say a little about your thyroid issues

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  • Ruzuki
    Ruzuki Posts: 136 Member
    Im 21 and I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 4 months ago. Im not sure how long I have had it, but from the symptoms I know of it, I think Ive had it a long time. Ive had sleeping problems since I was 7, started gaining weight at about 10 for no reason (I was a soccer player! I had to quit when I couldnt run anymore from the weight gain and resulting asthma...), and have had irregular periods since I first got it, at 14. Ive been on sleep meds, energy meds, antidepressants, and hormone regulators for years now. Last year, I started experiencing severe muscle cramps, to the point where I could barely move and was afraid to even stretch too much, not wanting to trigger more pain. I thought I was dying, or had tetnis or something, but I couldnt afford to see a doctor at the time. Eventually, I got accepted for medical insurance and began seeing a doctor, but by then the weird muscle problems had vanished (Me and my boyfriend thought that it might have been caused by low iron... when we could afford to buy meat again, it seemed to go away.)
    Mainly my doctor tackled my problem with constant headaches and frequent migraines, but I expressed concern about my still irregular periods, and eventually she decided to look into it. (I was 21! They could no longer say that it was just because I was a teen and that it would go away.) After a few tests they found out that my TSH levels were in the 40s! So they put me on meds, and the doctor is still working on finding the right dosage for me. There was a few problems in the beginning since I was allergic to Levothyroxine and the doctor was afraid I might be allergic to the rest too, but I have had no negative reactions to Synthroid. So far, Ive noticed I have a bit more energy, but have yet to see the weight loss that the doctor promised... I still feel lethargic in the morning, still have trouble getting to sleep at night, still feel cold unless its boiling, still have NO sex drive (Maybe its just that the guys I hang out with I have NO attraction to... or guys Ive been with just suck at sex...).... Hopefully though that will go away, and Im glad they found this now, instead of waiting to find it till Im 30...

    But yea... Main point is if you think there is something wrong, push it! If I hadnt insisted that they investigate my irregular periods they wouldnt have found this problem till much later!
  • shakybabe
    shakybabe Posts: 1,578 Member
    Hi

    I was born with Congenital Hypothyroidism which was found when I was 23 months old. My doctor kept me on high dose so as to not stunt my growth and I was active so I never had weight problems until I hit my thirties and developed a rare neurological condition which caused mobility problems.

    I also had problems with my body converting T4 to T3 and it dropped dangerously low at one point I had severe fatigue. I went up to 16 stone but when they got my meds right and i got more energy and took up wheelchair sports and got weight back down.

    My condition did progress unfortunately and some meds they put me on meant I regained some weight but this time only got to 12st 7 when I decided to come off them (muscle relaxants) as I have stiffness, balance & co-ordination problems and involuntary muscle movement from my condition.

    I went on intensive Neuro physio program involving lots of exercise to re-learn how to control muscles and regain co-ordination etc and lost 32lbs so far. I'm now down to 10st 3 and have a stone left to go to reach my goal weight.

    I found going low carb helped kickstart my system and at first cut out bread etc completely, however cos of energy my body uses from my condition my doctor asked me to try wheat free alternatives rather than just eliminating them altogether as my body needs the extra calories.. so I'm no longer calorie counting but doing mostly wheat free/clean eating (except for the odd gluten free brownie and brandy & coke :wink: )

    I'm 42 now and have been wheelchair user since I was 35.

    Leigh
    aka shakybabe
  • Hey! Hashimoto's vicitm here. Okay, not a victim, since everything we experience can be for our good. I do have hashimoto's, and boy am I going to be SOOOO good one day, for all I get to experience! I have handled my weight just fine for a little under 30 years. This September I turned 40 and celebrated my 2 year anniversary of surviving a brain aneurysm. And then, suddenly, I had gained something around 25 pounds! I have never put on that much weight, and this happened in about two months time! I didn't change my eating habits, I've always been a pretty careful eater. I did change my exercise habits. I took a month off from the gym and did a lot of sleeping from head pain, but one month of just not exercising leading to 25 pounds??? It HAS to be the hashimotos! :) I don't know what else could cause it. I've had all the scary stuff checked and I'm tumor, diabetes, kidney, etc free. Just exploded and got fat all the sudden. Sooooo, I'm here, and very glad there are others around that understand the difficulty this auto immune presents to weight loss. I'm hoping that with your help and your successes I can find my own success as well. Here's to us!
  • You mentioned something about gaining weight on muscle relaxants? Really? If so, how long were you on them? Sorry if I bother, I was just surprised by that, as I have been on muscle relaxants for several months now.
  • shakybabe
    shakybabe Posts: 1,578 Member
    I tried a few different meds for about a year but I put on a stone after it had taken me ages to get from 16 st to 11st 7.

