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avoid getting hungry in the first place by increasing your protein and fiber consumption.

Great Job!!

Don;t assume all judging is negative - I'm judging you positively for eating bacon every day - its a great low carb food that will help you feel full. Way to go!

I've had pretty severe low back pain at times. Losing weight definitely helps and so do back/core strengthening exercises. I tried inversion tables to help with spinal decomprerssion but hated hanging upside down. What has helped me the most is the "Sit and decompress" device - you can see it on amazon or the company…

We're dealing with the same issue in my house - its a tough problem because there's likely a lot of other social-emotional issues wrapped up in it and its hard to expect a young kid to understand the "why" or have the self awareness and control in the moment that a decision is made. We've slowly faded some of the most…

Alternatively, its not that you didn't count calories properly - its that the math of CICO and calorie counting is wrong. Calorie counting presumes that weight loss is a simple linear equation but your body is a complex and dynamic system. An NIH research found that based on large data sets of high quality clinical trials…

the topic of keto diets vs other approaches to weight loss tends to generate lots of passionate debate (which i'm over). There are lots of strategies to accomplish your goal of losing weight, the most important thing is finding what will work for you over the long haul (because it is a long haul). I personally have found…

Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood…

Some people find the constant eating (breakfast, mid-morning snack, lunch, mid-afternoon snack, dinner, dessert) to be more troubling than IF. Some people (particularly those with digestive issues) find giving your digestive track a chance to rest works better. Also, if you are interested in the effects of hormones on…

Don't make life too complicated - just skip breakfast. Make sure you get enough protein and fiber to feel full when you do eat.

And that's why i said its not definitive but its also not unfounded - there is credible cause for concern and continuing study but there is not sufficient weight of evidence for definitive conclusions.

Yes, mice and rats - that is how toxicology testing is done. it is one fundamental and important step in testing of consumer products and medicine and environmental pollutants and occupationally hazardous chemicals.

Nothing is definitive - but there are studies that suggest cause for concern and the need for further investigation. For example: "HFCS consumption with chow diet did not induce weight gain compared to water, chow-only controls but did induce glucose dysregulation and reduced evoked dopamine release in the dorsolateral…

Another way of saying this is: calorically equivalent is not the same thing as metabolically equivalent.

Another thought - you mentioned in a later post that your insulin levels had spiked while on keto - which is very unusual. Your weight gain and spiked insulin (4 to 11) might be related to another health condition like PCOS. You might want to talk with your healthcare provider about checking out other health issues since…

To get back to your original point - you have a major health condition (seizures) that keto is helping with (keto has a 100+ year history of use as a treatment for seizures). I'd prioritize overall health over a mild weight issue each and every time. Why don't you try dialing in keto so that you find a way to both control…

Definitely enjoy the vacation and eating carbs for a week. I've found that if i'm going to splurge on some carbs on vacation that doing things like continuing to IF helps (mostly just skipping breakfast). For me a plain old cup of good black coffee is plenty of get up and go for the day.

There's lots of research on how metabolism and circadian rhythms interact - here are just two. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3781773/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5142605/

Or perhaps read about a different take on it... The Carbohydrate-Insulin Model of Obesity: Beyond “Calories In, Calories Out” David S. Ludwig, MD, PhD1; Cara B. Ebbeling, PhD1 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2686146

Youve gotten a lot of good ansers on prioritizing the carb limit first. I think that if you are just getting started the most important thing to do is focus on the low carb side of the equation and not make yourself crazy about other macros. I think its more important to find things you enjoy eating that are low carb and…

One trick is to only eat vegetables with fat too. I saute my green beans, broccoli, zucchini etc in lots of olive oil, avocado oil, or butter (i also add a little garlic salt, red pepper flakes, and good quality Parmesan cheese). You can take fresh spinach and make a really good creamed spinach with heavy whipping cream.…

I like many of the recipes here: https://www.wholesomeyum.com/ https://www.ruled.me/keto-recipes/ https://www.skinnytaste.com/recipe-index/

I've watched most of the videos and read many of the articles in BMJ - there's a lot of good material there. Most people are not low carb or keto - but there are some folks representing that point of view there. I don;t think anybody changed sides - but its interesting to see how lots of reasonable and smart people can…

another vote for this not sounding like keto flu, especially after only 2 days - go see a doctor.

I focus on macros - emphasizing protein and fat and fiber (to the point that I significantly restrict carbs and am ketogenic) i find that the appetite control of a ketogenic diet is a major benefit. Here's a study ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25402637# ) "Very-low-energy diets (VLEDs) and ketogenic…

Have you looked at what you are eating and whether it helps you feel full (enough protein and fiber)? Its way easier to make good choices when you're not feeling hungry.

Thanks to everyone - i'm going to follow KimNY and step away from this thread too. i think we're talking past each other and its not productive for anyone.

This thread started because someone said they were surprised that there are people who dispute the CICO model. Myfitnesspal is a direct application of the CICO model. You can go into the settings and update your fitness profile and it will ask you the questions to estimate your BMR. It will ask you your weight loss goal…

I have not seen anybody explain to me how the CICO model accounts for metabolic adaptation - if you;ve got an answer I'd love to hear it. If i missed it in somebody's response - please show me where in this thread it is.