5 coffees and HWC a day during my fasts. This will land me with 1000 calories, 100g fat, 5g protein and 0g carbs.
does this sound ok?
I am aiming for a 3 day water fast, but want to see how I do with this type first. I am dying for the energy a fast can produce!
My question is: instead of following a "normal" fat fast diet (as one shown on ruled.me), can I get all my fat from coffee and HWC? I am planning on drinking 5 coffees and HWC a day during my fasts. This will land me with 1000 calories, 100g fat, 5g protein and 0g carbs.
does this sound ok?
I am aiming for a 3 day water fast, but want to see how I do with this type first. I am dying for the energy a fast can produce!
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yes sounds like fat fast. I just want to say be careful doing fat fasts. From my experience...I ate LCHF for 2 years and lost a lot of weight, but also a lot of muscle. You've probably heard of "skinny fat". Be sure to eat enough protein to preserve/build muscle. That's what I'm in the process of attempting now....4
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I agree on eating enough protein. I had a thread earlier on here about zero carb and fueling for the brain (will have to come back and post the link). The short explanation is that your brain / central nervous system need glucose; and protein is an efficient place to get glucose. While you may not need quite as much while in ketosis, you still need some glucose. If you aren't eating protein, your body will take muscle for conversion to glucose. At 0g carbs, and 5g protein, you will lose muscle.
ETA for link to the other thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/390871780 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »I agree on eating enough protein. I had a thread earlier on here about zero carb and fueling for the brain (will have to come back and post the link). The short explanation is that your brain / central nervous system need glucose; and protein is an efficient place to get glucose. While you may not need quite as much while in ketosis, you still need some glucose. If you aren't eating protein, your body will take muscle for conversion to glucose. At 0g carbs, and 5g protein, you will lose muscle.
ETA for link to the other thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/39087178
from my own research, I have to disagree. My body has enough storage to last the 3 days plus many more. But losing muscle, at my body weight/type right now just makes absolutely no sense. maybe if my numbers were much lower, but not now.
This is a decision I made for myself, from my own research. If it blows up in my face, at least I tried. The #1 issue with fasting is people throw the idea out the window before giving it a chance. "Don't knock it until you try it" - so I am trying it.
I was more so looking for info on whether I can get all my fat from the HWC or if I need to add other sources.
I am gearing up for an extended water fast.3 -
Scochrane86 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I agree on eating enough protein. I had a thread earlier on here about zero carb and fueling for the brain (will have to come back and post the link). The short explanation is that your brain / central nervous system need glucose; and protein is an efficient place to get glucose. While you may not need quite as much while in ketosis, you still need some glucose. If you aren't eating protein, your body will take muscle for conversion to glucose. At 0g carbs, and 5g protein, you will lose muscle.
ETA for link to the other thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/39087178
from my own research, I have to disagree. My body has enough storage to last the 3 days plus many more. But losing muscle, at my body weight/type right now just makes absolutely no sense. maybe if my numbers were much lower, but not now.
This is a decision I made for myself, from my own research. If it blows up in my face, at least I tried. The #1 issue with fasting is people throw the idea out the window before giving it a chance. "Don't knock it until you try it" - so I am trying it.
I was more so looking for info on whether I can get all my fat from the HWC or if I need to add other sources.
I am gearing up for an extended water fast.
I would also like to do an extended water fast - for autophagy and immunity boosting. I love that HGH is elevated during that time which easily allows LBM preservation. Do you listen to Fasting Talk with Jimmy Moore and Jason Fung?
I IF and don't know if I'm just going to jump in with a water fast, or do a few days fat fasting which can make a water fast easier.0 -
Scochrane86 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I agree on eating enough protein. I had a thread earlier on here about zero carb and fueling for the brain (will have to come back and post the link). The short explanation is that your brain / central nervous system need glucose; and protein is an efficient place to get glucose. While you may not need quite as much while in ketosis, you still need some glucose. If you aren't eating protein, your body will take muscle for conversion to glucose. At 0g carbs, and 5g protein, you will lose muscle.
ETA for link to the other thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/39087178
from my own research, I have to disagree. My body has enough storage to last the 3 days plus many more. But losing muscle, at my body weight/type right now just makes absolutely no sense. maybe if my numbers were much lower, but not now.
This is a decision I made for myself, from my own research. If it blows up in my face, at least I tried. The #1 issue with fasting is people throw the idea out the window before giving it a chance. "Don't knock it until you try it" - so I am trying it.
I was more so looking for info on whether I can get all my fat from the HWC or if I need to add other sources.
I am gearing up for an extended water fast.
I would also like to do an extended water fast - for autophagy and immunity boosting. I love that HGH is elevated during that time which easily allows LBM preservation. Do you listen to Fasting Talk with Jimmy Moore and Jason Fung?
I IF and don't know if I'm just going to jump in with a water fast, or do a few days fat fasting which can make a water fast easier.