    The involuntary movements freaked me out at first and I didn't want my arms or legs moving unless I wanted them to move, then I met someone online who has athetoid CP and problems maintaining his weight and realised that I'd burn more just getting through the day so stopped taking them.

    Weight loss was still slow but maybe cos I was also eating too much carbs and wheat. Once I dropped those the weight started dropping off, the physio helped my stiffness and I found out quite by accident that the involuntary twitches stop if I do something where I don't stop moving my arms for a bit like tennis and boxing on Wii. It also seemed to tire my muscles a little so they weren't as bad for the rest of day so I now exercise first thing every morning.

    Thy are still classed as mild and I think my thyroid also slows my weight loss down which I guess will be an advantage and make it easier to maintain once I get to my goal weight. I have Ataxia (balance and co-ordination problems) with Dystonia ( the involuntary twitches & stiffening of limbs).
  • Hi all!

    I am 43, new mom to a 16month old boy and was diagnosed with thyroid cancer August 2011. I had my thyroid removed and now it is time to let go of some chubbiness still around from my pregnancy.
  • Hi Wendy -

    I had my entire thyroid removed last year because of cancer.
    I strongly recommend that you see an endocrinologist for your thyroid care. I have never heard of someone not getting medication even after a partial thyroid removal.
    Message me if you want to talk.
    Take care of yourself.
  • hi there,

    So glad to have found this group!

    I'm Natasha and I'm not exactly sure what is going on with my thyroid at the moment, except that I just cannot shift the weight despite strict dieting and lots of exercise.

    Last year after giving birth to my daughter my thyroid went overactive - I had thyrotoxicosis and it caused sleeplessness and anxiety to such a critical level that I had a psychosis and ended up in hospital. I experienced what my endocrinologist called a 'thyroid storm'. The only benefit of this horrible experience was very easy weight loss.

    But as soon as my thyroid levels corrected I stacked on weight (8 kilograms or about 17 pounds in less than three months). I haven't been able to shift this weight ever since.

    I am not on medication for my thyroid since after the post-partum thyrotoxicosis my levels actually evened out of their own accord. However since I have been trying hard to shift the weight, and not having any success, I am starting to suspect that my thryoid may have over-corrected itself and gone underactive. I am planning on having my levels checked next week and going back to see my doctor.

    Looking forward to sharing this struggle with some ladies who know how hard it can be.
  • Amers54
    Amers54 Posts: 3 Member
    I see most peopel on here have hypothyroidism. I'm the opposite. I have hyperthyroidism. Unfortunately I am in the small percent who gained instead of lost. Now that I'm on medication and my levels are getting close to normal I'm gaining like crazy. I'm on PTU and also heart meds that have also contributed to my weight gain. Anyone else hyperthyroid?
  • melg126
    melg126 Posts: 378
    Hi everyone... I was just diagnosed this week with Hashimoto. My doctor has yet to put my on any meds. She wants me to come in next month to have my levels checked again. I too was found to have a nodule via ultrasound. I am also diagnosed with PCOS. Mamma mia!!! haha

    I'm actually pretty confused in all of this. :frown: :ohwell:

    I have been struggling with my results but at the same time am happy. Is that possible? But I am because I don't feel so frustrated not knowing what was wrong with me.

    I feel with watching my calories I will hopefully start shedding the pounds. Also, being consistent with the exercise which is easier said than done! :smile:
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    I see most peopel on here have hypothyroidism. I'm the opposite. I have hyperthyroidism. Unfortunately I am in the small percent who gained instead of lost. Now that I'm on medication and my levels are getting close to normal I'm gaining like crazy. I'm on PTU and also heart meds that have also contributed to my weight gain. Anyone else hyperthyroid?

