High Fructose Corn Syrup is Bad?
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You mean the corrupt food manufacturing companies who are making money off people by selling highly addictive foods? Food that's made in labs with people wearing white coats. Yeah I know most of the people on here can control themselves with these foods but there are millions of people who can't don't! These companies manufacture foods in such a way that it's irresistible and you can't stop eating. So sick of HFCS being put in everything. Yes it is bad for you. If you want to have it fine, but don't pretend it's good for you.
FIFY. It's called personal accountability.
Both of my parents have diabetes so I think I know what I'm talking about. I know it's personal accountability, but it is seriously soooo addictive for some people. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Do you think HFCS causes diabetes?3 -
You mean the corrupt food manufacturing companies who are making money off people by selling highly addictive foods? Food that's made in labs with people wearing white coats. Yeah I know most of the people on here can control themselves with these foods but there are millions of people who can't don't! These companies manufacture foods in such a way that it's irresistible and you can't stop eating. So sick of HFCS being put in everything. Yes it is bad for you. If you want to have it fine, but don't pretend it's good for you.
FIFY. It's called personal accountability.
Both of my parents have diabetes so I think I know what I'm talking about. I know it's personal accountability, but it is seriously soooo addictive for some people. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I'm honestly not sure why you think your parents' T2 diabetes is relevant.3 -
bostonjim23 wrote: »@AnvilHead i am not sure if your familiar with Boston though any place that serves popover's normal have a dipping sauce which has High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. I have also been to restaurants where they would serve pecan rolls prior to eating your meal.
I think you should've tagged me: I was the one quibbling about restaurant freebies, not AnvilHead. I've been in Boston many times (go there usually a couple of times a year, though I don't live there), have eaten in many restaurants of many types, but have never been served a free popover or pecan roll. I'm not saying they don't exist - like I said, don't live there, so you know better - but they're not ubiquitous.
Once in a blue moon, I suppose I've been served free cornbread in the South, with honey (38% fructose if actual honey, potentially more if fake honey). Pecan rolls, never. If you tell me where those come free before the meal, I'd cheerfully visit - good ones are really yummy, especially if they use plenty of real butter. Not all pecan rolls contain notable amounts of fructose, though: Some do, and certainly there's plenty of sucrose in most. Even Karo syrup is fructose-free these days.3 -
bostonjim23 wrote: »@AnvilHead i am not sure if your familiar with Boston though any place that serves popover's normal have a dipping sauce which has High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. I have also been to restaurants where they would serve pecan rolls prior to eating your meal.
I think you should've tagged me: I was the one quibbling about restaurant freebies, not AnvilHead. I've been in Boston many times (go there usually a couple of times a year, though I don't live there), have eaten in many restaurants of many types, but have never been served a free popover or pecan roll. I'm not saying they don't exist - like I said, don't live there, so you know better - but they're not ubiquitous.
Once in a blue moon, I suppose I've been served free cornbread in the South, with honey (38% fructose if actual honey, potentially more if fake honey). Pecan rolls, never. If you tell me where those come free before the meal, I'd cheerfully visit - good ones are really yummy, especially if they use plenty of real butter. Not all pecan rolls contain notable amounts of fructose, though: Some do, and certainly there's plenty of sucrose in most. Even Karo syrup is fructose-free these days.
I've eaten all across America and I would definitely remember being served a free pecan roll at the beginning of my meal. This has never happened to me and now I think a little bit less of every restaurant I've ever visited.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »bostonjim23 wrote: »@AnvilHead i am not sure if your familiar with Boston though any place that serves popover's normal have a dipping sauce which has High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. I have also been to restaurants where they would serve pecan rolls prior to eating your meal.
I think you should've tagged me: I was the one quibbling about restaurant freebies, not AnvilHead. I've been in Boston many times (go there usually a couple of times a year, though I don't live there), have eaten in many restaurants of many types, but have never been served a free popover or pecan roll. I'm not saying they don't exist - like I said, don't live there, so you know better - but they're not ubiquitous.
Once in a blue moon, I suppose I've been served free cornbread in the South, with honey (38% fructose if actual honey, potentially more if fake honey). Pecan rolls, never. If you tell me where those come free before the meal, I'd cheerfully visit - good ones are really yummy, especially if they use plenty of real butter. Not all pecan rolls contain notable amounts of fructose, though: Some do, and certainly there's plenty of sucrose in most. Even Karo syrup is fructose-free these days.
I've eaten all across America and I would definitely remember being served a free pecan roll at the beginning of my meal. This has never happened to me and now I think a little bit less of every restaurant I've ever visited.
