Keep going and if you can avoid the surgery, by all means it seems that this should be your route. This is so good to read!

cstehansen wrote: »

I got sucked into an episode of my 600 lb life where someone weighing about 675 was told by the doc to lose 50 lbs in the next 30 days by eating 0 carb before he would consider doing the surgery. She lost more than that. I had to watch another episode just to see if this was normal, and sure enough the same thing happened. At least that doc gets it.

Wow that's cool. I don't think I've ever watched that show. I'll have to check that out & look for that episode. You got me interested now.

@Scochrane86 Did you have your appointment with your dr yesterday? What did they say?

Holy crap how cool that she thought you were already "post op" lol!

Scochrane86 wrote: »

[ am still not sure what the future holds... but I am happy for now!

My crystal ball is broken so I don't know either but you're on the right track!!

I wish dieting could have helped me. Only being able to eat small amounts has bettered my health. I am diabetic, have Crohns and had gastroparesis. So due to the gastroparesis, I wasnt digesting food properly and my blood sugars were hard to control. My gastric sleeve surgery was 3/27. Since then I am down 43lbs, my A1c has decreased from 7.9 to 6.3 and I feel great. Best of all, my crohns seems to flare less. Only downfall .... I hate shopping and need some new clothes.

It's not for everyone, but if you can make the changes without it then GO FOR IT!!

Wow, so awesome!

Beyond fantastic!! Well done!!

mandycat223 wrote: »

Aquawave wrote: »

In my opinion, only a quack would recommend surgery at 225 pounds. Keto on! You are doing fantastic!

Here's a horrifying (to me, at any rate) statistic I came across last year. The fastest growing form of surgery among TEENAGERS is gastric bypass. Any doctor who would recommend this for children is by definition a quack unless it's somehow necessary for lifesaving purposes. And if that's the case, the parents need counseling for having abdicated their responsibilities.

Of course, I'm so antiquated I was horrified to read that among certain demographic groups plastic surgery is a popular high school graduation gift for girls. Aaaaaagh!!!!

Geez Louise. I am shocked. Most teenagers can drop pounds by upping their activity and eating right. I just couldn't imagine a doctor with ethics doing this surgery on all but the most extreme cases. I was a skinny bean pole in high school and I ate crap food and I used to sit at my drawing table for hours on end. I didn't really gain weight until well into my 20s and then lost a lot of it by eating right and upping my activity. It's been down hill since my 30s until this year and now I am eating right and upping my activity level. I am not going to yo-yo this time around, I feel a hell of a lot better since I've lost 31 lbs and I still could stand to lose 30 more.

KnitOrMiss wrote: »

Remember, y'all, that there is T2D onsetting in children under ten years old, morbid obesity (children weighing HUNDREDS of pounds before puberty - or even suspending it indefinitely), heart disease, and all kinds of things - due mainly to poverty and government subsidies, etc. - and the fact that with food stamps, buying convenience foods and such you get more volume, etc...plus less work... It is sad, for sure, but if they're born and develop insulin resistance before they're 10 or so...and have no way to fight back against the poverty system, I can see it as a last ditch option. I'm not talking about a girl who is 5'7" and 200 pounds - or a linebacker who is 6' and 275 or something... I'm talking about the kid who is 5'5" and 450+ pounds, etc. It is scary and sad and we as decent people need to help fix the system...education, improving programs, etc. It breaks my heart, but I've seen it firsthand.

You can't fix what isn't broken. The system isn't the problem. My eating habits are literally poverty level in cost, especially when cutting weight, and you've seen what I did to myself. Also, as Mark Twain famously said, "everything has it's limits; iron ore cannot be educated into gold". We've been cramming the needed information into people forever, but they just aren't listening.

cstehansen wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

KnitOrMiss wrote: »

Remember, y'all, that there is T2D onsetting in children under ten years old, morbid obesity (children weighing HUNDREDS of pounds before puberty - or even suspending it indefinitely), heart disease, and all kinds of things - due mainly to poverty and government subsidies, etc. - and the fact that with food stamps, buying convenience foods and such you get more volume, etc...plus less work... It is sad, for sure, but if they're born and develop insulin resistance before they're 10 or so...and have no way to fight back against the poverty system, I can see it as a last ditch option. I'm not talking about a girl who is 5'7" and 200 pounds - or a linebacker who is 6' and 275 or something... I'm talking about the kid who is 5'5" and 450+ pounds, etc. It is scary and sad and we as decent people need to help fix the system...education, improving programs, etc. It breaks my heart, but I've seen it firsthand.

You can't fix what isn't broken. The system isn't the problem. My eating habits are literally poverty level in cost, especially when cutting weight, and you've seen what I did to myself. Also, as Mark Twain famously said, "everything has it's limits; iron ore cannot be educated into gold". We've been cramming the needed information into people forever, but they just aren't listening.

By this I can only assume you mean "eat less and move more" and "eat plenty of healthy whole grains" and "replace butter with margarine" and "replace saturated fat with vegetable oil" and "a calorie is a calorie" etc.

