Low carb without ketosis
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ann900mfp
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Anyone doing low carb without going into ketosis I'm.interested in low carb but don't want to go so low that it starts to affect me read of some terrible symptoms when u go two low
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Anyone doing low carb without going into ketosis I'm.interested in low carb but don't want to go so low that it starts to affect me read of some terrible symptoms when u go two low
ALL COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE if you simply get enough salt every day...between 3000mg-5000mg of salt (not kidding)!
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OK so just enough salt will stop any side affects3
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There are lots of people here doing low carb but not keto. I am carb cycling so my carb limit is either 50g or 164g depending on the day. Definitely not keto levels.3
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OK thanks I'm going to try lowering my carbs1
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@ann900mfp I have been LCHF since late 2014 mainly staying in nutritional ketosis by eating just under 50 grams of carbs daily. When I eat enough whole fruit to kick me out of ketosis my former carb cravings do not come rushing back I will naturally increase my fat and protein thereby gaining weight due to eating more healthy calorie sources.
I can keep my carbs below 50 grams daily but if I eat over 100 grams of protein that extra glucose production can knock me out of a state of nutritional ketosis.
While <150 grams of carbs daily is Low Carb I found in my case to try and reverse IR (Insulin Resistance), cataracts while improving my objective health markers keeping my carbs under 50 grams daily with protein in the 75 gram range works best for this old man.
The WOE at works for you is what you are looking for. My Way Of Eating or the WOE of others may not be what you need but trial and error over a few years will show you your best WOE option I expect but remember that WOE is subject to change over time but your body will communicate that to your brain.
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what side effects are you concerned about? but yes you can do low carb without striving for ketosis. low carb has a wide range definition of 0-100 grams per day.0
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I'm doing 50-100 g. I've been closer to 50 and suspect that's enough for ketosis for me, but I don't care if I'm in ketosis or not.1
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I'm doing 50-100 g. I've been closer to 50 and suspect that's enough for ketosis for me, but I don't care if I'm in ketosis or not.
Yep - so many people number one dont understand Ketosis and think you have to be in it to be low carb. No the case. Funny this obsession with Ketosis. Simply be a low carber and see how it goes. If your not getting the results you expect/want. Go lower on the carbs to see if that works for ya.
I am with @Lemucart12 dont worry about it.0 -
I'm doing ketosis after years of just low carb. You could get everything you want from a dietary change just from going low carb, I'm sure. I also think it's possible you could try low carb, then try keto and feel you get no benefit from either.
I think that finding the right diet/exercise plan is a lot of throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. It's true of your whole life, I think.No one can construct for you the bridge upon which precisely you must cross the stream of life, no one but you yourself alone. - Nietzsche1 -
My hubby is lower carb. I say "lower" because he is a carb junkie! He loves everything carbs. I make his lunch and dinner for him everyday and it's predominantly low carb. He doesn't track, but I would say he eats anywhere between 100g-150g carbs per day.
He won't give up his McDonald's coffee with 5 creams and 5 sugars...
He won't give us his nightly sweet craving of Reese's Puffs cereal with sugar free chocolate chip cookies thrown in...
As of right now, he is maintaining his weight without exercise and eating lower carb.
But, fortunately for him, he drops weight so quickly when he does decide to lower his carb intake for a few days.
He cannot and will not do keto. More bacon and peanut butter for me
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Thanks everyone going to go low carb but not two low at first then see if I'm OK with going lower not ready to give up my chips just yet1
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Thanks everyone going to go low carb but not two low at first then see if I'm OK with going lower not ready to give up my chips just yet
At any level of low carb under 150g you'll likely still need to increase sodium. Even without the nateuresis of ketosis your body will not retain sodium at the same level it does on a high carb diet and keeping sodium levels right is very important to total health.
When you eat fewer carbs, your body makes less insulin. Insulin plays a role in sodium retention. With the lower insulin levels you'll lose sodium more easily. You just lose it even more easily with ketosis because of the even lower insulin level and the diuretic effect of keto. So, basically the lower carb you go, the more sodium you need.
