I will never mention Low Carb or no sugar again on the discussion board WOW
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Funny!!!
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Then how come I would gain weight so easily eating high fiber, low fat?0
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yea.. I don't go there.. I know it worked with me.0
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I ignore them the same way they ignore science... all calories are not equal.
Do you think they really ignore science or just want to be a pain in the butt? I really do not see how someone can ignore the new research that has come out over the last 20 years on this subject but when dieting becomes like a religion I guess logic can go flying out of the brain.
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I think there are some definate trolls over there. I also know that until low carb/cutting or reducing sugar becomes a more accepted weight loss/heath indicators strategy that most people will still consider it a bit of a nutty idea. I didn't try dabbling with my carbs macro until I read the 4 hour body book by Tim Ferriss. I was just prepared to accept that the recommended food pyramid must be the healthy way to lose weight. At the start of his book he says "If you want to sit on the sidelines and play full-time sceptic, suspending action until a scientific consensus is reached, that's your choice. Just realise the science is alas, often as political as a dinner party with die-hard Republicans and Democrats. Consensus comes late at best. Don't use scepticism as a thinly veiled excuse for inaction or remaining in your comfort zone. Be sceptical, but for the right reason: because you're looking for the most promising option to test in real life"
This really spoke to me at the time - because what I had been trying (calorie counting and lots of so called healthy carbs) just wasn't working for me. I had to try something different. I work as a medical writer and the more I actually dug into the science of low carb eating (and more recently drastically reducing sugar) I realised how out of date the current guidance is. I can see where some people are coming from with mocking what we are doing - I remember about 12 years ago or so, a colleague announced that she was going to do Atkins. After smiling and wishing her good luck, after she left my desk, a colleague and I spent a good amount of time bitching what a crazy way to lose weight that was and it couldn't possibly be safe. We took our standpoint from accepted medical guidelines rather than any research we might have actually done. After all, we were both medical writers and science graduates so we must know what is right? Ha, we live and learn.
That was a bit rambly - and doesn't excuse the vitriol that some of the people on the main boards use to express their viewpoint though.0 -
I read through a thread the other day where someone was asking for help because they were starving all the time. The main gist of all the advice was to suck it up. I mean, seriously? Hunger isn't something one can ignore permanently. I eat keto because I am able to eat well and not starve myself. I can't imagine being able to stay motivated if I thought I just had to be hungry forever. No thank you.
Plus cutting out sugar has totally eliminated my migraines. So that is worth it right there.
There seems to be a lot of self hate actually. It makes me sad because there's no way being hungry forever is a successful long term weight loss strategy.
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spunkyabroad wrote: »I read through a thread the other day where someone was asking for help because they were starving all the time. The main gist of all the advice was to suck it up. I mean, seriously? Hunger isn't something one can ignore permanently. I eat keto because I am able to eat well and not starve myself. I can't imagine being able to stay motivated if I thought I just had to be hungry forever. No thank you.
Plus cutting out sugar has totally eliminated my migraines. So that is worth it right there.
There seems to be a lot of self hate actually. It makes me sad because there's no way being hungry forever is a successful long term weight loss strategy.
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Exactly!
Also, I'm right there with you on the sugar and migraines thing! Best thing ever for me. Even too much starch will do it for me.
I'd much rather do this "nutty fad diet" and have no migraines without medication than follow the conventional guidelines and be on two or three or four different meds for headaches and other issues.
I also much prefer not feeling like I want to gnaw my arm off every night, too. Been there, done that. Wasn't fun. The sad part is that the idea that you "should" be hungry when on a diet and that if you can't deal with it, it's a failing on your part, is so ingrained that many people don't realize that there are better ways, and when someone suggests one such better way, it gets mocked into the ground, and people fall prey to the fallacy of consensus ("all these other people don't agree with that way, so it must not be what that one or two people are claiming it is").0 -
I've dealt with migraines my entire adult life. Total suckage. I'd rather go through labor and delivery with no pain meds again than have migraines. So cutting out sugar and carbs is totally doable for me. Being hungry for the rest of my life just isn't realistic. If you ask me, expecting that a human can ignore hunger signals indefinitely is nutty. Avoiding foods that make me feel like crap is simple logic, not a nutty fad diet. But I'm preaching to the choir.
Anyway, yay for us not having migraines!
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dawlfin318 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Meg as you can read we all have had the same experience over there. I still reply to serious posts by people about sugar and try to not see posts from those just wanting to fight.
Until I stopped sugar I was hungry even when gaining 2 pounds every week.
This freedom to eat and not go hungry and still lose weight and lose a ton of pain just boggles my mind.
Dawlfin318 that is good you are being watched. How is your Vitamin D3 levels. Being low can impact sleep I read and if taking any D3 to do it in the morning because if taken at bedtime it can impact sleep as well. There is a lot of good stuff that can be Googled. I am watching a lot of medical convention speakers on Youtube as well.