    I don't know anyone that is hyperthyroid -- I thought they were all skinny!! Any chance your current issues are menopausal? From age 50-55 while I was in menopause, I gained almost 50 pounds. I did have hypothyroidism then, but I was taking estrogen and other meds for menopause and blew up like a balloon. Just thinking out loud. If you want to invite me as a friend and share your food diary, maybe we can help each other.
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    I forgot, I wanted to mention to this forum about Reverse T3 (RT3). If you have too much RT3, you can have serious hypo symptoms even though your TSH is normal. I'm waiting for my labs to come back on RT3.
    Most endos and doctors only check for T4. You need to ask them to check Free T3, Reverse T3 and Thyroid Antibodies.

    Hold the doctor accountable -- and if they won't do it, fire them and hire another. If you have symptoms, pain, weight gain, hair loss, brain fog, insomnia, constipation, anxiety, palpitations, etc. and you are on Synthroid or other T4 replacement, your doctor owes you solutions to your symptoms. Not just your T4 lab test.

    These sites have more info

    http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/
    http://thyroid-rt3.com/
  • MsALMill
    MsALMill Posts: 75 Member
    Wow so much information here and I'm so glad of that. I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's this morning and put on a small dosage of levothyroxin to start. I've had PCOS for about the last 5 years and have been obese for as long as I can remember no matter how active I am/was. I started here on MFP last May and lost some and then in July was prescribed phentermine to help me speed up my metabolism because my RMR was about 500 lower than most women my age and all. I also had an ultrasound at this time and a tumor was found on my thyroids. Since May I've been lucky enough to have cut my calories enough to lose 70 pounds. The last few months though I've had hot flashes in the evenings and have been losing tons of hair when i brush it or wash it (unfortunately not the facial hair from the PCOS) so I brought it up to my doctor at my check in last week. She had tons of blood work done and this morning was given the diagnosis and immediately they sent a prescription for 3 months in. Hoping this doesn't hurt me in any way and praying it helps me so very much.
  • lmelangley
    lmelangley Posts: 1,039 Member
    Hi guys! I'm Linda- 48 years old and come from a line of women with hypothyroidism - 2 older sisters and 4 aunts. I've been on meds for 10+ years and have been pretty stable, overall. About a year ago, I started to develop a goiter on the left side of my neck that's pressing on a nerve leading to my vocal chords. This causes me to always sound like I have a frog in my throat.

    Here's an odd situation and a question for the group. Around the time my goiter started to develop, I started to have issues with my left ear. The doctors have blamed it on water on the eardrum which can take several months to go away, but it keeps recurring and now has a new twist. Basically, it'll periodically start sounding in that ear like someone's making popcorn. The noise will become increasingly frenetic and then all of a sudden, the popping will stop and I'll hear a noise like a balloon deflating. I'm wondering if the goiter can press on a nerve, could it also be pushing on my eustacian tube? Has anything ever heard of something like that? I want to push my doctor if it's a possibility, but I haven't located anything online about it.
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    Hi guys! I'm Linda- 48 years old and come from a line of women with hypothyroidism - 2 older sisters and 4 aunts. I've been on meds for 10+ years and have been pretty stable, overall. About a year ago, I started to develop a goiter on the left side of my neck that's pressing on a nerve leading to my vocal chords. This causes me to always sound like I have a frog in my throat.

    Here's an odd situation and a question for the group. Around the time my goiter started to develop, I started to have issues with my left ear. The doctors have blamed it on water on the eardrum which can take several months to go away, but it keeps recurring and now has a new twist. Basically, it'll periodically start sounding in that ear like someone's making popcorn. The noise will become increasingly frenetic and then all of a sudden, the popping will stop and I'll hear a noise like a balloon deflating. I'm wondering if the goiter can press on a nerve, could it also be pushing on my eustacian tube? Has anything ever heard of something like that? I want to push my doctor if it's a possibility, but I haven't located anything online about it.

