Keto Sub Groups
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Wow! Great work.
IMO-I don't think you should add "diabetic" in the last category as it is a "condition" not necessarily your WOE. Your chosen WOE seems to be helping regulate the condition. And to clarify, that means I also wouldn't include the last two, the Low FODMAP Diet and PCOS. Those are attributed to conditions and that's a slippery slope. Then someone is going to want epilepsy in there (the original condition the keto diet was studied for), and asthma and migraines and CFS & FM, all conditions that are indeed helped by a specific WOE. Just my 2 cents.
Very conscise.
What are you going to do with all this information? Are you doing this just... for fun?
Are you keeping it all on your blog?0 -
I am plain old keto. Almost always below 20 net but damn sugar alcohols keep me higher than 20 total. Evil creatures. I am also sometimes wishy-washy keto.
I'd like to be carnivore keto but I like veggies and quest bars and protein powder too much.0 -
Keto (Nutritional Ketosis)
This group consumes between 0 to 50 grams of carbs a day. Food types are broad, with few exceptions, as long as they meet their daily macro goals. The standard macro is: 5% carbs, 20% protein, 75% fat. The goal of the group is to be “Ketogenic Adapted”. Generally speaking, most people have to stay under 25 grams a day to reach this goal. They use devices such as a Ketonix or ketones meter to confirm they are in Ketosis and stay in Ketosis consistently.
I don't agree that most people need to be under 25 g carbs/day to be in nutritional ketosis. Phinney and Volek are pretty clear that for most people it is 50 g carbs/day or fewer. Remember, most people are not metabolically deranged like many of us here are. You might clarify this somehow. 0 -
Keto (Nutritional Ketosis)
This group consumes between 0 to 50 grams of carbs a day. Food types are broad, with few exceptions, as long as they meet their daily macro goals. The standard macro is: 5% carbs, 20% protein, 75% fat. The goal of the group is to be “Ketogenic Adapted”. Generally speaking, most people have to stay under 25 grams a day to reach this goal. They use devices such as a Ketonix or ketones meter to confirm they are in Ketosis and stay in Ketosis consistently.
metabolically deranged
HAHA made me spit my water, never heard this before but it is an apt description.
And I'd be Keto/Primal/Cardio/PCOS
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On paleo, looking at Loren Cordain's sites, it looks like he's gone agnostic in regard to saturated fat.
Loren Cordain's site: http://thepaleodiet.com/whats-the-verdict-on-saturated-fatty-acids/
"Saturated fat should be consumed in moderation."
I can't find any straight up statements on Robb Wolf's site.
I think paleo just doesn't EMPHASIZE the saturated fats the way primal does.
I'd be Primal/Keto/Sedentary-ish.0 -
Wow! Great work.
IMO-I don't think you should add "diabetic" in the last category as it is a "condition" not necessarily your WOE. Your chosen WOE seems to be helping regulate the condition. And to clarify, that means I also wouldn't include the last two, the Low FODMAP Diet and PCOS. Those are attributed to conditions and that's a slippery slope. Then someone is going to want epilepsy in there (the original condition the keto diet was studied for), and asthma and migraines and CFS & FM, all conditions that are indeed helped by a specific WOE. Just my 2 cents.
Very conscise.
What are you going to do with all this information? Are you doing this just... for fun?
Are you keeping it all on your blog?
The purpose is for discussion. If a person states I am a "Blah-blah-blah", then everyone will know who they're talking to. Since people don't state this, a lot of people reply to them mistakenly. But, if you say what you are, then you can understand where they are coming from.
As far as all the many groups, maybe limit to the biggies. I don't know what CFS & FM are. I do know the Epilepsy position. I would want to add that.
I will split the "Conditions" out.
I need a better description for PCOS. DragonWolf?
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
First Do No Harm, A video that shows how the Ketogenic diet cures epilepsy. Meryl Streep.
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primal/keto/i.f. (rarely but i do)
the exercise categories are mushy for me. i mainly do walking for cardio, and kettlebells and bodyweight for strength. i don't like long duration cardio that is also intense - it's one or thw other for me (slow low intensity, or short high intensity - but that is always primarily focused on strength & functional movement).