My sister and I run low normal(28-30) even with supplementing vit D. In the winter I take 5000mg a day. We live in the northeast.I do better since taking it( and I only take it in the am) but thanks so much for the tip! ;-) I will try anything that could help. I have so much more energy it is a bit crazy! My house is much cleaner now, lol .
I love not being hungry and being easily able to say no to sugar!!! Birthday cake even my much loved chocolate chip cookie dough. Amazing how easy it is to say no and not feel deprived. I make my own dark chocolate and crack off a small piece when I feel jealous of what my family is eating.
If you have any other tips for sleep let me know. I tried melatonin 3mg, and it did nothing.
If I could just sleep this diet would be perfect.
-Andrea
Andrea - L-Theanine is another night time supplement that really helped me sleep (I was on ambien for a while, which was just BAD!). Inositol (B8) really helps, too.... The L-Theanine can be expensive, but there is also a blend out there with melatonin, L-theanine, and a third one I can't remember...but I've heard good things. Melatonin doesn't do anything for me, either! Good luck.0 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »dawlfin318 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Meg as you can read we all have had the same experience over there. I still reply to serious posts by people about sugar and try to not see posts from those just wanting to fight.
Until I stopped sugar I was hungry even when gaining 2 pounds every week.
This freedom to eat and not go hungry and still lose weight and lose a ton of pain just boggles my mind.
Dawlfin318 that is good you are being watched. How is your Vitamin D3 levels. Being low can impact sleep I read and if taking any D3 to do it in the morning because if taken at bedtime it can impact sleep as well. There is a lot of good stuff that can be Googled. I am watching a lot of medical convention speakers on Youtube as well.
My sister and I run low normal(28-30) even with supplementing vit D. In the winter I take 5000mg a day. We live in the northeast.I do better since taking it( and I only take it in the am) but thanks so much for the tip! ;-) I will try anything that could help. I have so much more energy it is a bit crazy! My house is much cleaner now, lol .
I love not being hungry and being easily able to say no to sugar!!! Birthday cake even my much loved chocolate chip cookie dough. Amazing how easy it is to say no and not feel deprived. I make my own dark chocolate and crack off a small piece when I feel jealous of what my family is eating.
If you have any other tips for sleep let me know. I tried melatonin 3mg, and it did nothing.
If I could just sleep this diet would be perfect.
-Andrea
Andrea - L-Theanine is another night time supplement that really helped me sleep (I was on ambien for a while, which was just BAD!). Inositol (B8) really helps, too.... The L-Theanine can be expensive, but there is also a blend out there with melatonin, L-theanine, and a third one I can't remember...but I've heard good things. Melatonin doesn't do anything for me, either! Good luck.
Thanks so much! I will try it.
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Well, I am new here and I feel a huge sense of relief. I thought I was alone in getting pummeled by the main forum. Still don't understand why so nasty. I even got bold print caps thrown at me! Ha! I am glad I didn't quit mfp, and found people who say if it works for you then keep going. Out there it is more like" if it works for you, then you are killing yourself and how dare you be happy or feel good..." Constructive criticism - all for it. Calling me an idiot or being nasty- no thank you0
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I don't know why people can't keep their opinions to themselves and respect/stop judging other peoples eating plans. If it works for them, that's all that matters!0
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heyhey2015 wrote: »Well, I am new here and I feel a huge sense of relief. I thought I was alone in getting pummeled by the main forum. Still don't understand why so nasty. I even got bold print caps thrown at me! Ha! I am glad I didn't quit mfp, and found people who say if it works for you then keep going. Out there it is more like" if it works for you, then you are killing yourself and how dare you be happy or feel good..." Constructive criticism - all for it. Calling me an idiot or being nasty- no thank you
I do not know why they do it but I guess they do it to try and run off new members from "their" play ground. They still are saying I stole my own identity.
It may be because I just ignore them but it seems the abuse has slowed down because there are some major threads on low carb eating lifestyle on the main forum that permits new members to learn about this and other sub groups.
By the way welcome to MFP.
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Thank you. That is a weird dynamic out there. Thank goodness I found a group that is supportive of each other. Feel like I just found the safe house,whew!!!! Haha.0
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I went to the main forum, which I usually avoid. What I was so curious about is I did not see a link to this group? How did I find this group? How did you all find this group? I guess I am having a super senior moment.0
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shadesofidaho wrote: »I went to the main forum, which I usually avoid. What I was so curious about is I did not see a link to this group? How did I find this group? How did you all find this group? I guess I am having a super senior moment.
The link to this group gets posted in threads on the main forum from time to time and I clicked on that to get here I think.
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I am not a doctor, a scientist or a nutritionist. Here is what i know:
at the beginning of the year i switch up my eating, so that i am consuming many many fewer carbs, but actually slightly more calories. In the 30 days since i made that change i have lost more weight than i lost in September, October, November and December put together, even though i was eating slightly fewer calories during those months. in addition, both my mood and my energy level are more stable.