    I also have problems with my left ear- a pain that runs up the back of my ear. I also have chronic ringing in my right ear and slight hearing loss in both ears. And headaches.. I don't have a goiter, but I feel your pain. Hypothyroidism has dozens of symptoms because your thyroid controls most of your metabolism - skin, hair, nails, heart, cholesterol, blood pressure, weight, joints. Doctors either don't or won't recognize and connect these symptoms to the thyroid.

    I know I sound like a broken record, but please check out: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
    Or just this one page of the site with the list of some of the symptoms:
    http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

    I am reading the book "Stop the Thyroid Madness"... I don't have symptoms as bad as some of the people in the book, but after 15 years on Synthroid, I know I have suffered more than I needed to.

    In the past doctor told me my ear issues was probably "nerve damage" or Meniere's disease. My Naturopath believes it's caused by my thyroid. Time will tell as he gets me regulated and as I get off of the Lipitor and Synthroid.

    p.s. I have a friend who takes statins for Cholesterol -- he gets bad pain in his neck and ears from it. Something else to consider.
  • I see most peopel on here have hypothyroidism. I'm the opposite. I have hyperthyroidism. Unfortunately I am in the small percent who gained instead of lost. Now that I'm on medication and my levels are getting close to normal I'm gaining like crazy. I'm on PTU and also heart meds that have also contributed to my weight gain. Anyone else hyperthyroid?

    Yes, I was hyperthyroid last year. See my post above. I did lose weight while hyperthyroid, but stacked it on at a rate of knots once my thyroid corrected itself, and having a lot of trouble shifting all the weight I've gained.
  • hi everyone my name is ina and i am 48 yrs old. i was diagnosed with a goiter a irregular heart beat and a heart murmur and graves disease when i was in grade 6
    i had a severely over active thyroid to the point where you could see my heart pounding and i could not gain weight and was able to stay awake for days at a time.. so I was an out patient for most of my childhood at the childrens hospital.then when i was 22 and still a patient at the childrens hospital my docotrs recomended another endocrinologist who reccomended they fix the problem and treated my over active thyroid with radio active iodine.. there was no explanations of anything it was just done and my thyroid levels were in normal as i was not put back on meds . so i thought everything was great i could finally lead a normal life without meds.
    but having a treated thyroid i was not told to avoid soy products, avoid Raw Broccoli cabbage peaches - - there are a few others.. and i was eating all of those things thinking these are healthy... wrong..
    those foods have goitrens that are great helping to slow down a hyperthyroid but dangerous for a treated thyroid - in 2007 my bodys metabolism crashed- and i had brain fog memory loss, confusion, angry, fatigued constantly , colds that would never go away - i was always coughing up mucus.. aching joints hips shoulders knees. lack of sex drive - was falling alseep during sex . when i went to the doctor i was diagnosed with hypothyroidism.. the total opposite of what i had as a child , after 4 years on the generic version of synthroid i decided i had enough and demanded my doctor change my meds to dessicated thyroid hormone.. - they dont call it armour in canada.. for some reason..? ive changed a few things like eating sprouted grain bread instead of bread made with flours n sugars. more protein n veggies added hemp hearts to my breakfast as it helps my energy levels its high in fiber and keeps my energy levels up till suppertime.. . i try to limit my processed foods and try to eat organic dairy as much as possible. i bake many gluten free foods which seem to be easier on my body i do use coconut flour in my baking and coconut oil for when i need to stir fry or fry something. when i think im hungry i drink 2 glasses of water- then wait a while as sometimes its not that im hungry im actually dehydrated... ive learnt to drink at least 10 glasses of water a day and have also stopped using flouride toothpastes as the flouride interferes with how the thyroid gland works.
  • Hi... My thyroid seemed to break right after I had ACL surgery on my knee last year. I started watching my weight when I hurt my knee since I wasn't working out much, but even with a 1200 or so a day calorie diet I gained 15+ pounds in two weeks and had no energy :(.

    I really started tracking my weight but I wasn't going down and worse, it could change by as much as 7 to 10 pounds over the course of 24 hours. I finally (right before Christmas) seem to have found the right balance to my meds and stopped the weight bouncing. Now I am back tracking my food, exercise, and weight and while it is really really slow, it is starting to go down. And, even better, I am starting to feel like me again.