Following that advice is what has caused the problem. If you look at the government's own stats, red meat consumption is down, grain consumption is up, butter consumption is down, veg oil consumption is up.

What we need is the RIGHT advice. To some extent, a kid can out exercise a bad diet....for a while. I did it. However, that can't go on forever. Eventually the bad diet will catch up to anyone.

Define "bad diet" for me. Considering some of the things you listed, you'd probably be shocked to know that I can, have and do manipulate my bodyweight on a constant basis using nearly identical food types. I adjust quantities up and down in specific things, depending upon my goals at the time. These things include oats, cereals, potatoes, eggs, and many other things that at least one groups will tell you is responsible for the obesity epidemic. Why am I able to do this? Activity versus consumption. Ask anyone who has followed my feed: I am able to accomplish what I set out to do, every time, without fail, and I am always accurate to within a week or two on when I will land at said goals.

It's almost like the body will react in a rather predictable manner, if people would actually pay attention. Seriously, ask the average person what they even ate yesterday, and they'd either draw a blank, or miss a whole bunch of stuff. *kitten*, I can tell you what I ate on Tuesday of last week, without even looking at my diary. It's really hard to blame any food type, when most people don't actually know what the hell they are eating.

And to cut it off before you ask: do you really believe that government agencies actually know what people are eating? They have metrics sure, but it can't account for wastage (there's a huge amount), stockpiles that aren't actually being consumed (a lot of the beans and grains that are sold in dry form), and rely heavily on recollection data when they do try to get personal, which has been shown to be terribly flawed.

KnitOrMiss wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

cstehansen wrote: »

Gallowmere1984 wrote: »

KnitOrMiss wrote: »

Remember, y'all, that there is T2D onsetting in children under ten years old, morbid obesity (children weighing HUNDREDS of pounds before puberty - or even suspending it indefinitely), heart disease, and all kinds of things - due mainly to poverty and government subsidies, etc. - and the fact that with food stamps, buying convenience foods and such you get more volume, etc...plus less work... It is sad, for sure, but if they're born and develop insulin resistance before they're 10 or so...and have no way to fight back against the poverty system, I can see it as a last ditch option. I'm not talking about a girl who is 5'7" and 200 pounds - or a linebacker who is 6' and 275 or something... I'm talking about the kid who is 5'5" and 450+ pounds, etc. It is scary and sad and we as decent people need to help fix the system...education, improving programs, etc. It breaks my heart, but I've seen it firsthand.

You can't fix what isn't broken. The system isn't the problem. My eating habits are literally poverty level in cost, especially when cutting weight, and you've seen what I did to myself. Also, as Mark Twain famously said, "everything has it's limits; iron ore cannot be educated into gold". We've been cramming the needed information into people forever, but they just aren't listening.

By this I can only assume you mean "eat less and move more" and "eat plenty of healthy whole grains" and "replace butter with margarine" and "replace saturated fat with vegetable oil" and "a calorie is a calorie" etc.

Following that advice is what has caused the problem. If you look at the government's own stats, red meat consumption is down, grain consumption is up, butter consumption is down, veg oil consumption is up.

What we need is the RIGHT advice. To some extent, a kid can out exercise a bad diet....for a while. I did it. However, that can't go on forever. Eventually the bad diet will catch up to anyone.

Define "bad diet" for me. Considering some of the things you listed, you'd probably be shocked to know that I can, have and do manipulate my bodyweight on a constant basis using nearly identical food types. I adjust quantities up and down in specific things, depending upon my goals at the time. These things include oats, cereals, potatoes, eggs, and many other things that at least one groups will tell you is responsible for the obesity epidemic. Why am I able to do this? Activity versus consumption. Ask anyone who has followed my feed: I am able to accomplish what I set out to do, every time, without fail, and I am always accurate to within a week or two on when I will land at said goals.

It's almost like the body will react in a rather predictable manner, if people would actually pay attention. Seriously, ask the average person what they even ate yesterday, and they'd either draw a blank, or miss a whole bunch of stuff. *kitten*, I can tell you what I ate on Tuesday of last week, without even looking at my diary. It's really hard to blame any food type, when most people don't actually know what the hell they are eating.

@Gallowmere1984 - You seem to be one of the lucky ones who has restored your metabolism without ending up in the diabetes or other end of the pool. Not everyone's body will bounce back that way, regardless of time overweight or overconsuming. Genetics is a huge part too...

This is true, but do you honestly believe that such a huge swath of people happened to draw the shortest straw? The actual disease statistics are laughably low, when you bounce it off of the wall of obesity that the world population is becoming. The only thing dysfunctional in most, is their self-control.

Now, for those with legitimate medical conditions, I agree with even someone as out there as Fung. His clinic gets results, no matter how weird his methods may seem to some. But in a way, he disproves your point a bit as well, because though the process is longer, his protocols have produced great results even in those with real metabolic conditions, and not just lazy people with a case of "muh thyroid".