Oatmeal or no oatmeal
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@RalfLott Wow, really? Why, if docs are telling patients to go low carb .
Well, there aren't that many docs on board, either.
I have talked with around 10 dietitians/nutritionists and have found just 1 who really knows her stuff and is supportive of LC.
By analogy, it took 15 years after irrefutable studies were published before physicians incorporated H. Pylori tests and antibiotics into their treatment of ulcers....
Health care pros tend to move at glacial speeds, if they move at all, to embrace new ideas and insights that don't line up with what they learned in school or with what everyone else is doing, and few of them pay much attention to what their patients tell them.
In the case of diabetes, prediabetes, and metabolic syndrome, the American Diabetes Association has for decades dispensed advice almost guaranteed to lead people into lifelong insulin habits. Inertia, fear of liability, and extremely lucrative revenue streams from pharmaceutical and food companies (like its "partner", Coca-Cola
) are probably to blame.
For a collection of horrible advice to diabetics....
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10346123/official-diabetes-diet-misinformation-any-candidates-for-the-darwin-awards
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Well this is an eye opener. I shouldn't be surprised though. I've always thought the powers that be are out to poison us.1
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Well this is an eye opener. I shouldn't be surprised though. I've always thought the powers that be are out to poison us.
The ADA is definitely not out to find a cure for diabetes.... You can search high and (mostly) low on the ADA's website and IRS 501(c)(3) returns and barely find a mention of the C-word, and even then, it's only in passing. (WTF...
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On a positive note, you might enjoy a good guidebook - for anyone with concerns about blood glucose, Dr. Bernstein's book is fantastic.
But you can also catch dozens of his highly insightful videos on YouTube (search for "Bernstein diabetes university").
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baconslave wrote: »I hate oatmeal. in no form do I enjoy it. Texture is gross, taste is gross, barf-o-rama. But my kids and husband love it. LOVE IT. Would eat it daily. Steel cut, rolled, anything but instant they love it so we have it around but I wouldn't know what to do with it if it jumped out of the cupboard and said "EAT ME!" I'd probably just chuck it in the bin and tell it to quit scaring me.
This is me. It is vile. Makes me gag.
That's funny. I like it fine, only steel cut (texture thing), more in savory preparations than sweet, but mostly I find it pleasant but bland (which is something I sometimes enjoy). I don't crave it (except on rare occasion when I'm sick I want that blandness), don't miss it, prefer eggs most days, but to me it's unremarkable enough that I can't understand people having a strong reaction to it. (It's like when a friend told me she hated celery. Celery? It's just kind of unnoticeable.)
I just think taste things are funny, though -- I really hate cold cereal, all kinds, with milk or without, and even though you'd think I'd consider that boring and unremarkable I have a rather strong negative reaction to it (probably because it was pushed on me as a kid and everyone else seems to love it). Oh, well. ;-)
Anyway, if doing oats with lower carb/high fat macros I'd do a savory preparation (with an egg) or else take advantage of the ability to have nuts in it. For OP, if you feel good despite eating it and aren't hungry soon after, maybe the fiber is sufficient to balance it or it just isn't something you react to, since glucose response seems to vary.1 -
Funny reading through this. Oatmeal is like crack to me - LOL! Any form, all kinds. I would eat it until my stomach explodes. Plain, cream and sugar, hot, cold, salted, just butter, brown sugar and raisins - you get the idea. I haven't kept in my house for about 6 years because I can't be around it. Super weird, I know. I've even eaten handfuls of it dry & uncooked right out of the container. There, I said it - full confession.9
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Well this is an eye opener. I shouldn't be surprised though. I've always thought the powers that be are out to poison us.
The ADA is definitely not out to find a cure for diabetes.... You can search high and (mostly) low on the ADA's website and IRS 501(c)(3) returns and barely find a mention of the C-word, and even then, it's only in passing. (WTF... )
On a positive note, you might enjoy a good guidebook - for anyone with concerns about blood glucose, Dr. Bernstein's book is fantastic.
But you can also catch dozens of his highly insightful videos on YouTube (search for "Bernstein diabetes university").
What do you expect from an organization that blatantly calls T2D a chronic and progressive disease? It's like they've never noticed that a year of table pushaways and fork putdowns will fix it 100% of the time. Granted, "stop stuffing your face" doesn't do much to sell synthetic insulin in the long run.2 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Well this is an eye opener. I shouldn't be surprised though. I've always thought the powers that be are out to poison us.