    It is nice to know I'm not alone.
  • shvits
    shvits Posts: 249 Member
    I have found that doctors who are not specialists can not handle thyroid problems. I encourage you go see an endocrinologist. I was hypothyroid for 40 years and took meds and then became slightly hyperthyroid for 5 years and just had surgery to remove 1/2 and now hypo again! I have had many experiences over the years and found that only a very good endocrinologist can handle these problems....(last year I changed from one who I felt was not right for me and lacked experience and knowledge). It is worth the money to get regular blood tests. Good luck
  • shvits
    shvits Posts: 249 Member
    Yes, I gained weigh toot!. I was hyper thyroid (slightly) for the previous 5-6 years...over productive nodules on thyroid. They watched and I waited and stalled. Not wanting radio active iodine. then found out before the radio active treatment that I was allergic to it. Tried anti thyroid meds. Has surgery 1 month ago to remove 1/2 and now taking synthroid. I GAINED weight when I was hyperthyroid, yes, it does happen. So nervous, anxious, all I cold think of was food. This has stopped since I had the surgery. Dr. Duh at UC Med. Ctr. San Francisco, one of the best thyroid surgeons in the world fixed me....hopefully will not need the other side out.
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    I have found that doctors who are not specialists can not handle thyroid problems. I encourage you go see an endocrinologist. I was hypothyroid for 40 years and took meds and then became slightly hyperthyroid for 5 years and just had surgery to remove 1/2 and now hypo again! I have had many experiences over the years and found that only a very good endocrinologist can handle these problems....(last year I changed from one who I felt was not right for me and lacked experience and knowledge). It is worth the money to get regular blood tests. Good luck

    Thanks, but I have found that most (not all) endocrinologists don't treat my symptoms. I have been hypothyroid since 1997 - had supposedly the best endos -- they just failed to tell me I had Hashimoto's and that my adrenals are suffering -- because they don't test for that. I have done tons of research on this disease, and in talking to the patients who get true relief from symptoms, they don't do it with Synthroid.
  • superrjo
    superrjo Posts: 112 Member
    Hey, I just joined this group - didnt realise there was one ! I was 13 when I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, after my mum was convinced I was trying to skip school after days and days of with nonspecific things as I felt too exhausted and run down to get out of bed. She got the fright of her life when my blood tests came back haha. I was very slim when I was in my early teens, so weight loss as a side effect was never really an issue for me, it was just pure fatigue, always cold, dry skin, I got headaches and stuff easily, some depression. I put weight on when I moved to university, and while I thought it was just a new lifestyle and living away from home, i began to feel like I did at the start of it all again, the fatigue was so bad I would fall asleep in the library, couldnt keep my eyes open in any lectures, fall asleep as soon as I got back to the flat. Went to my doctor and he upped my dosage of levothyroxine and did more blood tests, which revealed I also had a serious B12 deficieny, which can cause the fatigue too... After being put on the new medication for that and my upped dosage of levo, I was worried I was going to struggle to shift the weight I'd put on. I feel like I've not done too bad though, I started on here in late november, and since then I've dropped from 150 to 138. So... theres my life story haha, sorry, I didnt realise i rambled to much !
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    We see a lot of people that are diagnosed very young on this forum! Sounds like you are dealing with it ok.
  • escadachic
    escadachic Posts: 395 Member
    Hi, I'm Kelly. I'm 32(turning 33 in March)

    I got hypothyroidism with my last pregnancy, with my second child. They didn't pick it up til she was 8 months old. I also had really bad PND(post-natal depression) and I'd gained 27kgs during pregnancy. I was finding, I could only manage to lose 3kgs with the Atkin's diet and exercise. I did switch to low-g.i for a while. But I found that cost too much, trying to eat all low g.i foods. Anyway, I've lost 24kgs since I had my 2nd child. That's mainly just exercise and tracking my food on here. I still have 5kgs to lose to get to my goal weight. Frustratingly, I get to within 3kgs and can't get lower.

    I did initially find the meds seemed to help. They do on and off. I also get vertigo as a symptom. And if my iron levels get low, my vertigo gets pretty severe. I tend to have issues with depression on and off, so never know if it's the thyroid making it worse or not.

