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High Fructose Corn Syrup is Bad?
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Motorsheen wrote: »serious question:
If there is so much doubt (and much of it negative in nature) about HFCS, why even eat it at all ?
It's a very affordable additive for so many products.... but 'So What?'. That benefits the companies that sell the products but might not necessarily benefit the end user.
There are much better options other than HFCS, right?
Why not just have those?
I don't understand why companies would put "toxinz" in their foods anyway. Killing off their customer base seems to be a bad long-term business plan.9 -
cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally.
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Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.1 -
Motorsheen wrote: »serious question:
If there is so much doubt (and much of it negative in nature) about HFCS, why even eat it at all ?
It's a very affordable additive for so many products.... but 'So What?'. That benefits the companies that sell the products but might not necessarily benefit the end user.
There are much better options other than HFCS, right?
Why not just have those?
Anyone eating a nutrient-dense overall diet, being active, maintaining a healthy body weight, hitting solid macro targets, eating plenty of varied & colorful veg/fruit - which is an excellent plan IMO - need not worry about Evil HFCS.
The other stuff (nutrition, activity, personal accountability) is supposedly hard, so some people blame HFCS (and so-called "evil" corporations that make so-called "addictive" "hyperpalatable" foods that contain it).
Just my opinion.3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
Mega LOLZ!
Might need some clothing en route, though. Some of us are shyer than others; some of us are cuter than others.
Remember: It's all about the journey. 0 -
cmriverside wrote: »That list of breads...
How many of us knew the #1 answer without even scrolling down?
Also, I bet we could get that bus to run on HFCS, right? It's gotta count as biodiesel.
I was secretly hoping for it to be #1. And there it was in all it's glory. I could seriously just eat those and skip the lobster. Sadly, living in a small place, I have not been able to experience all of the bready goodness. I'm surprised Famous Dave's corn bread muffins didn't make the list. I do not want to know the amount of butter and honey they contain. But again screw the BBQ I could just eat the muffins lol.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »serious question:
If there is so much doubt (and much of it negative in nature) about HFCS, why even eat it at all ?
It's a very affordable additive for so many products.... but 'So What?'. That benefits the companies that sell the products but might not necessarily benefit the end user.
There are much better options other than HFCS, right?
Why not just have those?
I don't understand why companies would put "toxinz" in their foods anyway. Killing off their customer base seems to be a bad long-term business plan.
Because it's a very cheap additive and adds to company profits.
There's a good chance that, by itself, HFCS won't kill anyone, however maybe it's just part of a bigger, nutritional problem.
The profits generated today might not kill anyone, if not today, maybe not even in the next few years.
That being said..... Profit Uber Alles.4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
Mega LOLZ!
Might need some clothing en route, though. Some of us are shyer than others; some of us are cuter than others.
Remember: It's all about the journey.
Just adds to the phrase "taking the scenic route." :laugh:3 -
Motorsheen wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »serious question:
If there is so much doubt (and much of it negative in nature) about HFCS, why even eat it at all ?
It's a very affordable additive for so many products.... but 'So What?'. That benefits the companies that sell the products but might not necessarily benefit the end user.
There are much better options other than HFCS, right?
Why not just have those?
I don't understand why companies would put "toxinz" in their foods anyway. Killing off their customer base seems to be a bad long-term business plan.
Because it's a very cheap additive and adds to company profits.
There's a good chance that, by itself, HFCS won't kill anyone, however maybe it's just part of a bigger, nutritional problem.
The profits generated today might not kill anyone, if not today, maybe not even in the next few years.
That being said..... Profit Uber Alles.
Profit is good. (Truth in advertising: I say that as a retiree dependent on my earned/saved IRA $$$ to live).
Lack of personal responsibility kills. Without it (and a bundle of privilege/luck, I admit) I wouldn't have those IRA $$$.
Lack of personal responsibility isn't the only thing that kills, but it's one, for sure. In the realm of first-world non-poverty eating & activity level, it's the most significant individually controllable thing that kills, IMO.2 -
What is wrong with inexpensive food?3
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Motorsheen wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »serious question:
If there is so much doubt (and much of it negative in nature) about HFCS, why even eat it at all ?