I sense a brilliant marketing opportunity for some restaurant somewhere!4 -
Anyone else up for a road trip to find these free pecan rolls?10
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Someone is telling me that some panel of doctors have concluded that hfcs leads to weight gain because the body deposits something from the hfcs into the fat cells; and then the body can’t burn the fat cells up, or the body can’t ever get rid of the chemical or whatever it is that’s deposited. Sounds like a bunch of total hogwash to me, the same kind of stuff I’ve heard many times over by people who are just trying to make money off of their nonsense. I’m interested in hearing what anyone here knows about this topic.
It sounds like total hogwash because it is.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »bostonjim23 wrote: »@AnvilHead i am not sure if your familiar with Boston though any place that serves popover's normal have a dipping sauce which has High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. I have also been to restaurants where they would serve pecan rolls prior to eating your meal.
I think you should've tagged me: I was the one quibbling about restaurant freebies, not AnvilHead. I've been in Boston many times (go there usually a couple of times a year, though I don't live there), have eaten in many restaurants of many types, but have never been served a free popover or pecan roll. I'm not saying they don't exist - like I said, don't live there, so you know better - but they're not ubiquitous.
Once in a blue moon, I suppose I've been served free cornbread in the South, with honey (38% fructose if actual honey, potentially more if fake honey). Pecan rolls, never. If you tell me where those come free before the meal, I'd cheerfully visit - good ones are really yummy, especially if they use plenty of real butter. Not all pecan rolls contain notable amounts of fructose, though: Some do, and certainly there's plenty of sucrose in most. Even Karo syrup is fructose-free these days.
I've eaten all across America and I would definitely remember being served a free pecan roll at the beginning of my meal. This has never happened to me and now I think a little bit less of every restaurant I've ever visited.
I need these free pecan rolls in my life, high fructose corn syrup-laden or not. Please someone let us know where we can show up for these things because I have never in my life seen such a thing.
Granted, I live in Kansas. We're not known for our pecan rolls around here.5 -
You mean the corrupt food manufacturing companies who are making money off people by selling highly addictive foods? Food that's made in labs with people wearing white coats. Yeah I know most of the people on here can control themselves with these foods but there are millions of people who can't! These companies manufacture foods in such a way that it's irresistible and you can't stop eating. So sick of HFCS being put in everything. Yes it is bad for you. If you want to have it fine, but don't pretend it's good for you.
I suppose so long as you don't have to take responsibility for what you stick in your mouth.3 -
Nothing is definitive - but there are studies that suggest cause for concern and the need for further investigation. For example:
"HFCS consumption with chow diet did not induce weight gain compared to water, chow-only controls but did induce glucose dysregulation and reduced evoked dopamine release in the dorsolateral striatum. These data show that HFCS can contribute to metabolic disorder and altered dopamine function independent of weight gain and high-fat diets. " https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5747444/
"Our findings suggest that HFCS and SUC have differential effects on lipid metabolism: while sucrose promotes obesogenesis, HFCS primarily enhances inflammation and insulin resistance, and ghrelin confers protective effects for these metabolic dysfunctions." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28629187
"The effect of the 55% high-fructose corn syrup on the tested parameters of lipid metabolism was not equivalent to that of sucrose. Using HFCS-55 instead of sucrose has an adverse effect on blood lipid parameters, while weight gains and peri-organ fat deposits are comparable. Moreover, the obtained results confirm that tested animals were susceptible to the adverse effects of sugars added to their diet, even in small amounts. This emphasises the need to precisely control the amount of added sugars in the diet.' https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/287039634 -
Nothing is definitive - but there are studies that suggest cause for concern and the need for further investigation. For example:
"HFCS consumption with chow diet did not induce weight gain compared to water, chow-only controls but did induce glucose dysregulation and reduced evoked dopamine release in the dorsolateral striatum. These data show that HFCS can contribute to metabolic disorder and altered dopamine function independent of weight gain and high-fat diets. " https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5747444/
"Our findings suggest that HFCS and SUC have differential effects on lipid metabolism: while sucrose promotes obesogenesis, HFCS primarily enhances inflammation and insulin resistance, and ghrelin confers protective effects for these metabolic dysfunctions." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28629187
"The effect of the 55% high-fructose corn syrup on the tested parameters of lipid metabolism was not equivalent to that of sucrose. Using HFCS-55 instead of sucrose has an adverse effect on blood lipid parameters, while weight gains and peri-organ fat deposits are comparable. Moreover, the obtained results confirm that tested animals were susceptible to the adverse effects of sugars added to their diet, even in small amounts. This emphasises the need to precisely control the amount of added sugars in the diet.' https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28703963
Chow diet? Who on earth is eating chow?