    I'm on 1 tablet per day of levothyroxine, I think that's about 50mgs. They just re-check my thyroid levels every 6 months. Haven't had to change my dosage for a while. I think I've been on 200mgs at one point, then 150mgs and now 50mgs.

    I still have issues with my hair falling out, weak nails, moodiness, anxiety.

    I find it is way harder for me to lose any weight with my thyroid issues. I used to have no trouble when I had a normal thyroid. I also have no sex drive. But that could be contraception causing that.
  • samhradh
    samhradh Posts: 297 Member
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19000

    Hi there please all UK members sign this petition.

    thanks
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    Wow! I did not realize that it was so difficult to get natural dessicated thyroid in UK!! In US, you can get it, just tough to find a doctor that will prescribe it.

    Kelly -- funny you mention vertigo. I have extreme and chronic vertigo -- had it 20 years before I was diagnosed with hypo. Doctors told me it was nerve damage, some said it was Meniere's disease. My Naturopath believes it is caused by the hypo -- he said most docs don't recognize it as a symptom of thyroid or adrenal issues.

    It's fairly common for hypothyroid and hashi patients to have adrenal problems - cortissol especially. I think they are at least partially responsible for the inability to lose weight. There's some self-tests you can do at: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ to get a sense if you have adrenal fatigue as well.

    Then there's the issues with ferritin, iron, B12, Vitamin D deficiency, etc.

    Our body is like an orchestra -- all the instruments have to play together. If the doctor is only treating TSH with synthetic T4, chances are high that we will continue to feel bad as the orchestra is out of tune!!
  • samhradh
    samhradh Posts: 297 Member
    Wow! I did not realize that it was so difficult to get natural dessicated thyroid in UK!! In US, you can get it, just tough to find a doctor that will prescribe it.

    Our body is like an orchestra -- all the instruments have to play together. If the doctor is only treating TSH with synthetic T4, chances are high that we will continue to feel bad as the orchestra is out of tune!!

    Love Love Love..... your last quote...

    It's even harder to get NDT in Ireland so far i have only found 1 Doctor that states he will prescribe it. His fees are extremely expensive €200 for first consult, €185 per visit thereafter and you must pay for all your tests, supplements and prescriptions on top of that. ,
    So for the next month i'm going to give the homoeopaths remedy a go, see how things are, review the latest blood work results they should be back in about 10 days. Then if i think it's more effective to go to this guy i will try to get an appointment. People who have used him have said that he is excellent but overall they spent on average €5000 to feel better. So no family holiday for us this year!!!!!!
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    Sending prayers your way -- I feel your pain!!
  • escadachic
    escadachic Posts: 395 Member
    I've only had the vertigo since developing hypothyroidism. I was always told, it was due to my thyroid problem. And unfortunately, when I happen to go on anti-depressants, it gets worse. So I pretty much have to live with an annoying amount of vertigo if I go on anti-depressants or just not be on them.

    Are there any supplements that anyone know's of that interact badly with thyroid issues?

    As I'm just trying to find good natural supplements to help me with my PMS and depression. But want to make sure I don't take anything that stuffs up my thyroid function.

    Do any of you find, that you get the worse PMS since you have had the thyroid problem?

    I get terrible PMS and get really irritable and moody.
  • tecallahan
    tecallahan Posts: 732 Member
    I've only had the vertigo since developing hypothyroidism. I was always told, it was due to my thyroid problem. And unfortunately, when I happen to go on anti-depressants, it gets worse. So I pretty much have to live with an annoying amount of vertigo if I go on anti-depressants or just not be on them.

    Are there any supplements that anyone know's of that interact badly with thyroid issues?

    As I'm just trying to find good natural supplements to help me with my PMS and depression. But want to make sure I don't take anything that stuffs up my thyroid function.

    Do any of you find, that you get the worse PMS since you have had the thyroid problem?

    I get terrible PMS and get really irritable and moody.

    I'm too old for PMS :laugh: -- but my Naturopath gave me PheniTropic for anxiety and stress - I take 2-3 capsules at lunch and before bed. He also gave me Natural Calm magnesium sulfate to aide with sleep. Melatonin is also safe to take - but of course will make you sleepy, so at night.
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