It's a very affordable additive for so many products.... but 'So What?'. That benefits the companies that sell the products but might not necessarily benefit the end user.
There are much better options other than HFCS, right?
Why not just have those?
I don't understand why companies would put "toxinz" in their foods anyway. Killing off their customer base seems to be a bad long-term business plan.
Because it's a very cheap additive and adds to company profits.
There's a good chance that, by itself, HFCS won't kill anyone, however maybe it's just part of a bigger, nutritional problem.
The profits generated today might not kill anyone, if not today, maybe not even in the next few years.
That being said..... Profit Uber Alles.
Profit is good. (Truth in advertising: I say that as a retiree dependent on my earned/saved IRA $$$ to live).
Lack of personal responsibility kills. Without it (and a bundle of privilege/luck, I admit) I wouldn't have those IRA $$$.
Lack of personal responsibility isn't the only thing that kills, but it's one, for sure. In the realm of first-world non-poverty eating & activity level, it's the most significant individually controllable thing that kills, IMO.
Of course profit is good.
Should HFCS be legal? Sure.
Will I eat it when there are better options? Nope.
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Motorsheen wrote: »here's some insight from the NIH; draw your own conclusions:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3522469/
Thanks for that. From this study it appears to me that HFCS can lead to weight gain because it does nothing for satiety as it can interfere with the production of leptin. This can easily result in overeating if you are not mindful of consumed calories, well in mice anyway.
Have I read this correctly? If so, those pecan rolls are simply marvellous as part of a controlled, balanced diet.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
So what I'm getting from this is that we're going to hell in a handbasket.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
So what I'm getting from this is that we're going to hell in a handbasket.
I think that bus went long ago..........2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
So what I'm getting from this is that we're going to hell in a handbasket.
Not everyone, but I have a group rounded up already. You're welcome to join us, if that is the direction you're heading.3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
So what I'm getting from this is that we're going to hell in a handbasket.
Not everyone, but I have a group rounded up already. You're welcome to join us, if that is the direction you're heading.
I've lost track of where the pecan rolls are.1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
So what I'm getting from this is that we're going to hell in a handbasket.
Not everyone, but I have a group rounded up already. You're welcome to join us, if that is the direction you're heading.
I've lost track of where the pecan rolls are.
That's a different bus. I was just going to steal some of the travel ideas for the handbasket bus.1 -
Motorsheen wrote: »
Ha! Big Farma has you fooled too!5 -
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Does inexpensive necessarily mean unhealthy? Take the potato for instance.2
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nutmegoreo wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So.
Pecan rolls. Are we talking about this:
or this:
(and I probably answered my own question, but Pecan Log roll is where my mind went. It's like Divinity wrapped in Excellence. )
The top one. But the bus can pick up some of the pecan logs for the road.
(Don't worry: Yoga 7A, Zumba 11A, Karate lessons 1P, mountain trail scramble 3P, boulder lift/toss 5P, line/square/contra/country-swing dancing 7P. All activities available but optional; participants may organize other options. We'll hook up a bike/canoe/SUP/kayak/rowing shell trailer to the bus, and stow weights/racks/benches/kettlebells/rowing machine/elliptical in the underbus luggage area with your suitcases. One large roll-y bag, one standard carry-on, one personal item (day pack/briefcase/purse/small tote) per person, please, to allow room for shared exercise equipment. Volunteer musicians for dancing may add instrument (no grand/upright pianos, please; max of 2 upright bass). Regular stops at laundromats for washing workout/dance clothes . . . and for pecan rolls, naturally. )
Hmmm... I may have to revisit our current handbasket plan. As it is we were all going to squeeze in there is as much cake as we could fit. Although, given our destination, I feel like we could reduce luggage, I hear it's hot enough that clothing would not likely be needed.
So what I'm getting from this is that we're going to hell in a handbasket.
A large one taking the scenic route, yes.3 -
Motorsheen wrote: »
Ha! Big Farma has you fooled too!
@Sloth2016
It's spelled "Big Phama" and I actually have worked in the industry.
......and yes, they make a lot of money.
They also invest a lot into research and help millions of people lead longer and more productive lives.2 -
Does inexpensive necessarily mean unhealthy? Take the potato for instance.