I dont tell strangers how to treat their bodies. But i also dont listen to unsolicited advice about how i should treat mine.
My mother always says "you dont have to know very much as long as you know who to listen to and who to trust." the corollary, of course, is that you also have to know who to ignore.0 -
It seems to me that the people who are getting away with eating a lot of carbs in the form of processed food and refined sugar are young, for the most part active (ie running it off quickly, as I did when younger) and not dealing with any serious medical issues. This would seem to point to the fact that you can eat a high carb (and I mean unhealthy carbs) diet and still be healthy. The problem is that it hasn't caught up with them yet in the form of cancer, diabetes, insulin issues, etc. and I'm afraid it most certainly will. I know lots of people in their seventies who for the most part appear healthy but who have indulged in unhealthy carbs most of their lives and who are dying of cancer. I personally have tried the ole calories are calories approach and it didn't work for me. The health benefits of low carb (less migraines, less rashes, less bloating and hopefully weight loss) are enough for me. If we eat too much "nonfood" it will eventually catch up with us in one form or another.0
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Well as much as I prefer the high carbers to stay away. Shouldn't there be a link to this group for those people new to low carbing so they can get help with out all the flack from the other forums?GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »I went to the main forum, which I usually avoid. What I was so curious about is I did not see a link to this group? How did I find this group? How did you all find this group? I guess I am having a super senior moment.
The link to this group gets posted in threads on the main forum from time to time and I clicked on that to get here I think.
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That's how I found it too....I searched LCHF and found it in the middle of a thread. I searched a little, but wasn't too tough, on the other hand it could have been easier...lol.
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I do low carb too to keep my cravings in check. Bread and pasta and sweets will have me in an endless eating loop.0
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P.S. I could use a few low carber friends for support.
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Everyone on the main boards are sugar addicts who want to have their cake (literally) and eat it too. As long as their cake pr pie or ice cream fits into their daily calories they justify it.0
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To the carbagers it seems impossible to be able to give it up. It might be a little more work in the beginning to learn a new way of eating. A bit more effort to not starve yourself. But like every other addiction once past the big craving it is not that much of a problem. I have even eaten out several times and stayed low carb. I get yucky looks when I take a bun off a burger and slather a heap of mayo on the cheese. OH well. We have a few places kind of locally,10 and 20 miles away, that still make home made burgers not the mystery meat patties.0
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The folks on the main boards have very particular opinions. Or rather, one opinion. They firmly believe in CICO, and that counting is the ONLY thing to consider.
And, they work to try to educate people with what THEY believe is reality. A couple of things that particularly irk them are "demonizing foods" (as they see it) and things like "detoxes". It just sets them off.
They don't often talk about nutrition, as they see all foods as being "good" as long as they are tasty.
That said, many of them are very well read. They just choose not to believe many of the things low carbers believe, low glycemic folks believe, nutritarians believe... they believe in eating the way they've always eaten (Standard American SAD Diet) and counting calories.
It's not a huge surprise, it's a calorie counting website. It's why I suggested you join a low carb group. Educating them on what you believe is not worth the time most of the time.
But now you're here. Theres also a sugar group if that interests you: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/9637-the-skinny-on-obesity0 -
I try to go on and find LC threads and post the link. I'm afraid to make a post just for this purpose, should the Shirtless Mafia dogpile upon it and make me angry. It's better for everyone if I can keep my tongue in check.0
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Oh I posted yesterday to a hungry one just to annoy them. They ignored me. I should have posted the link DARN.0
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I started MFP earlier this month because I got tired of having to use 3 different pages to track net carbs on sparkpeople. I also used to moderate a chat room that would frequently be overrun with anti-social 14-18 year olds. I find a lot of similarities between the main forums and that chat room
I'm not backing down from them, and I think I've worked out a shortlist of who the worst of the trolls are. One was so obvious about it, I recognized him by sight my first day. I do think some of them have the huge misconception that your acct date on MFP equates to your entire weight loss process, meaning if you've been here for one month, you just learned to spell the word "diet" one month ago, and have never watched tv or read a book in your entire life prior. If their acct is older than yours, then obviously, they're smarter than you. I'll admit, I'm having fun shattering that illusion for them, and as someone else mentioned, a lot of them are just too young and naive to understand that there's more to how healthy you are beyond scale numbers and having the swolest profile pic in the thread.
I do wonder what their cholesterol and 1A6 is going to look like in 20 years.0 -
You just have to do what works for you! I love eating low carb and no sugar. It was tough for the first 10 days (keto flu), but great now! No more cravings for the first time ever in my life. I am insulin resistant/PCOS and this is the only "diet" that leaves me with satiety. I don't feel deprived like I do with typical calorie restricted diets. I don't have to eat every two hours to avoid feeling cranky/low blood sugar.0
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"Let Them Eat Cake."!!!!!!0
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