Oh, mice.8 -
bostonjim23 wrote: »i am not sure of the science behind High Fructose though it is meant to make you eat more which is why in many restaurants they will give you something that includes that prior to serving your meal.
Or maybe it's just a cheap sweetener?6 -
Anyone else up for a road trip to find these free pecan rolls?
Sooooo in! (I love a good road trip.) Where are you? I'm in MI, maybe I can pick up @diannethegeek in Kansas on the way! Crucial question: Where are the free pecan rolls?
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bostonjim23 wrote: »i am not sure of the science behind High Fructose though it is meant to make you eat more which is why in many restaurants they will give you something that includes that prior to serving your meal.
Or maybe it's just a cheap sweetener?
Nah, couldn't be. Every story needs an evil villain lurking in the shadows.
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psychod787 wrote: »Someone is telling me that some panel of doctors have concluded that hfcs leads to weight gain because the body deposits something from the hfcs into the fat cells; and then the body can’t burn the fat cells up, or the body can’t ever get rid of the chemical or whatever it is that’s deposited. Sounds like a bunch of total hogwash to me, the same kind of stuff I’ve heard many times over by people who are just trying to make money off of their nonsense. I’m interested in hearing what anyone here knows about this topic.
I do know there is a correlation with high intake of hfcs and fatty liver, but it might have something to do with the lifestyles people who drinks lots of regular sodas live. Most are inactive and most generally have some type of metabolic syndrome. So whether its the hfcs or the other factors?
There is a high correlation of people who drink water and breathe oxygen and death.5 -
I hate HFCS. Why? Because it's put in foods that should not be sweet (in my opinion). I bought a jar of pickles. I didn't look at the label, thinking pickles are pickles. First ingredient: HFCS. Why? I search hard to find options without HFCS. And it is often hard; catsup, canned beans, dried fruit, whole grain bread, vinaigrette, granola. None of these are things that have any reason to be sweet. So, yeah, I end up making my own of many of the above items. But sometimes I don't have the time and I have to buy something. I'd rather use my calories eating an extra pickle instead of eating fewer, but sweeter, pickles.1
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diannethegeek wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »bostonjim23 wrote: »@AnvilHead i am not sure if your familiar with Boston though any place that serves popover's normal have a dipping sauce which has High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. I have also been to restaurants where they would serve pecan rolls prior to eating your meal.
I think you should've tagged me: I was the one quibbling about restaurant freebies, not AnvilHead. I've been in Boston many times (go there usually a couple of times a year, though I don't live there), have eaten in many restaurants of many types, but have never been served a free popover or pecan roll. I'm not saying they don't exist - like I said, don't live there, so you know better - but they're not ubiquitous.
Once in a blue moon, I suppose I've been served free cornbread in the South, with honey (38% fructose if actual honey, potentially more if fake honey). Pecan rolls, never. If you tell me where those come free before the meal, I'd cheerfully visit - good ones are really yummy, especially if they use plenty of real butter. Not all pecan rolls contain notable amounts of fructose, though: Some do, and certainly there's plenty of sucrose in most. Even Karo syrup is fructose-free these days.
I've eaten all across America and I would definitely remember being served a free pecan roll at the beginning of my meal. This has never happened to me and now I think a little bit less of every restaurant I've ever visited.
I need these free pecan rolls in my life, high fructose corn syrup-laden or not. Please someone let us know where we can show up for these things because I have never in my life seen such a thing.
Granted, I live in Kansas. We're not known for our pecan rolls around here.
I'm in Colorado, I can swing by and pick you up as we head east.1 -
Anecdotal. It's hyperpalatable (really tastes good) so that's why people like to eat it. There really isn't any "addictive" traits to it.You mean the corrupt food manufacturing companies who are making money off people by selling highly addictive foods? Food that's made in labs with people wearing white coats. Yeah I know most of the people on here can control themselves with these foods but there are millions of people who can't don't! These companies manufacture foods in such a way that it's irresistible and you can't stop eating. So sick of HFCS being put in everything. Yes it is bad for you. If you want to have it fine, but don't pretend it's good for you.
FIFY. It's called personal accountability.
Both of my parents have diabetes so I think I know what I'm talking about. I know it's personal accountability, but it is seriously soooo addictive for some people. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Can't we just avoid HFCS because it makes things taste like *kitten*?4
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FireOpalCO wrote: »Can't we just avoid HFCS because it makes things taste like *kitten*?
I think that's totally fair.
No one should have to eat things they don't like unless the absolutely need to eat them for some kind of medical reason.
As long as we can all acknowledge that it's personal preference and not because HFCS leaves some kind of weird sludge in your fat cells that your body can never get rid of.4 -
FireOpalCO wrote: »Can't we just avoid HFCS because it makes things taste like *kitten*?