I have read/watched pretty much all of Dr. Fungs fasting podcasts/videos and it makes perfect sense. I am on a normal 18:6 IF schedule so I am hoping these 3 days aren't too bad.2 -
If you want a fasting buddy, let me know! I almost tried it this week (M-Th would be the easiest timing with my schedule) but didn't. My main concern is dinnertime with my family.2
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midwesterner85 wrote: »I agree on eating enough protein. I had a thread earlier on here about zero carb and fueling for the brain (will have to come back and post the link). The short explanation is that your brain / central nervous system need glucose; and protein is an efficient place to get glucose. While you may not need quite as much while in ketosis, you still need some glucose. If you aren't eating protein, your body will take muscle for conversion to glucose. At 0g carbs, and 5g protein, you will lose muscle.
ETA for link to the other thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/39087178
I think it's more accurate to say the body will take lean mass for conversion. She will lose lean mass but it can be extra skin and connective tissues just as easily as it could be muscle. So lean tissue will be lost for sure. But it won't all be actual muscle loss.4 -
If you listen to Jason Fung then you have no doubt heard him speak of fast and feast. I think that's an important thing to be aware of.
All fasting protocols should include a feasting period as well. Megan Ramos speaks about this often on fasting talk. She says that's the number one thing women especially do wrong with fasting. They fast one or several days then eat at a deficit all other days. They never feast.2 -
Scochrane86 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I agree on eating enough protein. I had a thread earlier on here about zero carb and fueling for the brain (will have to come back and post the link). The short explanation is that your brain / central nervous system need glucose; and protein is an efficient place to get glucose. While you may not need quite as much while in ketosis, you still need some glucose. If you aren't eating protein, your body will take muscle for conversion to glucose. At 0g carbs, and 5g protein, you will lose muscle.
ETA for link to the other thread: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/39087178
from my own research, I have to disagree. My body has enough storage to last the 3 days plus many more. But losing muscle, at my body weight/type right now just makes absolutely no sense. maybe if my numbers were much lower, but not now.
This is a decision I made for myself, from my own research. If it blows up in my face, at least I tried. The #1 issue with fasting is people throw the idea out the window before giving it a chance. "Don't knock it until you try it" - so I am trying it.
I was more so looking for info on whether I can get all my fat from the HWC or if I need to add other sources.
I am gearing up for an extended water fast.
Yes to this. Dr. Fungs research says that there is little to no muscle loss. That happens when situations gets severe (starvation).1 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »If you listen to Jason Fung then you have no doubt heard him speak of fast and feast. I think that's an important thing to be aware of.
All fasting protocols should include a feasting period as well. Megan Ramos speaks about this often on fasting talk. She says that's the number one thing women especially do wrong with fasting. They fast one or several days then eat at a deficit all other days. They never feast.
Interesting.....I'm sure that's true......When dieting us women don't like to think we are messing things up by eating too much.....1 -
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I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!7 -
Scochrane86 wrote: »
I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!
I am planning Mon to Wednesday next week. I am quite excited actually
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Scochrane86 wrote: »
I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!
I am planning Mon to Wednesday next week. I am quite excited actually
Ack...I want to do this too! I'm tentatively committing to it. Will yours be water only or will you have fats? Have you fasted before?0 -
This sounds interesting - may give it a go when kids are gone for Spring Break....0
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Scochrane86 wrote: »
I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!
I am planning Mon to Wednesday next week. I am quite excited actually
Ack...I want to do this too! I'm tentatively committing to it. Will yours be water only or will you have fats? Have you fasted before?
Mine will be a waterfast. I have done a number of 1-2 day fasts but not a 3 day water fast. Usually due to work stress as opposed to planned ones.
When are you thinking of doing yours?0 -
Thinking of starting Monday. I've only IFed so we'll see how I do!Scochrane86 wrote: »
I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!
I am planning Mon to Wednesday next week. I am quite excited actually
Ack...I want to do this too! I'm tentatively committing to it. Will yours be water only or will you have fats? Have you fasted before?
Mine will be a waterfast. I have done a number of 1-2 day fasts but not a 3 day water fast. Usually due to work stress as opposed to planned ones.
When are you thinking of doing yours?
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I really need to get around to doing more fasting research. I really wish I could remember what I read on here a while back that made me think fasting was contraindicated for people like me. (I don't remember in what way they were like me ... the PCOS? IR? MS? Hypotensive? Insomniac? So that makes it harder to google.
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macchiatto wrote: »I really need to get around to doing more fasting research. I really wish I could remember what I read on here a while back that made me think fasting was contraindicated for people like me. (I don't remember in what way they were like me ... the PCOS? IR? MS? Hypotensive? Insomniac? So that makes it harder to google. )
I expect it would be best to get into relative good health before a long fast. I do just fine on IF but LCHF is a form of fasting if one is getting into Ketosis daily.2 -
Thinking of starting Monday. I've only IFed so we'll see how I do!Scochrane86 wrote: »
I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!
I am planning Mon to Wednesday next week. I am quite excited actually
Ack...I want to do this too! I'm tentatively committing to it. Will yours be water only or will you have fats? Have you fasted before?