The ADA is definitely not out to find a cure for diabetes.... You can search high and (mostly) low on the ADA's website and IRS 501(c)(3) returns and barely find a mention of the C-word, and even then, it's only in passing. (WTF... )
On a positive note, you might enjoy a good guidebook - for anyone with concerns about blood glucose, Dr. Bernstein's book is fantastic.
But you can also catch dozens of his highly insightful videos on YouTube (search for "Bernstein diabetes university").
What do you expect from an organization that blatantly calls T2D a chronic and progressive disease? It's like they've never noticed that a year of table pushaways and fork putdowns will fix it 100% of the time. Granted, "stop stuffing your face" doesn't do much to sell synthetic insulin in the long run.
I expect further sophistry and illusion (and that's the extent of my optimism). .
Where the *kitten* are the fancy *kitten* brochures on fasting, fighting carb addiction, avoiding hypos on LC diets, and tight BG control?
We'd be better off if all "charities" had a limited shelf-life and some, any sense of urgency to accomplish their professed purposes before they pumpkin (rather than self-perpetuating and feathering the nests of their overpaid stewards.... ).0 -
Funny I had oats yesterday with cocoa, full cream milk and cream! I have gone low carb and for the last 3 weeks have been having a fried egg with processed cheese on for breakfast so I classed the oats as a cheat but it was so nice! I think it was about 30 carbs in total and I was craving sugar all day but this may be a monthly thing. The egg seems better for keeping me satiated. If you wanted to be in ketosis I don't think oats are allowed as your carbs need to be under 50 or even 20! So far it seems easier to me to be very low carb as once they start creeping in (even if I ate just a carrot) the sugar craving carb train starts and I obssess about sweet things all day.
It sounds like you are still getting used to low carb if you don't feel right so need more time to adjust. Just my unqualified opinion.1 -
Funny reading through this. Oatmeal is like crack to me - LOL! Any form, all kinds. I would eat it until my stomach explodes. Plain, cream and sugar, hot, cold, salted, just butter, brown sugar and raisins - you get the idea. I haven't kept in my house for about 6 years because I can't be around it. Super weird, I know. I've even eaten handfuls of it dry & uncooked right out of the container. There, I said it - full confession.
You are not alone. I've eaten it by the dry handful myself. Pleased to meet you.
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SuperCarLori wrote: »Funny reading through this. Oatmeal is like crack to me - LOL! Any form, all kinds. I would eat it until my stomach explodes. Plain, cream and sugar, hot, cold, salted, just butter, brown sugar and raisins - you get the idea. I haven't kept in my house for about 6 years because I can't be around it. Super weird, I know. I've even eaten handfuls of it dry & uncooked right out of the container. There, I said it - full confession.
You are not alone. I've eaten it by the dry handful myself. Pleased to meet you.
I lived on those little instant oatmeal pouches as a kid. Maple sugar or peaches and cream? I ate them dry too.
OP, I am lchf for BG reasons too. I won't touch oatmeal because I assume it will raise my BG. My morning numbers tend to be higher than I would like anyways so adding carbs to that does it help. KWIM?
Are you testing BG? I am curious how oatmeal is affecting you.
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Regular instant oatmeal makes my blood sugar go up to about 180 or 190 after 2 hours, which is honestly the highest I've ever seen it, and I feel like CRAP. I'm out of test strips, so haven't tested with the Superfoods stuff, but don't feel like crap. I do get more of an urge for Elevensies, whereas if I eat salami and mozzarella instead, I don't feel the urge for Second Breakfast or Elevensies and am good until lunch.
However, the blends with the nuts and seeds in it as well (Q'ia, which has no actual oatmeal in it, or Superfoods Oatmeal, which has oatmeal with pumpkin seeds and nuts and such) don't do it, even with a few raisins for sweetness and some coconut milk powder.
I do, however, regulate it very closely to prevent it from creeping up on me. I put 40g of the oatmeal mix in the jar, then 10g raisins, then 10 g coconut milk powder. I set up a bunch of jars at once, then just add hot water to them in the morning.