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not intending to derail the thread again, but do any of you offal lovers have any suggestions as to what to do with pork heart and liver? if i had a grinder i would just make sausage, but i don't.
i posted over in the paleo/primal forum but didn't get any replies.0 -
sorry - pork heart and tongue, i mean.0
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Everyone seems to be defining their terms -- which is nice because there's such a wide variety of ways to low carb. Diet Doctor just made a post today with his three categories for LCHF:
SourceHere’s my view on different levels of LCHF:
Strict LCHF <20 gram carbs per day
Moderate LCHF 20-50 grams per day
Liberal LCHF 50-100 grams per day
I'd fall under the generic Keto or Moderate LCHF. My carbs are often low enough for me to be in ketosis but that's not my main focus; I'm happy to eat as many carbs as I possibly can and still have a normal appetite.0 -
Not sure where the idea came from that you need to be under 25g carb to be ketogenic. Experts (e.g., Phinney and Volek) say 50-100g, right?0
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octobubbles wrote: »Interesting article. Three reasons why zero carb is easier than low carb
myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/2015/02/three-reasons-zero-carb-easier-low-carb/
I think Kelly's story is great and I have read several of her blog posts. She did in fact lose 120 lbs. on low carb, but then moved to zero carb in maintenance. I may end up like her. I'm not ready to do zero carb mentally yet, but I think it is a great WOE.
Thanks for posting that link, Moonius!
@octobubbles : You are welcome! Glad to help!0 -
Not sure where the idea came from that you need to be under 25g carb to be ketogenic. Experts (e.g., Phinney and Volek) say 50-100g, right?
Once adapted, a person can determine their upper limit. But since carb counts can be inaccurate and individual physiologies differ, the <25 rec is a pretty good rule of thumb for new folks.0 -
The purpose is for discussion. If a person states I am a "Blah-blah-blah", then everyone will know who they're talking to. Since people don't state this, a lot of people reply to them mistakenly. But, if you say what you are, then you can understand where they are coming from.
As far as all the many groups, maybe limit to the biggies. I don't know what CFS & FM are. I do know the Epilepsy position. I would want to add that.
I will split the "Conditions" out.
Dan the Man from Michigan
First Do No Harm, A video that shows how the Ketogenic diet cures epilepsy. Meryl Streep.
Ah! Well in that case, sure, you'd need to add diabetes and epilepsy
Celiac? That's a big one these days.
CFS=Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
FM=Fibromyalgia
But I don't think we need to list everything in that category, like you say, the big ones. People can easily add any condition to the end that they are experiencing. IMO. 0 -
The purpose is for discussion. If a person states I am a "Blah-blah-blah", then everyone will know who they're talking to. Since people don't state this, a lot of people reply to them mistakenly. But, if you say what you are, then you can understand where they are coming from.
As far as all the many groups, maybe limit to the biggies. I don't know what CFS & FM are. I do know the Epilepsy position. I would want to add that.
I will split the "Conditions" out.
Dan the Man from Michigan
First Do No Harm, A video that shows how the Ketogenic diet cures epilepsy. Meryl Streep.
Ah! Well in that case, sure, you'd need to add diabetes and epilepsy Celiac? That's a big one these days.
CFS=Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
FM=Fibromyalgia
But I don't think we need to list everything in that category, like you say, the big ones. People can easily add any condition to the end that they are experiencing. IMO.
Yes, that is true, but I think I'll take it even further, I think those conditions that are helped greatly by a LCHF/Keto diet should be included.
Do you know anything about FM? I have a woman friend (my age) that used to be normal sized about 8 years ago and now is about 50 lbs overweight. We go after church in a group and she is constantly telling me about all these things she can't eat or she has problems. According to her, its ok if she any kind of sweet/starchy carbs/candy.
So, a couple months ago, I Googled FM + Keto. I spent 2-3 hours reading stuff. One thing came out clearly (at least at the sites I looked at) was that it was "inconclusive" that the Keto diet actually helped. Some people said it did and many others said it didn't. So I didn't bother telling her about it. I told her husband. I think he is part of the problem, he "enables" her to eat all the sugary stuff.
Maybe I'll start this as a new topic... (don't reply here.)
Dan the Man from Michigan
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