For some reason though, going completely zero carb seems to have less of need for specific supplementation in most people. I still specifically seek out extra sodium on zero carb but I have found my needs were actually higher on 20-30g total keto levels. I don't fully understand that but it seems common among ZC folks.
Anyway, sodium deficiency is the cause of all the terrible side effects youngear about keto. It's not the ketones that are responsible. It's low sodium and the fact that most people either don't know you need it or don't accept this as a fact.
https://www.jonnybowden.com/salt-and-the-low-carb-diet/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WNV0GJcrqp4
https://chriskresser.com/shaking-up-the-salt-myth-the-dangers-of-salt-restriction/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=share&utm_term=salt-restriction-danger&utm_content=&utm_campaign=blog
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4546722/Salt-won-t-heart-attack-says-scientist.html#ixzz4iEj2j6tZ
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4546722/Salt-won-t-heart-attack-says-scientist.html#ixzz4iEj2j6tZ
But, regardless, keto isn't necessary for weight loss. Many people choose it because they actually find they feel best at that level.
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For me, the bad symptoms kept coming and going, even though i ate a lot of salt. Taking Keto Core supplements has really made me feel normal. I highly recommend.0
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I've had to gradually decrease my carbs, because other health issues I have were being worsened by ketosis. I started in January at about 150gm/ day, and decreased it by 10gm/day each week that I felt fine. I'm down to about 80gm/ day, and trying some days at 50. My appetite is finally backing off at this level, and I'm very slowly starting to lose weight. You may have better results-- the meds and infusions I'm on have been impacting my weight quite a bit- to maintain and simply not gain is a win for me lately.5
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Salt in an of its self isn't enough to replenish your electrolytes, from what I have read. It is equally important to ensure you are getting adequate amounts, varies by person, of potassium and magnesium. Just and fyi, and there is a LOT of info on the net on these minerals. Please remember these are elements which are flushed from your body throughout the day, and just taking a supplement in the morning isn't enough. To help me out on my keto journey I take a supplement of potassium every other trip to the water closet, and at least two supplements a day of magnesium, in conjunction with sodium replacement via bullion. Just my 2 cents;etx5
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@scottyp65 makes an important point. I've found I need to "dose" my sodium through out the day. I don't supplement Potassium as it seems to do more harm than good for me. I suspect I get enough for me personally, through foods. I've also found that if I'm feeling a "false" sense of hunger, a bit of salt dissolved on my tongue seems to send my brain signals that I'm eating and that gnawing desire to put food in my mouth goes away.
Finding the right levels requires a bit of personal experimentation. What works well for one will not work for another. Though, it is clear everyone needs additional salt. My husband is not trying for a low carb lifestyle. However, because I am very low carb he ends up being rather low carb by nature of our shared kitchen etc. He has even noticed an increased need for sodium and electrolyte balancing.4 -
That's true that salt isn't enough to replenish already deficient electrolytes but if you keep sodium up the others aren't dumped in an effort to keep them in balance. So keeping sodium your priority can prevent the others becoming low in the first place.
Anyone looking to supplement potassium, please be aware of the potentially fatal effects of overdose. Sodium and magnesium don't do anything more than give you diarrhea upon overdose but potassium is dangerous so dose appropriately. They only sell potassium in 90mg for a reason.5 -
Great info, but I have a question, I am supposed to be on the dash sodium level, after a mini stroke in April, tried that and conventional low fat 1200 cal , exercise aqua therapy minimum of 3 days a week. Lost 3 pounds in a month. Then decided to go on Atkins induction and still try to watch my sodium but it is double what dash calls for. But I have been getting leg cramps at the end of my water workouts. And I lost 11 pounds in the first 14 days which I realize is some water weight also. How do I safely increase my sodium to prevent the leg cramps ? is that possible. TIA
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