Mine will be a waterfast. I have done a number of 1-2 day fasts but not a 3 day water fast. Usually due to work stress as opposed to planned ones.
When are you thinking of doing yours?
So far so good for me, work is really busy so perfect time for it, I did not even realize I had not eaten all day before it was nearly 8pm1 -
Thinking of starting Monday. I've only IFed so we'll see how I do!Scochrane86 wrote: »
I am 46? hours into my 72 hour fast and so far so good!!!
I am planning Mon to Wednesday next week. I am quite excited actually
Ack...I want to do this too! I'm tentatively committing to it. Will yours be water only or will you have fats? Have you fasted before?
Mine will be a waterfast. I have done a number of 1-2 day fasts but not a 3 day water fast. Usually due to work stress as opposed to planned ones.
When are you thinking of doing yours?
So far so good for me, work is really busy so perfect time for it, I did not even realize I had not eaten all day before it was nearly 8pm
I started with 24 hour Saturday noon to Sunday noon to kind of ease myself in. It wasn't bad at all. I thought it might help to build up to extended. Maybe try for 48 hours next.0 -
I never suffer when I do 24hrs maybe because my body is so used to IF already? I am not a breakfast person at all.1
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Was hoping to so IF today, but started getting hungry @ 10:00 a.m. for some reason. I decided to hold off and see if would go away, but no such luck.
Decided it's finally time to eat. Having some soup which is mainly very salty broth with minimal veggies and chicken....1 -
A couple times a week I IF mostly 16:8 but sometimes 18:6. I usually finish eating in the evening by 7pm and have my next meal around 11am (or 1pm for a 18:6) and my tummy always, ALWAYS, rumbles at 9am. I've taken to ignoring it and it usually goes away. But sure as *kitten* it's 9am on the dot every time.2
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A couple times a week I IF mostly 16:8 but sometimes 18:6. I usually finish eating in the evening by 7pm and have my next meal around 11am (or 1pm for a 18:6) and my tummy always, ALWAYS, rumbles at 9am. I've taken to ignoring it and it usually goes away. But sure as *kitten* it's 9am on the dot every time.
@mmultanen
Does that correspond with when you "used" to eat breakfast? Just out of curiousity...1 -
On the weekends I almost always eat breakfast cause we make a big to-do and by 9am everyone's up and we're eating usually. So that's probably what it corresponds to.1
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I had read somewhere that we are just used to eating at certain mealtimes and sometimes our "hunger" is just really habit, but it certainly seems real enough sometimes.... 5
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Hey all
How did everyone get on with fat fasts?
I'm going to do a 3-4 day fast from tomorrow. Hoping to do 80/90% fat, 20% protein and 0 carbs. Not done this before but I need to see some weight loss on the scales. Ive done well and lost inches but I have a habit of losing inches but stay the same weight but I do still need to get the weight down. Plus I'm on holiday soon.
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »If you listen to Jason Fung then you have no doubt heard him speak of fast and feast. I think that's an important thing to be aware of.
All fasting protocols should include a feasting period as well. Megan Ramos speaks about this often on fasting talk. She says that's the number one thing women especially do wrong with fasting. They fast one or several days then eat at a deficit all other days. They never feast.
I think that's where I may be going wrong. I only recently started keeping a proper diary, (I mean, literally, this week) but have already found that I am simply not hitting most of my targets, daily.... I start off with a BPC, then I don't eat until about gone 2pm....
Today for example, I had the coffee at around 9am, then at two, had lunch... and just haven't been hungry since... had a Chawanmuchi this evening, but could just as easily have skipped it....2 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »If you listen to Jason Fung then you have no doubt heard him speak of fast and feast. I think that's an important thing to be aware of.
All fasting protocols should include a feasting period as well. Megan Ramos speaks about this often on fasting talk. She says that's the number one thing women especially do wrong with fasting. They fast one or several days then eat at a deficit all other days. They never feast.
I think that's where I may be going wrong. I only recently started keeping a proper diary, (I mean, literally, this week) but have already found that I am simply not hitting most of my targets, daily.... I start off with a BPC, then I don't eat until about gone 2pm....
Today for example, I had the coffee at around 9am, then at two, had lunch... and just haven't been hungry since... had a Chawanmuchi this evening, but could just as easily have skipped it....
I would cut the bpc and either eat more later in the day or replace it with eggs or some other protein and try to get at least one feasting day in a week. Doing that may allow you to eat more on a feasting day.
I just made this whole weekend a feast. Still never breached 1700 calories though. But that's over my TDEE so it should have my metabolism humming and ready to have a 1 meal fast tomorrow. I ate dinner at 7 and will wait til dinner tomorrow at 6:30 to eat after having a high calorie day today.
I actually just started focusing on this method last weekend and I did have some scale weight change early in the week. It's back up after eating this weekend but I don't think that matters. I don't have much to lose and if I can get 1 pound loss (on average weight) over this whole month that is a good goal for me.2
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