Note: I am not currently eating low carb. I'm taking small steps towards lowering my carbs, but am definitely not there yet.0 -
Regular instant oatmeal makes my blood sugar go up to about 180 or 190 after 2 hours, which is honestly the highest I've ever seen it, and I feel like CRAP. I'm out of test strips, so haven't tested with the Superfoods stuff, but don't feel like crap. I do get more of an urge for Elevensies, whereas if I eat salami and mozzarella instead, I don't feel the urge for Second Breakfast or Elevensies and am good until lunch.
However, the blends with the nuts and seeds in it as well (Q'ia, which has no actual oatmeal in it, or Superfoods Oatmeal, which has oatmeal with pumpkin seeds and nuts and such) don't do it, even with a few raisins for sweetness and some coconut milk powder.
I do, however, regulate it very closely to prevent it from creeping up on me. I put 40g of the oatmeal mix in the jar, then 10g raisins, then 10 g coconut milk powder. I set up a bunch of jars at once, then just add hot water to them in the morning.
Note: I am not currently eating low carb. I'm taking small steps towards lowering my carbs, but am definitely not there yet.
Freezing/refrigerating the oatmeal after cooking lowers it's rapid spiking of blood sugar as well. I've started not even cooking mine recently. 175g whole milk greek yogurt, a half cup of kefir, about 71g of rolled oats, half cup of water, 30-50g of almond slivers, 150g of strawberries or blueberries, and stick it in the fridge for a few hours. Better texture as well, imo.
Obviously the numbers can he scaled down from my 700-900 kcal batch as well. Bulking and all of that.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »baconslave wrote: »I hate oatmeal. in no form do I enjoy it. Texture is gross, taste is gross, barf-o-rama. But my kids and husband love it. LOVE IT. Would eat it daily. Steel cut, rolled, anything but instant they love it so we have it around but I wouldn't know what to do with it if it jumped out of the cupboard and said "EAT ME!" I'd probably just chuck it in the bin and tell it to quit scaring me.
This is me. It is vile. Makes me gag.
That's funny. I like it fine, only steel cut (texture thing), more in savory preparations than sweet, but mostly I find it pleasant but bland (which is something I sometimes enjoy). I don't crave it (except on rare occasion when I'm sick I want that blandness), don't miss it, prefer eggs most days, but to me it's unremarkable enough that I can't understand people having a strong reaction to it. (It's like when a friend told me she hated celery. Celery? It's just kind of unnoticeable.)
I just think taste things are funny, though -- I really hate cold cereal, all kinds, with milk or without, and even though you'd think I'd consider that boring and unremarkable I have a rather strong negative reaction to it (probably because it was pushed on me as a kid and everyone else seems to love it). Oh, well. ;-)
Anyway, if doing oats with lower carb/high fat macros I'd do a savory preparation (with an egg) or else take advantage of the ability to have nuts in it. For OP, if you feel good despite eating it and aren't hungry soon after, maybe the fiber is sufficient to balance it or it just isn't something you react to, since glucose response seems to vary.
It's hilarious.
People are so funny about food sometimes. Watching the difference between my 4 kids...foods one loves, the others won't touch with a pole. I have 1 kid who eats raw tomatoes like apples; another abhors tomatoes, raw or cooked, unless they are in spaghetti or pizza sauce. The funniest is my brother-in-law, who, every time husband's family has mashed potatoes, gets his own bowl of the potatoes before they are mashed. Just boiled, but potatoes, with butter and salt. I tease him that he is afraid of mashed potatoes. A 30-something-year-old, 6-ft tall man, afraid of potatoes mashed. But I get it. Taste/texture can be powerful. Oatmeal and okra for me. And soup...ew. But that's due to a weird pregnancy aversion I developed with one of the kids that never left. I used to hate pumpkin pie, started craving it during my 2nd pregnancy, got an aversion to it forever in my 3rd. I will forever NEVER eat eggplant again after my mom made a terrible eggplant lasagna that gave me acid reflux for 2 days.
I do not like Japanese/Chinese food any longer after having food poisoning from eating fried rice, sesame chicken, and the shrimp sauce. 
Psychology, biochemistry, and the senses are fascinating.
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I LOVE oatmeal, and when I was eating it I ate it with a scoop of my chocolate protein powder, a little bit of unsweetened coconut, pecans and blueberries. OMG, soooo good. Even my son started begging me to make it for him, and he didn't even like oatmeal before that. I recently tried a flax/chia seed "noatmeal" recipe, but it wasn't the same. It was ok, but it wasn't oatmeal.1
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