Nope. You're either on the side of "All HFCS all the time because we don't care about our health", or "No HFCS ever because it's going to kill you". No preferences allowed.
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Anyone else up for a road trip to find these free pecan rolls?
Sooooo in! (I love a good road trip.) Where are you? I'm in MI, maybe I can pick up @diannethegeek in Kansas on the way! Crucial question: Where are the free pecan rolls?
heck I live like an hour from Georgia! Meet ya there!1 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Someone is telling me that some panel of doctors have concluded that hfcs leads to weight gain because the body deposits something from the hfcs into the fat cells; and then the body can’t burn the fat cells up, or the body can’t ever get rid of the chemical or whatever it is that’s deposited. Sounds like a bunch of total hogwash to me, the same kind of stuff I’ve heard many times over by people who are just trying to make money off of their nonsense. I’m interested in hearing what anyone here knows about this topic.
I do know there is a correlation with high intake of hfcs and fatty liver, but it might have something to do with the lifestyles people who drinks lots of regular sodas live. Most are inactive and most generally have some type of metabolic syndrome. So whether its the hfcs or the other factors?
There is a high correlation of people who drink water and breathe oxygen and death.
true.... just posting that correlation is not always causation. But thanks for clarifying....
<---- turning blue from holding breath.....1 -
psychod787 wrote: »Anyone else up for a road trip to find these free pecan rolls?
Sooooo in! (I love a good road trip.) Where are you? I'm in MI, maybe I can pick up @diannethegeek in Kansas on the way! Crucial question: Where are the free pecan rolls?
heck I live like an hour from Georgia! Meet ya there!
Crap, I'm on the other side of the country in CA. Although I'd spring for plane fare if some of the pecan rolls could be gf
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The thing that is "bad" about it is that it is a sneaky sugar that is in a lot of packaged food. When it gets in your body, it is a sugar. So if you are consuming a lot of things with high frucrose corn syrup, you are likely taking in a lot of sugar that you don't know about. Check out ketchup and BBQ sauce and sweet drinks. Because it got such a bad reputation, you'll even see products labelled as "no high frucrose corn syrup". You have to read your labels. But if you are aware of how much of it you are consuming and you take it into account, it's no worse than eating a food high in sugar.6
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Anyone else up for a road trip to find these free pecan rolls?
Sooooo in! (I love a good road trip.) Where are you? I'm in MI, maybe I can pick up @diannethegeek in Kansas on the way! Crucial question: Where are the free pecan rolls?
I'm happy to chip in for gas.
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elsie6hickman wrote: »The thing that is "bad" about it is that it is a sneaky sugar that is in a lot of packaged food. When it gets in your body, it is a sugar. So if you are consuming a lot of things with high frucrose corn syrup, you are likely taking in a lot of sugar that you don't know about. Check out ketchup and BBQ sauce and sweet drinks. Because it got such a bad reputation, you'll even see products labelled as "no high frucrose corn syrup". You have to read your labels. But if you are aware of how much of it you are consuming and you take it into account, it's no worse than eating a food high in sugar.
So read labels and moderate your sugar intake to manage calories and nutrition. Why do you assume HFCS would specifically be hidden in food and therefore must be specifically looked for? Sugar isn't "bad", unless it crowds out minimum nutrient requirements, puts you over your calories or you have a medical reason to track it.
HFCS has a bad reputation for marketing and diet woo reasons. Products are labelled as "no high fructose corn syrup" to be more attractive to customers who have fallen for the hype.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »\Chow diet? Who on earth is eating chow?
Oh, mice.
Yes, mice and rats - that is how toxicology testing is done. it is one fundamental and important step in testing of consumer products and medicine and environmental pollutants and occupationally hazardous chemicals.
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janejellyroll wrote: »\Chow diet? Who on earth is eating chow?
Oh, mice.
Yes, mice and rats - that is how toxicology testing is done. it is one fundamental and important step in testing of consumer products and medicine and environmental pollutants and occupationally hazardous chemicals.
Yes, rat studies are one of the steps in the process... the issue that most on this board take with mouse studies is that they have an overall rate of about 1/3 (something like 36%) of translating to the same results in humans.6 -
psychod787 wrote: »Anyone else up for a road trip to find these free pecan rolls?
Sooooo in! (I love a good road trip.) Where are you? I'm in MI, maybe I can pick up @diannethegeek in Kansas on the way! Crucial question: Where are the free pecan rolls?
heck I live like an hour from Georgia! Meet ya there!
Crap, I'm on the other side of the country in CA. Although I'd spring for plane fare if some of the pecan rolls could be gf
I'm also in CA. We'll start from here and pick up everyone else on the way 3
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