Of course not.
But the converse isn't true either.
Here is one more clinical paper on HFCS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5532307/0 -
Motorsheen wrote: »Does inexpensive necessarily mean unhealthy? Take the potato for instance.
Of course not.
But the converse isn't true either.
Here is one more clinical paper on HFCS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5532307/Motorsheen wrote: »Does inexpensive necessarily mean unhealthy? Take the potato for instance.
Of course not.
But the converse isn't true either.
Here is one more clinical paper on HFCS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5532307/
I thought it was a known fact hfcs was unhealthy for us...which is why most food companies started eliminating it from their food products years ago?6 -
Motorsheen wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »
Ha! Big Farma has you fooled too!
@Sloth2016
It's spelled "Big Phama" and I actually have worked in the industry.
......and yes, they make a lot of money.
They also invest a lot into research and help millions of people lead longer and more productive lives.
I could be wrong, but I figured he was using Farma to refer to those fruit and vegetable farmers, not pharmaceutical companies.WeAreTheWeirdo wrote: »It cracks me up this may have been moved here because chit chatters are perhaps high-fructose syrup-drugged debauchery-filled wastlings-in-denial. (Not really...but that often fits me)
Next should be "eat less food".
Oh yes. That could go on for 28 riveting pages of academic condescension and comparisons between rodent and human study citations. And maybe they'll even say N = 1 because that's the ballz. And of course they'll insert the phrase high nutrient density into the discussion. Because all normal people talk like that in day to day conversation. I can't wait.
And I thought we were getting along fabulously these last few weeks.
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mustacheU2Lift wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »Does inexpensive necessarily mean unhealthy? Take the potato for instance.
Of course not.
But the converse isn't true either.
Here is one more clinical paper on HFCS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5532307/Motorsheen wrote: »Does inexpensive necessarily mean unhealthy? Take the potato for instance.
Of course not.
But the converse isn't true either.
Here is one more clinical paper on HFCS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5532307/
I thought it was a known fact hfcs was unhealthy for us...which is why most food companies started eliminating it from their food products years ago?
I don't know if that's true or not.
Thing is, I made up my mind about HFCS years ago. When shopping, if HFCS is on a product label, that product doesn't go home with me.
I'm sure I get enough of the stuff, by my own negligence, when having a meal outside of the home.
IMHO ~ the refute the ill effects of HFCS is the apotheosis of denial.2 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »
Ha! Big Farma has you fooled too!
@Sloth2016
It's spelled "Big Phama" and I actually have worked in the industry.
......and yes, they make a lot of money.
They also invest a lot into research and help millions of people lead longer and more productive lives.
I could be wrong, but I figured he was using Farma to refer to those fruit and vegetable farmers, not pharmaceutical companies.WeAreTheWeirdo wrote: »It cracks me up this may have been moved here because chit chatters are perhaps high-fructose syrup-drugged debauchery-filled wastlings-in-denial. (Not really...but that often fits me)
Next should be "eat less food".
Oh yes. That could go on for 28 riveting pages of academic condescension and comparisons between rodent and human study citations. And maybe they'll even say N = 1 because that's the ballz. And of course they'll insert the phrase high nutrient density into the discussion. Because all normal people talk like that in day to day conversation. I can't wait.
And I thought we were getting along fabulously these last few weeks.
Oh okay, my mistake. (the perils of posting on just one cup of coffee.)
Yeah, alright..... I'm not sure how Big Farming misleads us.
Thinking out loud here.... maybe all of the grain fed beef and hormones and additives?
If that's the point, then it's a difficult one to argue, right?
The truth is, I don't like big anything... big government, big business, big religion, big Pharma, big labor organizations (the only exception is a relatively large national defense).
problem is, we live in a big nation and a big world, so a lot of this is inevitable.
ramble / rant over; thanks for listening.2 -
Motorsheen wrote: »Motorsheen wrote: »
Ha! Big Farma has you fooled too!
@Sloth2016
It's spelled "Big Phama" and I actually have worked in the industry.
......and yes, they make a lot of money.
They also invest a lot into research and help millions of people lead longer and more productive lives.
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